Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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Interestingly, those ideas are no longer in existence, and we're never part of the moral dogma, but part of the administrative dogma, which has never held any form of infallibility.
Though, when we're potatoes illegal. Tomatoes were for awhile, since their leaves and vines are poisonous. They are part of the nightshade family.
Though, when we're potatoes illegal. Tomatoes were for awhile, since their leaves and vines are poisonous. They are part of the nightshade family.
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The main reason potatoes were considered a sin was because they were so easily grown and fed a large family, so they provided the "peasants" some independence from the ruling class....which happened to be the Catholic church. For a "pillar" of Christ...that church sure seemed to be about control....hmmmm. The more things change the more they stay the same...wouldn't you say?
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Are you saying I'm ignorant for pointing out the influence of the Catholic church on geo-politcial affairs in Europe in the 14th and 15th centuries?... And for pointing out the fact that eating the tuber was considered a sinful practice due to it being so easily grown and readily available for the peasants to feed their families, thus giving them some independence from the political class? In those days if you went against the church you would be lucky if they just killed you. Sorry if I blasphemed your idol.
You realize that the Irish starved because a Protestant aristocracy outlawed the buying, selling, and consumption of beef or pork among the Irish. Without any source of food, since the potato crop was non-existent, the Irish starved. The official stance of the English aristocracy was that it was better for the Irish to die and decrease their odds at self-government.
Did, Lord have Mercy on me please. technically that is a work, 'I" believe, and now I trust for Father to do this work telling me what he wants through the Holy Spirit the same Holy Spirit that led Christ.
And Christ claimed that he did not do the works, yet the works he did were of from Father
And we here today are so arrogant we want to claim the works?
Not my works, Father yours be done
Not my will, your will Father
And Christ claimed that he did not do the works, yet the works he did were of from Father
And we here today are so arrogant we want to claim the works?
Not my works, Father yours be done
Not my will, your will Father
Yes we the vessels do the works at no credit to self, as Jesus took no credit to self, even though the works were done through him. And so all who believe do the works as well, yet not them the Father does them through those that beleive Father, being Father's vessel to be used by Father whenever Father sees fit to do so.
Not my will (works) but your will (works) Father, lead me as you led Son Christ, Thank you for loving us all as deep as you do in Mercy and truth, making us alive in Spirit and truth, dead to the flesh carnal nature in the renewing of our minds
So we Love this way:
Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Ephesians 4:32 NIV
Not my will (works) but your will (works) Father, lead me as you led Son Christ, Thank you for loving us all as deep as you do in Mercy and truth, making us alive in Spirit and truth, dead to the flesh carnal nature in the renewing of our minds
So we Love this way:
Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Ephesians 4:32 NIV
Father through Son took away the sin of the whole world
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
death does not bring life, it brought reconciliation, forgiven, propitiation, redeemed, cleansed, made pure by son's death, so by Son's death we are presented to Father as cleansed, ready to receive new life in Spirit and truth.
So are you ready are you forgiven once and for all, whether you sin or not are you past tense forgiven or not?
While we were still sinners Christ died for us did he not?
So how are we saved then?
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Christ's Death cleared the problem of sin, so we can regive new life in the resurrected Christ in the Spirit not the flesh, carnal nature
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
death does not bring life, it brought reconciliation, forgiven, propitiation, redeemed, cleansed, made pure by son's death, so by Son's death we are presented to Father as cleansed, ready to receive new life in Spirit and truth.
So are you ready are you forgiven once and for all, whether you sin or not are you past tense forgiven or not?
While we were still sinners Christ died for us did he not?
So how are we saved then?
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Christ's Death cleared the problem of sin, so we can regive new life in the resurrected Christ in the Spirit not the flesh, carnal nature