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Closing out Ch.9, Paul says that Israel, as a whole, were so self righteous, like the Jew in ch. 2 was so sinful and self righteous, that, they would not trust in JESUS alone for the righteousness of God; BUT the "elect" Gentiles did trust in Jesus alone for justification. the non "elect" Jews, would not submit to Jesus for sal., They wanted to earn sal,, They were offended with a crucified Savior. Love Hoffco
Thank you, and pray for me and you, for us both to be in truth, trusting Father, Son and Holy Ghost to lead us as Christ was led here on earth
I personally do not think water Baptism saves, I think water Baptism is a good conscience to Father for Christ in thanksgiving and praise, for it is Father that does the Spirit Baptism, such as when Peter preached, the Holy Spirit fell upon them before any water Baptism, even though they got water Baptized afterwards, in appreciation, for they were already born again by Father thanks to Son's perfect finished work for us all to put Faith in
Do you belief this too or are you Dogmatic as Saul was, before he became Paul
No water Baptism, no saved, and if this is it, how did the gentile then get saved before water Baptism?
I personally do not think water Baptism saves, I think water Baptism is a good conscience to Father for Christ in thanksgiving and praise, for it is Father that does the Spirit Baptism, such as when Peter preached, the Holy Spirit fell upon them before any water Baptism, even though they got water Baptized afterwards, in appreciation, for they were already born again by Father thanks to Son's perfect finished work for us all to put Faith in
Do you belief this too or are you Dogmatic as Saul was, before he became Paul
No water Baptism, no saved, and if this is it, how did the gentile then get saved before water Baptism?
This verses are TRUE,of course, BUT, they don't apply here, unless ,we come to your house and throw rocks at you. Love Hoffco
Get it it's done, finished, Christ did do it all for us to glory in while in the midst of adversity, why because Christ overcame this world, and when one is in Christ the same is for you too, and all that do believe and won't give up their belief no matter what is in front of them,
Trust is Faith, and exercising this is full blown belief, and the enemy can't touch you. I am nothing Father through Son is everything
Yes, and have you ever considered this:
The Gentile been given freely without works, freely a new life to live in Spirit and truth
Have had by Faith gotten righteous clothes put on them Christ.
Has today gone over to the First Chosen and ripped off there ragged clothes of works salvation and put them on over the righteous clothes Christ by Father has given to us, via the resurrected Christ
I know what clothes I want on ever morning, and is why I agree with father through Paul to die daily to self at the cross of Christ, so that as I die deeper and deeper I see the new life deeper and deeper
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
[h=3]Ephesians 3:17[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
[h=3]Ephesians 3:18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
[h=1]Ephesians 3:16-19 (Living Bible)[/h]
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[SUP]16 [/SUP]that out of his glorious, unlimited resources he will give you the mighty inner strengthening of his Holy Spirit. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And I pray that Christ will be more and more at home in your hearts, living within you as you trust in him. May your roots go down deep into the soil of God’s marvelous love; [SUP]18-19 [/SUP]and may you be able to feel and understand, as all God’s children should, how long, how wide, how deep, and how high his love really is; and to experience this love for yourselves, though it is so great that you will never see the end of it or fully know or understand it. And so at last you will be filled up with God himself.
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height—
The Gentile been given freely without works, freely a new life to live in Spirit and truth
Have had by Faith gotten righteous clothes put on them Christ.
Has today gone over to the First Chosen and ripped off there ragged clothes of works salvation and put them on over the righteous clothes Christ by Father has given to us, via the resurrected Christ
I know what clothes I want on ever morning, and is why I agree with father through Paul to die daily to self at the cross of Christ, so that as I die deeper and deeper I see the new life deeper and deeper
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
[h=3]Ephesians 3:17[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
[h=3]Ephesians 3:18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
[h=1]Ephesians 3:16-19 (Living Bible)[/h]
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[SUP]16 [/SUP]that out of his glorious, unlimited resources he will give you the mighty inner strengthening of his Holy Spirit. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And I pray that Christ will be more and more at home in your hearts, living within you as you trust in him. May your roots go down deep into the soil of God’s marvelous love; [SUP]18-19 [/SUP]and may you be able to feel and understand, as all God’s children should, how long, how wide, how deep, and how high his love really is; and to experience this love for yourselves, though it is so great that you will never see the end of it or fully know or understand it. And so at last you will be filled up with God himself.
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height—
[h=3]Romans 10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]Israel Needs the Gospel[/h]10 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel[SUP][a][/SUP] is that they may be saved. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
One might say they believe, and really do believe, yet can they get caught up in works as is shown here by Paul, who once was Saul and caught up in them prior to seeing truth that set him free from the stress he was under working so hard to be saved dogmatically, not seeing God's love to all, without reservation, you think?
So I think I need to ask God to impute God's type of Love in me and trust God will do it, you think?
