It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[Atwood]

The scriptures do not say the saved persevere, it says you must persevere to be saved.

False, & you quote no verse.

Here is an example where scripture says that the saved persevere:

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all are not of us.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

 

[Atwood]

Parables are not used as proof ? Yes they are because they are the words from our Lord Jesus. To say they are not proof is to deny what Jesus said which unfortunately a lot of people do now days. They only go by half of what He said, or they try and say only part of what He said still applies.

No parables are not used to prove doctrines, they illustrate doctrines. Parables even hide truth until they are explained in didactic language. And no, the Lord Jesus never said that unexplained parables prove doctrine. He did say that they hide doctrine.

 

[Atwood]

Jesus did not teach OSAS, he taught you had to persevere to the end to be saved.

False, & you quote no scripture. You waste time just pontificating.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Words of Jesus;

Matthew 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

In other translations it also reads, he who perseveres to the end shall be saved.

Notice by Jesus words you must endure / persevere to the end to be saved. ( Not saved automatically )

No he did not.

He taught eternal life not conditional life based on persevering.

That passage speaks of persevering in the great tribulation at the end of the age until he returns. and speaks of being saved physically. not eternally.

Try looking at context for a change.

 

[Atwood]

Yes demons do believe in the trinity, but do to their blasphemous and evil works ways they are cast away. Just like the bible compares us to the angels who have left heaven to come down on earth. They were once in heaven, but now are lost and also are set aside for fiery damnation. We are no different the scriptures say from them, if we follow the ways of our Lord but then turn back to the ways of the world and produce bad works we lose that salvation.

So you see that if men once hold propositional truth, it does not mean they are saved. Evil men can believe the Trinity, then deny it. That does not prove they were ever saved.

Angels never were saved. They were created holy & fell -- but Christ did not save any of the fallen ones; He did not die for their sins. With man it is different, for Christ paid for our sins. No one in the Bible ever is said to lose salvation. In fact the two words lose & salvation never occur in the Bible together in one verse.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Yes but you forgot the first part. You can not take just one scripture, you have to use all our Lords teachings.

Put together: "But he who perseveres to end shall be saved, and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. "

False, & you quote no scripture. You waste time just pontificating.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Words of Jesus;

Matthew 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

In other translations it also reads, he who perseveres to the end shall be saved.

Notice by Jesus words you must endure / persevere to the end to be saved. ( Not saved automatically )

The context is the end of the age, and the great tribulation. Not eternal salvation.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all[SUP][a][/SUP] these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences,[SUP][b][/SUP] and earthquakes in various places. [SUP]8 [/SUP]All these are the beginning of sorrows.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But he who endures to the end shall be saved. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

The context is the end of the age, during the great tribulation The context is living through all that hell and persecustion until Christ returns.

CONTEXT! we can not pul a verse out of the bible and make it say anything we want, that is NOT being true to the word.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes but you forgot the first part. You can not take just one scripture, you have to use all our Lords teachings.

Put together: "But he who perseveres to end shall be saved, and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. "

We can;t because they contradict each other. Scripture can not contradict. Those two terms in your interpretation do not fit.

If we interpret enduring with the tribulation. And enduring through hardhip to continue to be alive when the lord returns, Yuo will be saved (physically. THEN the two phrases do not contradict each other.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Jesus spoke them and also explained what they meant. And I just did give a scripture from Matthew 24 that showed Jesus saying that you must endure or persevere to the end to be saved.

No parables are not used to prove doctrines, they illustrate doctrines. Parables even hide truth until they are explained in didactic language. And no, the Lord Jesus never said that unexplained parables prove doctrine. He did say that they hide doctrine.

 

[kennethcadwell]

They do not contradict each other. They only contradict because you make them contradict do to belief in being saved automatically when you accept Jesus. The scriptures though say to persevere to the end to be saved, and then that is when you receive the eternal life that will never perish.

We can;t because they contradict each other. Scripture can not contradict. Those two terms in your interpretation do not fit.

If we interpret enduring with the tribulation. And enduring through hardhip to continue to be alive when the lord returns, Yuo will be saved (physically. THEN the two phrases do not contradict each other.

