Why do some Christians think modern crossdressing is an abomination?

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MY personal view is when they appeared as men it was so they could interact with mankind. Maybe so they would not stand out and draw attention towards them. This doesn't mean angels in Heaven are all blonde headed Calvin Klein models with pretty wings. It just means they took on the appearance on man so it would be easier to interact with them. The bible does say that the appear in disguise. Appearing as a man is a purdy good costume IMO.

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All I am saying on this is we ONLY have a small picture of what they MAY be like. God DID not tell us much about them at all.
 
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They were recognized as men and not one of them that were named had feminine names. Michael, Gabriel, Lucifer. The two angels at lots house, "we want those men" even after Lot offered his two virgin daughters, they wanted the "men"
So again that is only a FEW times we are told about them. You have nothing more then that. No where in the Bible does it says that angles do not at times appear as women.
 
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They were recognized as men and not one of them that were named had feminine names. Michael, Gabriel, Lucifer. The two angels at lots house, "we want those men" even after Lot offered his two virgin daughters, they wanted the "men"
We still need to be loving toward people and help them toward Christ. Just saying it's wrong doesn't heal anyone. It can make it worse. It can drive people to suicide. No one should promote that kind of behavior in anyone else. Leave this up to qualified clergy and professionals and not on the internet. It's very very dangerous. Be silent if you can't be helpful.
 

Elizabeth619

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All I am saying on this is we ONLY have a small picture of what they MAY be like. God DID not tell us much about them at all.
Probably because it wasn't relevant, yet so many harp on how they looked
 
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So again that is only a FEW times we are told about them. You have nothing more then that. No where in the Bible does it says that angles do not at times appear as women.
Angels don't marry, so they are all born with a gender. Er, wait. They have physicality that will never be used. God does that.
 
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Angels don't marry, so they are all born with a gender. Er, wait. They have physicality that will never be used. God does that.
UMMM well other parts of creation have gender but they don't marry either. Mankind was given marriage but not all of creation was given marriage.
 
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They were recognized as men and not one of them that were named had feminine names. Michael, Gabriel, Lucifer. The two angels at lots house, "we want those men" even after Lot offered his two virgin daughters, they wanted the "men"
That's a good point, Kerry. I tend to believe that angels are masculine because of their power and ability to fight. Femininity is also part of God, and has its place in our record. I am a traditionalist. But I bite my tongue knowing how badly people suffer with gender issues. I won't tell them I think it's godly, I will tell them I care that they are hurting with their personal issues and I will be patient in learning how to help them. I just can't, can't sit idly by when I feel people are hurt more by judgements that serve to be divisive and unnecessary. It's just very complicated.
 
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That's a good point, Kerry. I tend to believe that angels are masculine because of their power and ability to fight. Femininity is also part of God, and has its place in our record. I am a traditionalist. But I bite my tongue knowing how badly people suffer with gender issues. I won't tell them I think it's godly, I will tell them I care that they are hurting with their personal issues and I will be patient in learning how to help them. I just can't, can't sit idly by when I feel people are hurt more by judgements that serve to be divisive and unnecessary. It's just very complicated.

Thank you, dear Kerry. :)
 
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That's a good point, Kerry. I tend to believe that angels are masculine because of their power and ability to fight. Femininity is also part of God, and has its place in our record. I am a traditionalist. But I bite my tongue knowing how badly people suffer with gender issues. I won't tell them I think it's godly, I will tell them I care that they are hurting with their personal issues and I will be patient in learning how to help them. I just can't, can't sit idly by when I feel people are hurt more by judgements that serve to be divisive and unnecessary. It's just very complicated.
I understand you point, however we can't just rollover. The standard must be raised and god uses men and women to raise that standard. Rest assured that God will judge and we better be on the right side when that judgement comes. I meant God has killed people and destroyed cities not only in bible time but in this time as well. He is a merciful and loving God and His patience is beyond human. But there comes a point that God say's it's enough. That's what the tribulation is, It's God saying I have had enough. I meant It was God who sent the flood, It was God who killed Aaron's two son's, it was God who killed Judah's two sons, it was God that killed Ananias and Sapphira. But at the same time it has God that saved the harlot Rahab and God that took in Ruth the moabitess. According to law the were not welcome in the congregation of the Lord, but not only were they accepted but in the blood line of Christ.