[h=3]Israel Needs the Gospel[/h]10 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel[SUP][a][/SUP] is that they may be saved. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
One might say they believe, and really do believe, yet can they get caught up in works as is shown here by Paul, who once was Saul and caught up in them prior to seeing truth that set him free from the stress he was under working so hard to be saved dogmatically, not seeing God's love to all, without reservation, you think?
So I think I need to ask God to impute God's type of Love in me and trust God will do it, you think?
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YES, I SAID IT, of course I have "CONSIDED" IT, I just SAID. I, Hoffco, trust in CHRIST alone for God's righteousness that only JESUS can give me. HE earned it, "IT IS PAID" in full, by Jesus alone, 100% God. But I am not justified until I trust in Christ alone, 100% me. God will not trust for me, I must trust in Christ myself, BY God's power that saved me, He gave me the new birth, 100% God. ONLY in the eternal MIND of God, am I saved before I am saved. Rom.8:29-30 is only in the eternal mind of God. Love Hoffco ps. Justification is only a (one) part of the big picture of SALVATION. Don't miss the forest by looking at only one tree.
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The ch. divisions are not inspired, so I will begin a new section with 9:30-10:21. B. God sets Israel aside for judgment, and God focuses on the Gentile world. Israel is presently a disobedient and obstinate people, for the most part.. The New Covenant age, 9:30-10:21.
The Old Testament Jews, for the most part, thought they were saved because they were God's chosen nation and had the Law of God to follow. The most of them did not understand their sinful natures nor did they take their sins seriously nor did they understand the necessity of the sacrificial system in their salvation; They did not know ,the law was to bring them to their knees as helpless sinners and beg for God's mercy represented in the sacrifice, so they were lost. God never chose to save the most of them, therefore they remain in their lost condition. Or, they would just forget God and serve the pagan gods. This is the exact situation in the church today; people think they are ok and don't need God in their lives. They are saved by by "faith alone", or they really don't need salvation, they are good moral , they don't kill, rob or steal, they are ok. Please remember sal. is a total reversal of our lives. Love to all, Hoffco
The Old Testament Jews, for the most part, thought they were saved because they were God's chosen nation and had the Law of God to follow. The most of them did not understand their sinful natures nor did they take their sins seriously nor did they understand the necessity of the sacrificial system in their salvation; They did not know ,the law was to bring them to their knees as helpless sinners and beg for God's mercy represented in the sacrifice, so they were lost. God never chose to save the most of them, therefore they remain in their lost condition. Or, they would just forget God and serve the pagan gods. This is the exact situation in the church today; people think they are ok and don't need God in their lives. They are saved by by "faith alone", or they really don't need salvation, they are good moral , they don't kill, rob or steal, they are ok. Please remember sal. is a total reversal of our lives. Love to all, Hoffco
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NOW, in this section, chs. 9-11, the theme is: Salvation comes by God unconditional election by grace apart from any works, and received by faith and witnessed to by our reception of Christ as LORD. and the non elect are left to the judgment of God. and this is all to the glory of God. Love to all, Hoffco
As already explained many times, those whom God foreknew, Rom 8:29 refers to the group Christian, the group that loves God, the called, verse 28.
Jer 18:8,10; 2 Tim 2:21, the type of vessels one is formed into depends if he obeys God or not. If you do not agree that obedience (or lack thereof) is the basis God uses as to how He fashions vessels, then tell me what is the basis? Or does God just randomly fashion some into vessels of wrath?
1 Cor 12:13 is water baptism. In 1 Cor 1:14,16 Paul, being a human, water baptized some of the Corinthians himself. Since ther eis one baptism, Eoh 4:5 then 1 Cor 12;13 must also be this one water baptism Paul batized them with.
Jn 3:5-------------------spirit+++++++++++++++water>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
1cor12:13---------------spirit++++++++++++++baptized>>>>>>>>>>>>in the body
Both verse are about the new birth and say the exact same thing giving a clear reference to water baptism.
So those that obey the command to be water baptized are baptized into that one body - the predestined, foreknown body, the church, the group Christian.
Mk 16:16; Acts 2:38; Rom 6:3-5; Gal 3:27; Col 2:12-14; 1 Pet 3:21 etc teach baptism saves. No reason for me or anyone else to think otherwise. These verses teach that water baptism is just as essential to salvation as Jn 3:16; Jn 8:24; Jn 6:47 teach that belief is essential to salvation.
No verse says baptism with the Holy Spirit saves, so Cornelius was still lost in his sins until he was water baptized for remission of sins. Acts 22:16 Saul was lost in his sins until he arose and was water baptized.
The disobedient, the ones that will not obey God's will.
1 Tim 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,"
This verse makes a clear contrast between the righteous man and the disobedient.
Do you know what makes the difference between the righteous and disobedient/unrighteous? Obedience to God's will. Therefore no obedience = no salvation.
And no, I am not perfect but trying my best to do what is my duty to do, Lk 17:10, but still an unprofitable servant in need of grace.