Sometimes I wonder if I'm defective...

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Shouryu

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...like I'm missing a particular chip or co-processor or something.

(More of a ramble than an actual thread, but you guys are more than willing to take the thing and run with it. Wisebeardman, I'll save you the trouble of posting the usual "The OP was too long, so I didn't read it," and tell you now that this will be long, so you don't have to read it. ^_^ )

My phone rang after 11pm tonight. It was my older brother, who I'd visited earlier this week. I've had a long day, so I let it go to v-mail. If it's important, he'll leave a v-mail. He didn't leave one, but 20 minutes later, I received the following text: "Gabe [my 3 y.o. nephew] wanted to call. He misses his uncle and wanted to talk to him!"

At least half of you (mostly the women) reading this just said, "AWWWW!" (Mentally or out loud.) I rolled my eyes when I read the text.

After I left my brother, nephew, and sis-in-law, I drove down to visit a close friend and his wife, who were blessed with their first child in March. I spent a day with them, mainly to hang out with my friend, who is a stay-at-home dad to his son. Afterwards, I drove out to spend a couple days with Grace-Like-Rain, who quizzed me about the visit.

GLR: "How's his baby doing?"
Sh-: "Seems alright. Sleeps a lot, eats, cries, poops. You know, three month old baby."
GLR: "Did you hold him?"
Sh-: "No."
GLR: "Did you WANT to hold him?"
Sh-: "No. If he'd asked me to, or even just stuck the kid in my arms, I would have. I'll help. But he didn't, so...meh."

On an hour-long drive with my other brother, who is not married, but is itching to become a father, we discussed parenthood and desires. He described being called to parenthood the highest, most noble responsibility given to us by God, that it was our duty to raise Godly children. He feels the urge stronger than ever, and he feels his time is running out.

I have never felt compelled to sire children. I've never had the Holy Spirit whisper in my ear that it's my duty to bring up a child and teach them to follow Christ.

Last year, the day after my brother's wedding, I took my nephew off of his hands so that he and my sister-in-law could have a little break. We were at a brunch buffet at Treasure Island; my cousin and aunt (both mothers) were at the table, and you'd think my brother would have handed the kid off to someone better experienced and equipped, but whatever. My nephew was squirmy and wanted to run into the casino with all the lights and sounds. I held him firmly, and sang Billy Joel's Lullabye into his ear. He went to sleep. My cousin and aunt gawked and said that I was made to be a father.

I don't find Anne Geddes portraits to be insightful, adorable, or artistic. Seeing a one year old dressed up in a costume doesn't make me melt or amuse me...not even the irony of it. I met a pair of teenage sisters recently, one of whom was more than willing to talk with me and share her dry (and sharp!) wit...and the other, who wanted nothing to do with me and said nothing more than, "Hi." before retreating to her room. It didn't hurt me or bother me that this child responded to me this way, because in my brain, it computes that I can't make someone like me; all I can do is simply be kind and respectful to a person, be they five, fifteen, or fifty...and if they don't like me, I can't change that. I wasn't compelled to change the situation.

I don't have a fathering instinct.

The way some people talk (my single brother, and my cousin, for instance), I'm supposed to. Whether it's due to my faith, or due to what they believe they see in me. When it comes to things like dealing with my nephew, dealing with my students, dealing with the two sisters I met this week, or even with people like lil_christian or other teens on CC, I don't feel compelled to "take care" of them the way a father would. I feel the need to be responsible for them: to protect them from danger and to demonstrate Christian love and morals...but that goes for EVERYONE I meet, not just children.

It concerns me. It bothers me...that it doesn't bother me.

At my age, it is more than likely that if God sees fit to bless me with a companion, she is likely to have children already. I do not have a problem with this AT ALL. But I wonder if the fact that I'm so...so...just...MEH...about children...seals my fate. Because good parents...good single mothers...are ALL ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN. As they should be. And they're not likely to invest in a man who is so utterly meh about children. I would take care of my step-children. I would protect them, and teach them Godliness as best as I can. I'm sure that I could grow to love them, as we become a part of each others' lives. I understand that it's a responsibility that is not to be taken lightly, and I would rise to the challenge as the Lord tasks me.

But in the end, I can't help but wonder...am I missing the 'father' chip?



We now return you to your regularly scheduled banter-and-nonsense...
 
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idk. you seem to do better with kids then I do.. I tend to get annoyed very quick with other peoples kids.. I really don't deal with kids under about 4 or 5 very well at all. as they get older I tend to tolerate the girls a bit better then boys. By the time they get close to the teen years then im somewhat ok with them.

needless to say im not really a kid guy. but I have never had any of my own so idk for sure but if i deal with my own kids like I do others. the 1st 1/2 decade won't be pretty.
 

DuchessAimee

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So... you're human. You have likes and dislikes. It's totally okay you don't want kids. There isn't a thing wrong with that.


