All Prayers To God Through Mary: Total Consecration to the Immaculate -Real Sources

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmmm, yet she is called his wife. Can you commit adultery with your wife?

if God says a man leaves a woman and the two become one, Yes it is adultry.

typical. lets excuse sin. no wonder you people can not understand how totally depraved in sin you are. do you do this to your own sin? so you are blind to it??

 

[newbirth]

This is the one practice I openly challenge. What St. Louis meant by this original thirty day consecration vs. what many of my brothers and sisters have turned it into is blasphemy. I stand with many Catholics, such as Matthew Kelly, and often argue over this practice.

I can only hope that our voice will be that of Paul scolding Peter.

come out from the unclean thing brother
[h=3]Galatians 5:7-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

 

[chubbena]

Okay, you guys are not happy with anything I write. How about I just start going online and bringing up threads over and over about Baptists. That would get me banned. About Pentecostals. Banned. About Methodists. Banned. So realize that 1stillwaters, you created the playing field. If we are unable to respond in any way, because everything we say is obviously a lie. RRealize you're the one who entered the conversation with preconceptions and already have judged us damned. I'll keep on trying to educate, and eventually I am probably gonna get banned. But I find it odd, that I try to explain, I try to not get angry because "it isn't personal." And yet, I'll bet that after I am gone. There will still be these posts about how Catholics are molesting children to raise them up to worship Satan. As ludicrous as that sounds, you'll still turn your head.

In the end, it is personal. Because when everything you respond to, and even when I stand up and explain that I agree about something, I'm deceiving. So, stop and honestly pray about how you actually come off. I don't know your intent, but your responses speak loudly that you will never stand by my side. God help me should the United States ever turn against Catholics, because sometimes I honestly wonder if it will be people on here who will light the fire that consumes my life.

The scripture teaches more than once to "come out of her my people, do not share in her sins" unless of course, God has given you a direct order to stay and make a change.
You know, all denominations are demon in action if one sees errors but does not speak up - and I don't know how "loud" you are where you are and I am not judging. Nevertheless, excommunication, whether from church or from forum, is forewarned and foretold by the Messiah so it should not be afraid of or a hindrance for, speaking the truth.

 

[notuptome]

so your telling me that bathseba could say no to the king? that was rape. She had no choice, She could not say no even if she wanted to.

As for Abraham. You telling me Ishmael was not a result of adultry?

ok.....

So she was bathing on the roof top expecting that no one would notice? Can you rape the willing? It is still a wicked sin but it takes two to tango.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[chubbena]

is adultry sin or is it not?

how can we sit here and claim we follow the law like you guys do. Then excuse sin as not sin. I guess this is how you excuse your own sin, and think you are righteous?

Deal with what the scripture says and what I ask, would you?
Adultery of course is a sin but was it adultery is the question.
More false accusation does not help to solve your problem - and it does not work on an open forum.

 

[4enlightment]

So she was bathing on the roof top expecting that no one would notice? Can you rape the willing? It is still a wicked sin but it takes two to tango.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Some people doesn't believe that it takes two....

John 8:4
and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So she was bathing on the roof top expecting that no one would notice? Can you rape the willing? It is still a wicked sin but it takes two to tango.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Actually. Yes you can rape the willing. Defends on how you define rape (wink)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Some people doesn't believe that it takes two....

John 8:4
and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.

tell that to all the poor women raped by dictators and kings through the centuries.

I am sure they would disagree with you..

 

[john832]

Some people doesn't believe that it takes two....

John 8:4
and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.

Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Joh 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

You mean these people?

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

 

[newbirth]

And your faith and church are perfect. This is nothing more than the return of the donatists. They believed that if anyone or anything, even the Church, had even the slightest imperfection they were lost and could never be saved. I have condemned this. I said so, time and time again. And yet the return is to respond as if I have said you were wrong.

