It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[eternally-gratefull]

then if water baptism is a mere ritual, why do you perform it at all?[/quote

for the same reason a jew circumcised their children. The same reason I study to shew myself aprroved. the same reason i go to church and assemble with other believers. the same reason I do anything God wants me to do. God commands it.

But none of those obedient commands save me or them. They are outward works of a saved person which has faith in the promises and works of God.

Again, Paul tells us we are cleansed by the hands of God in the working of God who raised him from the dead. What part of by the hands of God in the working of God do yo unot get.

And again, If I am not given the washing and renewal of the HS (titus 3: 5) and I get baptised all I do is get wet. Some man who may or may not be saved himself is not going to cleanse me spiritually and give me the right to be reborn spiritual and adopted by Christ as my sins are washed away. My sin was washed by the blood of Christ, not by some man.

Baptism is for the remission of sins, Acts :2:38. No, when I obey Christ's commands I do not consider that earning my salvation. What makes that so hard for you to grasp.?

Well your wrong, the baptism of Acts 2 is as a result or because one had already received remission. They were baptised AFTER receiving the gift of the spirit. NOT BEFORE.

if you would study greek you would see this.

What makes it so hard to grasp? Your earning your salvation by doing a work. I have been given my salvation by the work of God.

What makes that so hard for you to grasp?

 

[Alligator]

then if water baptism is a mere ritual, why do you perform it at all?[/quote

for the same reason a jew circumcised their children. The same reason I study to shew myself aprroved. the same reason i go to church and assemble with other believers. the same reason I do anything God wants me to do. God commands it.

But none of those obedient commands save me or them. They are outward works of a saved person which has faith in the promises and works of God.

Again, Paul tells us we are cleansed by the hands of God in the working of God who raised him from the dead. What part of by the hands of God in the working of God do yo unot get.

And again, If I am not given the washing and renewal of the HS (titus 3: 5) and I get baptised all I do is get wet. Some man who may or may not be saved himself is not going to cleanse me spiritually and give me the right to be reborn spiritual and adopted by Christ as my sins are washed away. My sin was washed by the blood of Christ, not by some man.




Well your wrong, the baptism of Acts 2 is as a result or because one had already received remission. They were baptised AFTER receiving the gift of the spirit. NOT BEFORE.

if you would study greek you would see this.



What makes it so hard to grasp? Your earning your salvation by doing a work. I have been given my salvation by the work of God.

What makes that so hard for you to grasp?

Of course it's the blood of Christ that cleanses us, but that does not mean it can't be done through a human agent. Did Moses part the Red Sea? No, it was God. But He used Moses to perform the act. The Bible is full of similar examples.

Acts 2:38. Read it. It plainly says repent, be baptized, for the remission of sins, and then receive the Holy Spirit, IN THAT ORDER.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course it's the blood of Christ that cleanses us, but that does not mean it can't be done through a human agent. Did Moses part the Red Sea? No, it was God. But He used Moses to perform the act. The Bible is full of similar examples.

Acts 2:38. Read it. It plainly says repent, be baptized, for the remission of sins, and then receive the Holy Spirit, IN THAT ORDER.

lol. If this is the case. why did OT circumcision not be the agent of spiritual cleansing for OT believers?

Your still ignoring what God said. BY THE HANDS OF GOD, IN THE WORKING OF GOD.

And no. Acts 2 does not ay that, the greek language does not fit.

 

[Alligator]

then if water baptism is a mere ritual, why do you perform it at all?[/quote

for the same reason a jew circumcised their children. The same reason I study to shew myself aprroved. the same reason i go to church and assemble with other believers. the same reason I do anything God wants me to do. God commands it.

But none of those obedient commands save me or them. They are outward works of a saved person which has faith in the promises and works of God.

Again, Paul tells us we are cleansed by the hands of God in the working of God who raised him from the dead. What part of by the hands of God in the working of God do yo unot get.

And again, If I am not given the washing and renewal of the HS (titus 3: 5) and I get baptised all I do is get wet. Some man who may or may not be saved himself is not going to cleanse me spiritually and give me the right to be reborn spiritual and adopted by Christ as my sins are washed away. My sin was washed by the blood of Christ, not by some man.




Well your wrong, the baptism of Acts 2 is as a result or because one had already received remission. They were baptised AFTER receiving the gift of the spirit. NOT BEFORE.

if you would study greek you would see this.

What makes it so hard to grasp? Your earning your salvation by doing a work. I have been given my salvation by the work of God.