Now, if you happen to knock up some leggy dame (after the wedding, duh) you may change your mind. Biology cries out for biology. Holding a kid that's yours may melt your heart. But if you never procreate, that's totally fine.
 

gypsygirl

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i have never, ever felt compelled to reproduce my genetic material. in high school i knew quite early on that i probably wouldn't want to give birth to a child. being present and playing active support role in the birth of my best friend's two children's only made me feel more strongly about not "needing" to have my own child.

if i married a man with kids, or married a man who wanted children and was interested in adoption, i'm on board with this. i love kids and am very involved with a ministry that reaches jr. high girls, and will probably always be involved with kids on some level.

that said, i also think i could be very happy married and pursuing our passions and chasing down adventure instead of a kid.
 
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1still_waters

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Two thoughts.
1. Make sure your heart's priorities are right. (I'm pretty sure they are, but it's always good to make sure.)
2. If your heart's priorities are right, then chillax.

The Bible does make general statements concerning marriage and children.

Genesis 1
17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” 19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.
Psalm 127
3 Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord,
The fruit of the womb is a reward.
4 Like arrows in the hand of a warrior,
So are the children of one’s youth.
5 Happy is the man who has his quiver full of them;
They shall not be ashamed,
But shall speak with their enemies in the gate.
In general, God says marriage and kids are huge blessings to find worth in. Sometimes the spirit of the age can creep in, and distort certain divine perspectives. The spirit of our age doesn't find worth in marriage, family, children etc. Just to play it safe, take some inventory and make sure this isn't the case with you. (I highly doubt it is from what I've heard from you in the forums and chat.)

Delight in marriage and children is a general rule, but the Bible also shows there are exceptions to this general rule.

Paul writes this not as a command from the Lord. I think since God didn't say, "Hey Paul don't write that." - it's a sign God does have room for exceptions to the general rule.

1 Cor 7
6 But I say this as a concession, not as a commandment. 7 For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that.
8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
And then...

17 But as God has distributed to each one, as the Lord has called each one, so let him walk. And so I ordain in all the churches. 18 Was anyone called while circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Was anyone called while uncircumcised? Let him not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. 20 Let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called. 21 Were you called while a slave? Do not be concerned about it; but if you can be made free, rather use it. 22 For he who is called in the Lord while a slave is the Lord’s freedman. Likewise he who is called while free is Christ’s slave.23 You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. 24 Brethren, let each one remain with God in that state in which he was called.
Also this from Jesus seems to indicate there is room for exceptions to the general family and kids rule.
Matthew 19
11 But He said to them, “All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given: 12 For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”

So basically, take some inventory of your heart. Make sure the spirit of this age hasn't crept in, and robbed joy in the general rule concerning marriage and kids. If nothing has crept in, then you're an exception to the rule and God grants freedom for that too.
 
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Fenner

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I agree with the Duchess. I'm sure given the situation you'd fit the role and be good. The other day we had a bad day here at home, kids arguing all day, my daughter got really sassy with me and I was angry, I told my Husband, I'm not sure if I am cut out for this. I'm not going anywhere, but I question my parenting skills sometimes.
 
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kenthomas27

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I thought it said you wondered if you were a DETECTIVE, so I read the whole thing thinking there would be you with one of those Dick Tracy hats saying "the door was ajar..... not a good sign in a crime tapped tenant house like this one. i quietly coaxed the door in motion with my foot when..." but no, it was your cousins and family and kids.

Sorry shour, I got nothing.
 
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Nodmyheadlikeyeah

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I don't think you're defective
 
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persNickety

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Ok, I just need to say, I read the title as 'sometimes I wonder if I'm a detective'. Too early in the morning here. Sorry to derail.
 

tourist

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I wonder the same thing about myself. I suppose it is possible that I have a screw loose or something to that effect.
 

tourist

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I thought it said you wondered if you were a DETECTIVE, so I read the whole thing thinking there would be you with one of those Dick Tracy hats saying "the door was ajar..... not a good sign in a crime tapped tenant house like this one. i quietly coaxed the door in motion with my foot when..." but no, it was your cousins and family and kids.

Sorry shour, I got nothing.
I know all about the "the door is ajar..."
 
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persNickety

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I think Aimee put it best that you might change your mind when you are married, but it's completely ok if you don't want or have kids.
 

Rachel20

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I think you're worrying too much and the Bible says do not be anxious about anything.

The whole process of becoming a parent isn't an instantaneous thing.

Pregnancy is around nine months and this time is so crucial as it prepares expectant parents for the birth of the child. Though I am not a parent myself, no mother or father is perfect and I am sure every parent feels the burden of responsibility.

After all they are entrusted with the growth of another human individual.

Even with regards to adoption, non biological parents go through a process - a mental /emotional / financial / legal preparation.

So basically no one jumps into parenthood immediately.

From what you mentioned in the OP, all you were doing was being a caretaker/babysitter and a friend. You weren't being their dad.