Southern Baptist convention believes according to their doctrine that if you're not fully immersed in water, you're not saved.
Pentecostals hold tongues to be proof of salvation.
Episcopalians allow practicing homosexuals to be pastors and ministers.
Many nondenominational churches claim a prosperity gospel.
Many charismatic churches hold that homosexuals are born damned.

During the rule.of Elizabeth the First, Catholic priests and nuns were burnt at the stake and hung.
Martin Luther fathered two children out of wedlock and was accused of murdering a man prior to his entrance into the monastery.
John Calvin personally ordered the burning of cathedrals while people were still inside.
John Wesley believed that if one were in the pure presence of God, one should have an orgasm.
No Christian interceded to help the Armenian Christians being slaughtered by Muslims. They were saved by Salah Al'Din, a Muslim.
Serbian Orthodox raped and murdered Bosnian Muslims in order to ethnically cleanse Serbia.
Russian Orthodox have shown a blind eye to the KGB and the Russian organized crime syndicates.


Guess what?! Those are their specks.

I HAVE MY OWN PLANK TO DEAL WITH. Too many Catholics worship Mary. I preach against it. I teach against it. There is a Church worth saving. LET US DEAL WITH IT. At the very least, let us try. Stop being a nest of vipers snapping at every turn.

Jesus had more compassion and patience.

We know the doctrine of God and we know the doctrine of men...how do we deal with that according to scripture...
[h=3]2 Corinthians 6:16-18[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

[h=3]Galatians 5:7-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

 

[chubbena]

wow,

so lets excuse sin. No wonder so many legalistic churches I have seen are the way they are. It is not sin as long as I commit it the way i did. But you, if you do it, it is sin.

rom 1 says the law was written on our hearts. so no man has an excuse.

But you claimed that the law (including the law against adultery) didn't come until 430 years after, didn't you? So now you finally agree the law has already existed before Mount Sinai, don't you?

as for bathseba. do you think if she screamed anyone would come? and do you think she would dare scream?

It's speculation because the bible didn't record that. It's also speculation that David was a serial rapist.

This is the king. no one goes against the king for fear of death..

There's a man whose name is Nathan.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

[/B]But you claimed that the law (including the law against adultery) didn't come until 430 years after, didn't you? So now you finally agree the law has already existed before Mount Sinai, don't you?

as far as eternal life goes yes. yet I never denied that now have I?

It's speculation because the bible didn't record that. It's also speculation that David was a serial rapist.There's a man whose name is Nathan.

I never said he was. I do not think he went around taking other peoples wives though. then try to hide it.

yeah there was a man named nathan.

did you see David go around asking for a sacrifice in the temple to have his sin forgiven? did you see him fear the loss of his salvation due to his grave sins?

if anything, David shows true grace and forgiveness. And true knowledge of what it means to be a child of God. Forgiven forever.

 

[chubbena]

You may have your opinion based on speculation but the law taught that Bathsheba could have screamed for help. The bible didn't record that. Neither did the bible record David had ever rape.
Abraham committing adultery - I'm surprised you said that. According to your interpretation of the law, it didn't come until 430 years later. Where there's no law, there's no sin.
Unless of course, the law against adultery existed before Mount Sinai.
But still He didn't commit adultery. It was not against the law to have more than a wife.
Unless of course, one points back to Genesis 2:24 while ignoring what the scripture teaches in other books, chapters and verses.
But then it complicates further the matter of how from Adam and Eve came the whole human race.

wow,

so lets excuse sin. No wonder so many legalistic churches I have seen are the way they are. It is not sin as long as I commit it the way i did. But you, if you do it, it is sin.

rom 1 says the law was written on our hearts. so no man has an excuse.

as for bathseba. do you think if she screamed anyone would come? and do you think she would dare scream? This is the king. no one goes against the king for fear of death..

lets excuse everyones sin why don't we..

wow. just wow..

I totally understand you have no answer to my questions except speculations.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I totally understand you have no answer to my questions except speculations.

