Wilful Ignorance

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do you believe Christian understand ignorance

  • yes they do

    Votes: 4 40.0%
  • no they do not

    Votes: 4 40.0%
  • some pretend they do

    Votes: 2 20.0%

  • Total voters
    10

tourist

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That was the whole point of the post willful ignorance! Much like sin we understand it but do it anyway.
I voted no but understand your point. Either way is sad.
 
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gregfl

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#42
i voted no,but i think i want to change my vote to yes now lol
 

Apostol2013

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Willful ignorance is a allmost in the same line as openly defiance because a believer is knowingly accepting dilluted truth but not truth at all knowing the will of God , knowing what God likes but not doing it almost to say almost evidence of not bei.g a sincere believer through open face defiance , what begins as ignorance turns into openface defiance through disobedience to God's Word my God says that His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge , they are destroyed for lack of truth , and the people that ussually follow them end up in the same boat of condemnation for they have rebelled against the Lord of the sabbath the very Lord Of Hosts we must be deep thinkers dilligent allways full of God's truth..
 
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pastac

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I'm reminded that in scripture we are to seek after God and his ways and prompted not to lean to our own understanding as some would like to think they have liberty to do. I am further reminded that we are to avoid foolish and unlearned questions. I find myself on the side of asking how can clear scripture be so misinterpreted by so many people who all claim to have the same focus.
I say that it is good to expose willful ignorance a debunk the notion that ignorance is not sin. I believe James makes this clear. We are to study we are to avoid foolish questions we are to make better choices than we do if not it is a form of sin. If we as believers choose to remain ignorant or in ignorance that is by choice no different than sin is by the same choice thus it becomes sin to willfully remain in ignorance. Just a thought
James 4:13
Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: 14Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. 15For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that. 16But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil. 17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
 
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#45
That was the whole point of the post willful ignorance! Much like sin we understand it but do it anyway.
hi pastac:)
ignorant of what? i don't know what you are saying. that people know what sin is but they go ahead anyways?
 
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pastac

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#46
hi pastac:)
ignorant of what? i don't know what you are saying. that people know what sin is but they go ahead anyways?
of course that is only one part have you read the whole string yet. I really don't want to go back into it over again so I'll just give an overview. Ignorance of the things of God the ways of God and how to walk in obedience is by choice that is called willful ignorance. To be ignorant or unlearned about anything at all is ignorance. They are intertwined. I am speaking of people who refuse the truth to remain ignorant of God ways. I am talking expressly of people who are willfully ignorant and walk in ignorance as a choice. And no some people don't really know what sin is that is why they/we do it so often.
 
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of course that is only one part have you read the whole string yet. I really don't want to go back into it over again so I'll just give an overview. Ignorance of the things of God the ways of God and how to walk in obedience is by choice that is called willful ignorance. To be ignorant or unlearned about anything at all is ignorance. They are intertwined. I am speaking of people who refuse the truth to remain ignorant of God ways.
oh. thanks. well i guess you'd have to know the whole bible by heart to know every one of God's ways. i don't know the whole bible, but the Spirit let's me know when i do wrong. sometimes i try to look it up.

do you mean atheists?
 
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pastac

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oh. thanks. well i guess you'd have to know the whole bible by heart to know every one of God's ways. i don't know the whole bible, but the Spirit let's me know when i do wrong. sometimes i try to look it up.

do you mean atheists?
I'm mainly referring to believers who make a choice to refuse to study as required to not walk in ignorance. I'm speaking of believers who lean to their own understanding and are unteachable, I'm talking about twisting scripture to sin or looking for shortcuts in the word to prove some point that is not biblical. I expect that from non believers but as believers we are cautioned to know and do better.
 
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#49
I'm mainly referring to believers who make a choice to refuse to study as required to not walk in ignorance. I'm speaking of believers who lean to their own understanding and are unteachable, I'm talking about twisting scripture to sin or looking for shortcuts in the word to prove some point that is not biblical. I expect that from non believers but as believers we are cautioned to know and do better.
i see. aren't some of the most studied people some of the most unteachable? idk:confused:
 
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pastac

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I'm thinking they are firm in their beliefs and don't want to be challenged that the information may be in and infantile state and be much deeper than they can handle or are ready for at this station in their current walk. People don't like correction me you or anyone its not an easy pill to swallow sometimes but often very necessary. Many are unteachable by choice and fear plays a big part of that as well.
 
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Those that can, do - those that can't, teach.
haha i guess:)
everybody says something different, i don't even know how we are reading the same bible. but i'm trying to figure it out little by little. it's better for me to keep it simple.
 
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pastac

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Those that can, do - those that can't, teach.
one of the most untrue statements ever made here is a rebuttal

Those that can struggle Those that wont don't
 
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pastac

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#54
haha i guess:)
everybody says something different, i don't even know how we are reading the same bible. but i'm trying to figure it out little by little. it's better for me to keep it simple.
That is it on one hand we are all not reading the same bible!!
 
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I'm thinking they are firm in their beliefs and don't want to be challenged that the information may be in and infantile state and be much deeper than they can handle or are ready for at this station in their current walk. People don't like correction me you or anyone its not an easy pill to swallow sometimes but often very necessary. Many are unteachable by choice and fear plays a big part of that as well.
well that's probably true, in one sense. but like i said, i hear so many versions everybody saying something different, i'm not sure i want to be 'teachable', if you know what i mean. first i'll try and learn it for myself if i can. just reading the bible (i have a daily verses app) as simple as i can and then listening to see if what the teacher is saying sounds right. lots of times it doesn't, so that person would think i was willfully ignorant or unteachable or whatever, when i really just think they might be wrong. they might be wrong, right?
 
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#56
That is it on one hand we are all not reading the same bible!!
it seems like it!:) tv preachers say the weirdest things. and some of them act weird too. stuff i know can't be right.
 
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pastac

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well that's probably true, in one sense. but like i said, i hear so many versions everybody saying something different, i'm not sure i want to be 'teachable', if you know what i mean. first i'll try and learn it for myself if i can. just reading the bible (i have a daily verses app) as simple as i can and then listening to see if what the teacher is saying sounds right. lots of times it doesn't, so that person would think i was willfully ignorant or unteachable or whatever, when i really just think they might be wrong. they might be wrong, right?
I mean really at the end of the day you hit the nail on the head. Read your Bible. Seek God for clarity. I'm a person who loves to study some never learned that habit in school. Some depend on others because they cant read well or have poor study habits. All that has to be taken into account. When a person refuses to accept true bible standards because of willful ignorance it becomes a hindrance. Yes sometimes people are wrong very wrong but its because they don't have the information exposed to them yet. Christians ,believers have a mandate to study to not walk in willful ignorance or to be continually ignorant.
 
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pastac

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it seems like it!:) tv preachers say the weirdest things. and some of them act weird too. stuff i know can't be right.
It may appear to be so but also consider they are feeding people they have been teaching for long periods of time we only get a snapshot of their ministry as we see it not what is going on in their ministry as a whole. They may sound wrong to your or my ears because we have not been revealed the information they speak of. And of course they just could be wrong biblically not sound.
 

Apostol2013

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13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: note

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. note