What makes that so hard for you to grasp?

There is nothing wrong with the Greek in that passage, It 's your misunderstanding of it.. That's a typical excuse for people to drag out when they have no place else to go. I See you seldom quote scripture to back your claim. Anybody can talk, but what does the Bible say.

 

[newbirth]

So yes, agreed but how by Faith or self-works of flesh?

Are you simple? what part of" plain and simple you believe you obey..." you don't understand.

 

[newbirth]

Nor in water, yet the word says from John that there is one that comes after me, he will Baptize you with _______________ you fill in the blank
And so today after the resurrected Christ and ascension, with the delivery of Pentecost, what are we to be Baptized with?
Water or Holy Spirit of truth form Father through Son

One Faith, One Lord, One Baptism

So which one saves? Which one was to decrease and what was to increase?
I am not against anyone being water Baptized, And it is to be a good conscience before God, not necessarily mankind?
Chew on this steak, and please do not choke on it, with all man's good works, that man does because of his being good afterwards. When only Father to this day is the only one good ever.
We are participators in this amazing salvation through Son to us, we, who can not be perfect, Christ made us perfect before Father to get new life in Father, in Spirit and truth via the resurrected Christ, and through his death we see our death and thus see new life in Spirit and truth form Father
Thank you Father, for I know you will reveal to who you decide to reveal this truth to, and make them one with you as we are one now with you, thanks to Son, Thank you Jesus

Since you are making your own rules you tell me. You are stuck in a loop...
[h=3]Mark 16:15-17[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

[h=3]Matthew 28:18-20[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.



Since you don't like to work chew on this
[h=3]Matthew 5:43-45[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.



Are you a child of the Father?????

 

[Alligator]

lol. If this is the case. why did OT circumcision not be the agent of spiritual cleansing for OT believers?

Your still ignoring what God said. BY THE HANDS OF GOD, IN THE WORKING OF GOD.

And no. Acts 2 does not ay that, the greek language does not fit.

Acts 22:16
English Standard Version (ESV)
16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’ Oops, there it is again. I'm sure the Greek is wrong there too.

1 Peter 3:21
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1 Peter 3:20-22 (in Context) Wow, there is yet another. These Greek scholars just don't know what they're talking about.

Mark 16:15-16
English Standard Version (ESV)
15 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.



The only time YOU actually obey Christ, when it's conveniently fits with your doctrine.. So I would be very careful about accusing someone else of this.

 

[dcontroversal]

I will again say YES.......for the third time!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is nothing wrong with the Greek in that passage, It 's your misunderstanding of it.. That's a typical excuse for people to drag out when they have no place else to go. I See you seldom quote scripture to back your claim. Anybody can talk, but what does the Bible say.

No you ignore scripture.

I quoted Col 2. Where paul states clearly our baptism is by the hands of God and done by the work of God.

I quotes titus 3. Where it states clearly our washing is done by the HS himself.

Yo ignore these passages. and have not even acknowledged them

And Again. Acts in the greek does not support your theory. Again, He told EVERYONE to repent. But Only Those who truly repented and recieved the gift of the spirit to be baptised.

but you do not want to see this. Yuo want to be washed by a sinner, And not by God himself. Why? I have no clue.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Acts 22:16
English Standard Version (ESV)
16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’ Oops, there it is again. I'm sure the Greek is wrong there too.

1 Peter 3:21
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1 Peter 3:20-22 (in Context) Wow, there is yet another. These Greek scholars just don't know what they're talking about.

Mark 16:15-16
English Standard Version (ESV)
15 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.



The only time YOU actually obey Christ, when it's conveniently fits with your doctrine.. So I would be very careful about accusing someone else of this.

lol. Your just contradicted yourself.

I said I obeyed Christ and was baptized, and do baptise. Now your saying I only do it when it fits my doctrine?

Dude you have issues.

Col 2. Eph 2: 8-9. John 3: 14- 16. Romans 10.. No mention of being baptized. Did God lie. or is your interpretation of those passages in error?

God can not contradict himself. why do you make him contradict?

 

[Atwood]

Why Are Some So Obsessed w/ Fighting Their Salvation: OSS

for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh: > Philip 2

Some put a lot of effort into talking themselves & trying to talk others out of trusting the Lord Jesus as Savior. Somehow they cannot get it through the noodle OSS = Once Saved, Saved. If you once are saved, them you ARE saved -- no ifs ands or butts. No one & nothing in all of creation can separate you from the love of God in Christ Jesus, not even yourself. Nothing present, nothing in the future. Nada. Zilch. You see, "Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins. And his people do sin. They do need His continued saving. And they get it. He saves to the uttermost.