It is by faith, Faith in what, the Cross
 

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That's a good point, Kerry. I tend to believe that angels are masculine because of their power and ability to fight. Femininity is also part of God, and has its place in our record. I am a traditionalist. But I bite my tongue knowing how badly people suffer with gender issues. I won't tell them I think it's godly, I will tell them I care that they are hurting with their personal issues and I will be patient in learning how to help them. I just can't, can't sit idly by when I feel people are hurt more by judgements that serve to be divisive and unnecessary. It's just very complicated.
It is good you are so compassionate, and is very admirable, but when one tries to distort scripture to fit desires that aren't Godly then they should be corrected. Being empathetic without teaching the truth isn't beneficial.
 

Elizabeth619

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AS far as the angels being masculine it is completely irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the OP.
 
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danalee

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I understand you point, however we can't just rollover. The standard must be raised and god uses men and women to raise that standard. Rest assured that God will judge and we better be on the right side when that judgement comes. I meant God has killed people and destroyed cities not only in bible time but in this time as well. He is a merciful and loving God and His patience is beyond human. But there comes a point that God say's it's enough. That's what the tribulation is, It's God saying I have had enough. I meant It was God who sent the flood, It was God who killed Aaron's two son's, it was God who killed Judah's two sons, it was God that killed Ananias and Sapphira. But at the same time it has God that saved the harlot Rahab and God that took in Ruth the moabitess. According to law the were not welcome in the congregation of the Lord, but not only were they accepted but in the blood line of Christ.

It is by faith, Faith in what, the Cross
Okay, I understand.
 
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It is good you are so compassionate, and is very admirable, but when one tries to distort scripture to fit desires that aren't Godly then they should be corrected. Being empathetic without teaching the truth isn't beneficial.
True, but I do believe we won't be necessarily saved if we were fornicators vs cross dressers or any other sin imaginable. I was trying to find a way that people can accept the person and not their identifying factors as being part of the body of Christ.

Is our cross dressing OPer not saved? Who can tell? The real question is can we call them a Christian with an honest heart and say we aren't judging them more than anyone else.

It's backing everyone into a corner.
 

Elizabeth619

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True, but I do believe we won't be necessarily saved if we were fornicators vs cross dressers or any other sin imaginable. I was trying to find a way that people can accept the person and not their identifying factors as being part of the body of Christ.

Is our cross dressing OPer not saved? Who can tell? The real question is can we call them a Christian with an honest heart and say we aren't judging them more than anyone else.

It's backing everyone into a corner.
I need to back up, did the OP admit they are a crossdresser? I must have missed that,..
 
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danalee

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I need to back up, did the OP admit they are a crossdresser? I must have missed that,..

Yes. That op admitted to being married while having a cross dressing issue. I was trying to tell him it wasn't going to turn out well by pressing the issue in this way. Now I'm on the other end feeling like I don't want anyone else to fall into the trappings of being overly judgmental. Needless to say. I'm going to bed, haha.
 
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I know this is of the subject, but earlier post are of the subject. Just though I would clue y'all in as to why when the women who has caught in the act of adultery and they brought her before Jesus to see what He would do and He wrote stuff in the sand and then said "let him who is without sin cast the first stone" then they all went away.

The penalty under law for adultery was stoning by stones until death. However, they only brought the women that was caught in the act, they did not bring the man. So what they did was unlawful and therefore Jesus could not condemn the women as they did not bring the man. It takes two to tango.
 
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Yes. That op admitted to being married while having a cross dressing issue. I was trying to tell him it wasn't going to turn out well by pressing the issue in this way. Now I'm on the other end feeling like I don't want anyone else to fall into the trappings of being overly judgmental. Needless to say. I'm going to bed, haha.
Godd nite Danalee, Yes he or she are being led by an evil spirit.
 

Elizabeth619

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Yes. That op admitted to being married while having a cross dressing issue. I was trying to tell him it wasn't going to turn out well by pressing the issue in this way. Now I'm on the other end feeling like I don't want anyone else to fall into the trappings of being overly judgmental. Needless to say. I'm going to bed, haha.
Ok, thanks for informing me.
The thing is, what is judging? If I killed someone would you be judging be telling me that was wrong? Would you not agree murder is a sin? Be telling someone their actions are sinful when the bible clearly states is it a sin is not judging them. It's Gods words saying it is wrong. Not your human assumption.
By judging means that one doesn't have the opportunity for repentance. That is the judgement God gives, and that judgement doesn't happen until the end comes. Until then the OP can repent along with everyone else.
 
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If you killed some one the sheriff will be judging you as well as the judge and 12 of your community.
 

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If the privates parts are wrong,then why is it wrong for someone to have a doctor do that,but it's OK for other birth defects to be corrected by a doctors hand if God so leads?



Personally, I don't see that as an issue, at least where I was coming from anyway. I haven't read all the posts, but I think the subject is about being a man and dressing as a woman by choice, and women dressing like men.