And I understand you walk around judging people as loving to sin, and excuse it, thus they believe in eternal security, when here you are excusing the sin of people.

Typical of legalistic believers.

 

[chubbena]

as far as eternal life goes yes. yet I never denied that now have I?

Come again? I am not quite sure what you are saying.

I never said he was. I do not think he went around taking other peoples wives though. then try to hide it.

It's not what one thinks that matter. If one wants to accuse, he'd better have evidence and other witnesses.

yeah there was a man named nathan.

Thanks for admitting.

did you see David go around asking for a sacrifice in the temple to have his sin forgiven? did you see him fear the loss of his salvation due to his grave sins?

Did you read Psalm 51 which David wrote after Nathan came to confront him?

if anything, David shows true grace and forgiveness. And true knowledge of what it means to be a child of God. Forgiven forever.

It's not the question here. I'm talking about your false accusations against David (rape) and Abraham (adultery).

 

[chubbena]

And I understand you walk around judging people as loving to sin, and excuse it, thus they believe in eternal security, when here you are excusing the sin of people.

Typical of legalistic believers.

Would you stop all these false accusations when you run out of answers? It only shows how judgmental you are.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Would you stop all these false accusations when you run out of answers? It only shows how judgmental you are.

I already answered you.

if you do not like my answers. thats too bad.

I am not being judgmental. just truthfull. I am not the one judging people for excusing their sin and saying salvation is gained or lost by how good or bad we are.. now am I?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

[/B]Come again? I am not quite sure what you are saying.[/COLOR]

It's not what one thinks that matter. If one wants to accuse, he'd better have evidence and other witnesses.

[/B]Thanks for admitting.Did you read Psalm 51 which David wrote after Nathan came to confront him?


It's not the question here. I'm talking about your false accusations against David (rape) and Abraham (adultery).

yeah I did,

David said sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire. he understood there is NOTHING he could do to be forgiven. He was totally worthy of eternal damnation based on those two sins alone.

and sorry. if you do not think abraham commited adultry, by sleaping with another woman, thats sad.

maybe david did not rape. i will give you that. (although I think a king who takes any woman is using his power to use her, and to me that is rape) but he still sinned.

I guess you will deny that?

 

[oldernotwiser]

i have to respond to the anti catholic posts. i am in shenzhen china and have found mass at st anthony's catholic church to be the closest i have been to feeling a part of christs body in years. the protestant churches here (both house churches and three self) are rigidly calvinist and far from the pain seen on the streets everyday. the last time i attended a house church, i lost a friend. the pastor had taken a group of us (all foreigners) to pizza hut and spent 70 or 80 usd. on the way back to the church there was a beggar and i stopped and gave him one or two yuan. i dont speak chinese so i just blessed him and held his hand. as i walked away i looked back and saw the pastor and my friend had stopped and were saying something to the beggar. hope, my friend then caught up with me and said "he told him you were a christian." she became quite upset when i asked why he didnt ask where he slept last night. i was told that i was being disrespectful. i became a lot more disrespectful after the sermon. he preached the story of lazurus and dives, the rich man and the beggar, and focussed on the pain and horror of hell. other than in the scripture reading, the reason the rich man ended up there wasnt mentioned. st anthonys not only has social ministries, but the first sunday i attended i asked a priest if i could take communion. "are you a baptized christian?" when i said "yes" he looked at me and said: "well why not?" i think that if we could think as that priest does, christs body would be a lot stronger.

 

[phil112]

This is the one practice I openly challenge. What St. Louis meant by this original thirty day consecration vs. what many of my brothers and sisters have turned it into is blasphemy. I stand with many Catholics, such as Matthew Kelly, and often argue over this practice.

I can only hope that our voice will be that of Paul scolding Peter.

But the open knowledge that the catholic church is anti-christ, in spite of what they say, has not compelled you to reject false doctrine and follow Christ. Christ is our intermediary, not mary. To say otherwise is to reject Christ.