Now why all the effort into fighting off salvation? Could it be that they have confidence in the flesh? What they need to do is totally despair of ever earning salvation, and throw themselves on God's Mercy, trusting the Lord Jesus. Confidence in your flesh, or your human nature, leads the wrong direction.

" as touching the righteousness which is in the law, found blameless."

"Blameless" is distinguished from "Without Blemish." When others looked at Paul as a Pharisee following the Law of Moses, the legalists couldn't find anything to blame him for. However, Paul/Saul was a wicked man.

Howbeit what things were gain to me, these have I counted loss for Christ. Yea verily, and I count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but refuse, that I may gain Christ, and be found in him,
not having a righteousness of mine own, even that which is of the law,
but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith:

The moment a sinner trusts the Lord Jesus, that sinner is declared righteous, though he has no good works whatsoever. The sinner's nature is transformed to Child of God, and the sinner is baptized into the Body of Christ, identified with Christ, who is perfectly righteous.

You can never have security as long as you think that salvation is earned by works.
Trust the Lord Jesus with your eternal destiny. Receive the free gift of eternal life.

 

[Atwood]

To Be Anxious about Salvation is a State of Sin

"In nothing be anxious; but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus."

Trust in the Lord, O troubled soul,
Rest in the arms of His care;
Whatever thy lot,
It mattereth not,
For nothing can trouble thee there;
Trust in the Lord, O troubled soul;
He is the One Who doth care.

Casting all your care on Jesus;
For He cares for you.

Enter that Sabbath rest by faith;
Roll everything on Him.
Have confidence that He will see your through.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

 

[Atwood]

What Do You Need? Security? Eternal Life? To Be Kept?

"Thou shalt call His name Jesus;
For He shall save His people from their sins."

Do you really believe that?
Or do you imagine somehow He will fail,
because human will is the omnipotent god,
too hard for Christ to handle?

The gifts & the calling of God are irrevocable.
How are you going to revoke the irrevocable?

And my God shall supply every need of yours according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus. Now to our God and Father be the glory for ever and ever. Amen. end of Philip.

Do you need a dwelling place in the Father's House? The apartments are free. But you must trust the Lord Jesus to get one.

Do you have a need to be kept from falling & presented faultless?
Trust Him, and
my God shall supply every need of yours.

Do you imagine that something is left out?

 

[RickyZ]

I will again say YES.......for the third time!

As if you could get a word in edgewise...

 

[Atwood]

The only time YOU actually obey Christ, when it's conveniently fits with your doctrine.. So I would be very careful about accusing someone else of this.

If anyone would obey Christ, let him start by trusting Him as Savior. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ [a command] and you shall be saved. Nothing added. Since so many abundant times salvation is offered just for faith/belief, nothing else can be necessary. Since salvation is not by human works, water baptism cannot save.

So then we approach the few rare verses that seem at first to some, to connect baptism and salvation. Of course you must realize that Spirit Baptism is salvific, though not something a human does, but is inevitably done to him when he trusts Christ as Savior.

Acts 22:16

Ananias speaks. I believe he spoke the truth, though Ananias is not called a prophet.
"And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized. And wash away your sins, by having called on his name. " ἐπικαλεσάμενος = Aorist participle (used where action prior to the main verb is indicated).

1 Peter 3:21 in context:

Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison, that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water: which also after a true likeness does now save you, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ"

Water baptism is a picture, a likeness of salvation. We are indentified with Christ in His death & resurrection. When He died, we died; When He said "It is finished," the believer's salvation was finished. We are reckoned as raised & seated in Heaven in Christ (indication of our security!) It is not the water washing skin that saves.


Mark 16:15-16
English Standard Version (ESV)
15 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

1) It is illogical here to insist that text text implies that baptism is essential to salvation. It is also true that He who is baptized, and eats beans, and believes will be saved. But only the believing is an essential act by man for salvation. Notice how the negative part does not say, but whoever is not baptized will be condemned.

2) Spirit baptism is salvific. Thus it is likely that this passage refers to Spirit baptism, which again is not something men do, but something done to them by God, and to every Christian when he believes in the Lord Jesus. (1 Cor 12:13)

It really is essential to give up and trust in works for salvation, including water baptism, and trust the Lord Jesus to do His guaranteed work on the man.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

Audience:
Give up the works, trust the Savior for your eternal destiny.