Being entrusted with the job of fatherhood would involve considerable amount of preparation and prayer. It's not just skills and your ability to provide.

When you make that decision, and bring your plans before God, submitting to Him your desires and your fears, you can be sure he would bless those plans and grant you generous wisdom (Proverbs 16:3 ; James 1:5)

God is love! I am sure God can and will guide you through that process of preparation and when you do get the opportunity to father a child or be a father to another child, you will definitely find immense happiness and joy - seeing that young child grow into a godly person who will support and love you in times of your need.
 
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ww_21

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I personally don't think there's anything wrong with you. Some people desire to be parents, some do not. My I have two older sisters, the oldest has two kids and the other has one. Do I have a burning desire to be a second mother to them? To be their aunt/best friend as all their other aunts seem to want? NO. If I had it my way I'd barely see them... not because I dislike them... at the end of the day I will protect them from harm's way but I just don't find it in myself to go over board an "awww my niece I love you so much blah blah" like others do. It's all about preference.

I've never seen myself as a parent, yes I am just 21 but I am the ONLY single one of all my friends younger and older alike. Most of my friends are parents and when we meet (which is very rare )and they bring their kids along I sit and stare... no I don't wanna hold your baby... I never held any of my nieces till they were 6 months or so.

You just have to be who you are I guess.
 

christian74

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Ok, I just need to say, I read the title as 'sometimes I wonder if I'm a detective'. Too early in the morning here. Sorry to derail.

Haha, you are not the only one 'cause that's how I read it too - even after having a cup of coffee.


Now, for you, sir,

I think you are fine.
I would worry if you wanna settle down BECAUSE you wanna have children so you can become a father... rather than wanting to be with someone and spend the rest of life with her FIRST. There's time for everything and I believe whatever you think you are missing will come along in its due time.
 
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You mean defective like these cans?? :rolleyes:

[video=youtube;eXRM3lFRwRI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXRM3lFRwRI#t=35[/video]
 
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Arlene89

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Awhile ago, I had very similar thoughts, Shour. I thought I was weird because every female friend I've had at some point expressed their desires to have children, and I never felt that same heart tug that they had. Since high school, when girls decided to bring up the whole conversation, 'How many children, what will their names be, etc' I just shrugged and said adoption sounds good. Or I just said, the man can decide, I'm down for anything, or nothing, either way. I thought I lost that inbuilt desire that seems to be deep in the core of most women's hearts.

Then I started working with children, and if I have learnt anything about myself while working as a Kindergarten teacher, it is that I can wait. I thought that if I was only to be a teacher for how many years, I would be happy, because in nurturing and loving these children, I have a taste of that missing piece and frankly it would be enough for me. So I thought.

I was wondering all this for awhile and settled for the fact I was like you said, 'defective' when one day I walked passed the TV to see that the movie 'What to expect when expecting' was playing. It was up to the part of the birthing scenes, and amused to know how well these women can actually act out a birthing scene, I sat back and watched. This scene started off comically, I chuckled for some parts, then came the part when the babies were born, the women held their new born babies and the family cuddled in together to meet their child for the first time. I swear something in me stirred, like a muscle being used that I have never used before, and I began to cry. Something about what I saw moved me so and I learnt, that desire is in there, I just haven't bothered waking it up for this time.

Another time one of my Kindergarten children was really sad and I held him. Soon enough, he fell asleep on me. I started fidgeting and moving around because he wasn't laying against my chest in a very comfortable manner. I thought, 'I am so unfamiliar with holding him,' and then BOOM. Something again tugged at my heart, a desire to have one of my own, that I can hold and who fits so well with me, like a puzzle piece that fits perfectly in my arms. A child I KNOW, a child that is a part of me.

I think all that motherly and fatherly stuff is awakened at the proper time. I don't think we're defective. The fact that you already respond with fatherly instincts (like protecting, willing to raise them up in a Godly environment) tells me you have it in you. I've been told, for some men, all the right stuff comes up when you hold your child for the first time.

*Shrugs*
 

Jilly81

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Shouryu, I think it's good that you're honest with yourself and aren't trying to force yourself to want kiddos just to fit in or whatever. I don't want them even though I'm really good with them. I doubt I'll even marry at all.

Also, I strongly disagree with your brother that parenting is the highest calling. It's not in the New Testament. Not even in the O.T., actually. Although the phrase "be fruitful and multiply" is in there, it wasn't the greatest commandment even before Jesus gave us the Great Commission of spreading the Gospel right before He ascended to Heaven.

Mark 12:28-31

King James Version (KJV)

28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
 
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Liamson

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I've never changed a poopy diaper in my life.

I'm okay with that.


I'm a fan of other people's kids. Mostly because at the end of the day, you get to give them back.


As far as my own go... well. I used to say that one of my favorite events is seeing a woman hold a baby like a bomb. It kind of tells me that I'm not going to be used as a means to an end. Like she wants children, I'm a man so therefore marrying me equals having children, mission accomplished. *Runs away*