 

[know1]

Re: Given Before Times Eternal. Does 2 Timothy 1 Imply Eternal Security?

Strange incense, Know. The word "part" does not occur. It says nothing about "produces." I think you are reading in things that are not there, and jumping to strange conclusions.

How on earth do you study sir? Do I have to show you everything, even the simplest of things? Before you say something yourself, shouldn't you check it out. Do you really think I just make this stuff up, just because you don't know or understand it? You are not even seeking God to find out if what I have been saying is truth or not. You continue to just file it in the lie pile, then treat it as trash. Seek God, and you might learn from others things you haven't been taught in cemetery school.
Num 11:25 And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took H680 of H4480 the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.
H680
אצל
'âtsal
aw-tsal'
A primitive root; properly to join; used only as a denominative from H681; to separate;

H4480
מנּי מנּי מן
min minnı̂y minnêy
min, min-nee', min-nay'


For H4482; properly a part of; hence (prepositionally), from or out of

As you should be able to see, 'a part of', does occur as I stated. Also note one of the definitions for, 'took' is, to separate. These are from the Strong's dictionary.
Sir, if you take an apple from an apple tree, and eat the apple then plant the seeds that were in the apple, are you still going to tell me that 'it says nothing about 'produces'?
Perhaps you didn't comprehend what the scripture said. God took or separated a part of the Spirit that was on Moses and gave those parts to the seventy. If you took apples from the tree in which they came from, and gave them to others, then when those seeds are planted by the others, didn't that tree get multiplied through the distribution and planting of it's seeds? This is not difficult to see, nor is it hard to understand.
Again, the point I was getting at, is that faith is a noun and believe is a verb. A noun is a person, place, or thing, when a verb is an action word or a state of being. How can they be the same thing?

The passage does not say that "faith is a Spirit." It is paralleled by "I believed." The text makes sense as: if you have a spirit of faith, you have a spirit characterized by trusting the Lord, a spirit that believes. It doesn't say that faith is something abstract made out of spirit. ROFL

No it doesn't, it says 'spirit of faith', like spirit of
God, his spirit
wisdom
jealousy
the spirit
a spirit
the Lord
evil spirit
familiar spirit
thy spirit, Elijah
Elijah
Pul and Tilgathpilneser, king of Assyrea
no more spirit in her
Philistines and Arabians
Cyrus, king of Persia
Thy spirit in thy prophets
my understanding
free spirit
princes
faithful spirit
excellent spirit
man
beast
judgment
burning
wisdom and understanding
counsel and might
knwledge and fear of the Lord
Egypt
strength
deep sleep
heaviness
Kings of the Medes
living creature
new spirit
whoredom
grace and supplications
unclean spirit
your Father
dumb
dumb and deaf
unclean devil
manner of spirit ye are of
infirmity
truth
divination
evil spirit
spirit of holiness
newness of spirit
life
Christ
bondage
adoption
slumber
the world
meekness
living God
the lord
faith
His Son
Holy Spirit of promise
wisdom and revelation
prince of the power of the air
your mind
Jesus Christ
his mouth
fear
power and of love and of a sound mind
eterneral spirit
grace
holiness
meek and quiet spirit
glory
every spirit
antichrist
error
life
seven spirits of God
prophecy
another spirit
destroyer
principalities
powers
rulers of the darkness of this world
wicked spirits in heavenly places
angels
demons
devil
cherabims
arc angel
comforter
lying spirit
the God of the spirits of all flesh
of a sorrowful spirit
contrite, broken, right, free, holy
makes angels spirits
perverse spirit
judgement
ezk 1; 20
destroyer
good
haughty, humble, broken, wounded,
cloven tongues of fire
Just to name a few that are written in the bible.

Again, you are making things up, or following someone who did.

I don't make things up. I followed the voice and leading of the Spirit. I have many more scripture verses that continue to back up, what you say I am fabricating. No man taught me this, for I have never heard any teaching along these lines, and I dare say, neither have you.

BTW, in context, surely "The Word of God is living" refers to the Lord Jesus Himself. Christ dwells in the heart (not periphery) of the Christian through faith (Eph 3). If you have no scripture to prove your "lie of the devil" theory, I would drop it. But it is true that the enemy works with deception, delusion, and confusion.

Like I stated earlier, just like the Spirit that was on Moses multiplied itself through its seed, Jesus in like manner does the same thing. The living word is a part of, or a seed of Jesus. Remember, that everything produces after its own kind.
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
How do we eat His flesh and drink His blood?
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Those who come to Him are fed the bread of life, for they will never hunger, they that believe, drink His blood, for they will never thirst.

His blood is the word of God, which is the Spirit of God, which is alive.
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Agreeing with the truth is important.

Agreeing with truth is not important, IT'S PARAMOUNT!!!
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
We are born again, by the word of God, which is a seed that is a living spirit, or a spirit that is alive. If you believe any other gospel other than the one Paul preached, then you did not receive Christ, for Jesus is the truth, He is the Word of God, and that word is truth. When we agree with truth then we receive the spirit of truth. Again, it is a spirit that is from Christ.
Not that you will see it, but you would like me to attempt to prove, the lie of the devil theory?
Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Joh 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Joh 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.



Those who are not of God, cannot hear truth, if they can't hear truth, they cannot believe it, if they can't believe it, they cannot receive it, if they can't receive it, then they have not received Christ who is truth. They that are of God hear, believe, and receive.
Notice who is the father of the religious leaders, but the devil. If the devil is your father, and the devil has NO truth in him and he is in you, then you will not be able to receive truth or the truth of God's word either.
This is just one section of verses that talk about the devil having children or seed of his own. They cannot receive truth because a spirit of the devil that is in them cannot receive truth.
And yes this has to do with the subject of one losing their salvation. If one rejects the truth, they reject Christ.
Amo 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
The answer is, NO, they cannot.

 

[Atwood]

Of course it's the blood of Christ that cleanses us, but that does not mean it can't be done through a human agent. Did Moses part the Red Sea? No, it was God. But He used Moses to perform the act. The Bible is full of similar examples.

Ok Alligator, give us even one where some human being cleansed anyone from sin.

Acts 2:38. Read it. It plainly says repent, be baptized, for the remission of sins, and then receive the Holy Spirit, IN THAT ORDER.

The order is, consider all scripture on salvation first, then fit the odd verses into what is reiterated over & over. Faith/belief alone saved, nothing added, over & over & over. Works is excluded. Now of the different possible ways to interpret Acts 2:38, you must pick one that harmonizes with the rest of God's Word. (No scripture is of private interp).

Acts 1 "he charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, said he, ye heard from me: for John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence."

Acts 2:38
"And Peter said unto them, Change your mind [from unbelief to belief in the Lord Jesus], and be baptized [in the Spirit] everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

That is the only interp I know of that is consistent with the rest of scripture and the grammar of the verse.

Figure out the rare verses any way you wish, but do it consistent with rest of God's Word. We are not saved by human works.

 

[nl]

Re: Do Not Reject Eternal Security by Worshipping Man's Will

But so far as I know, in the Bible there is but one attribute which is given in the form of a definition (though it is a figure of speech), where it says, "God is ____." A word with four letters.

Fire (Hebrews 12:29)
Love (1 John 4:8)
Lord (Mark 12:29)
True (John 3:33)

 

[Atwood]

Re: Given Before Times Eternal. Does 2 Timothy 1 Imply Eternal Security?

Num 11:25 And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took H680 of H4480 the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.

First know, you should know that Strong is not a high authority, but a simple tool. The authorities are the Hebrew Lexicons, like Keil & Delitzsch, Halot, etc.

K & D: " vb. denom. lay aside, reserve, withdraw, withhold—" "part" is not a meaning listed.

min is the standard Hebrew word meaning from, used in a variety of ways.

I think what you are doing is inferring something that is not there. The Holy Spirit is infinite; you don't really cut Him up into parts. If He is there, He is all there. Of course He is omnipresent, but has special places also.

You speak of "spirit of faith." I already gave you a reasonable explanation. Now the word "of" is generally an English representation of what is a case ending in Greek (like 's is a case Ending in English for the possessive case). In Greek it is called the genitive case. And "of" can cover a host of meanings. "The love of God" can be a humans' love for God, or God's love for the human -- context is required.

Everything produces after its kind? God made donkeys! God does make Gods.

You say you followed the voice of the Spirit. OK, was it masculine or feminine? Did it have a German accent? What kind of English did the voice speak? Southern drawl? Clipped New Yawk? Yorkshire incomprehensible? Scottish brogue? Mushy Indian? Was the voice bass, barotone, tenor, alto, sporano?

I don't know why anyone would believe your claim here.

 

[Atwood]

Re: Do Not Reject Eternal Security by Worshipping Man's Will

Fire (Hebrews 12:29)
Love (1 John 4:8)
Lord (Mark 12:29)
True (John 3:33)

Thanks, good post nl.