 

[Sinnner]

OSAS is satanism. The most prolific satinist of the 20th century was a man named Aliester Crowly. He said "the whole of the law is, "do what thou wilt" referring to satanism. Satan said to Eve in the garden " you will not surely die". You can see the similarities between what satan said to Eve in the garden. He told her, you don't have to do what God has said, you can "do what thou wilt and you will surely not die". OSAS says " hey you got saved once, now you can do what thou wilt and will not surely die". How can your version of Christianity be so simular to satanism yet not be. Do the research. Satanism is based on the premise of being the opposite of Christianity, they even say the Lord's Prayer backwards. Why would anyone follow a so called Christian doctrine (OSAS) that mirrors satanism. It's (OSAS) roots are in satanism and this fact is clear when you do the research and you are not blinded and given over to believe a lie. The world loves OSAS. DO WHAT THOU WILT = OSAS = SATANISM.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They do not contradict each other. They only contradict because you make them contradict do to belief in being saved automatically when you accept Jesus. The scriptures though say to persevere to the end to be saved, and then that is when you receive the eternal life that will never perish.

Yes they do.

God can not give you eternal life. and then demand you persevere till the end.

And I already proved you took that passage out of context. Jesus was speaking of the great tribulation. and those alive during that time. Not you and I and people for the last 2000 years. You are misinterpreting what he said and taking him out of context.

 

[tourist]

OSAS is satanism. The most prolific satinist of the 20th century was a man named Aliester Crowly. He said "the whole of the law is, "do what thou wilt" referring to satanism. Satan said to Eve in the garden " you will not surely die". You can see the similarities between what satan said to Eve in the garden. He told her, you don't have to do what God has said, you can "do what thou wilt and you will surely not die". OSAS says " hey you got saved once, now you can do what thou wilt and will not surely die". How can your version of Christianity be so simular to satanism yet not be. Do the research. Satanism is based on the premise of being the opposite of Christianity, they even say the Lord's Prayer backwards. Why would anyone follow a so called Christian doctrine (OSAS) that mirrors satanism. It's (OSAS) roots are in satanism and this fact is clear when you do the research and you are not blinded and given over to believe a lie. The world loves OSAS. DO WHAT THOU WILT = OSAS = SATANISM.

When you are born again your old spirit dies and you take on the spirit of the Lord. Either he died for our sins or he didn't. Jesus said that of those that were given to him not one was lost. I do not want to do research on Satan. I want to focus on God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

OSAS is satanism.

Legalism, and salvation by human merit has been satans lie since cain and abel. Cain got pissed God rejected his human good, and accepted Abels work of faith which showed how man is redeemed (by the blood of an innocent)

It comes in many shapes and sizes. From many works and sacraments, to just a few.

so be glad. Your not alone, and your not the first to fall for satan's lie. Many millions have joined you in your quest to hold self over God and deny his promise.

 

[newbirth]

James is talking to former devout jews and followers of the law. Who have heard the gospel of faith in Christ apart from the law. WHo have yet to place their true faith in Christ, proven by their lack of work.

James said zero work. zero faith. He is not talking to people who at one time had true faith, and fallen away. This is a grose misunderstanding of James. and makes james contradict what Paul later preached to those who believe salvation must be gained by human merit. or can be lost by lack of human merit.

James is talking to former devout jews and followers of the law. Who have heard the gospel of faith in Christ apart from the law. WHo have yet to place their true faith in Christ, proven by their lack of work.

so these are not saved evident by their lack of work so one has to work to prove their true faith to show they are saved


James said zero work. zero faith. He is not talking to people who at one time had true faith, and fallen away. This is a grose misunderstanding of James. and makes james contradict what Paul later preached to those who believe salvation must be gained by human merit. or can be lost by lack of human merit.

So when one is saved or at one time had true faith and fallen away zero work zero faith does not apply to them

 

[Hoffco]

To eternally-grateful, There is a depth of Scripture that you can never see, because you keep judging the Bible as stupidity. You need to repent and teach the WHOLE word of GOd. Love to you and to all, Hoffco

 

[Sinnner]

Legalism, and salvation by human merit has been satans lie since cain and abel. Cain got pissed God rejected his human good, and accepted Abels work of faith which showed how man is redeemed (by the blood of an innocent)

It comes in many shapes and sizes. From many works and sacraments, to just a few.

so be glad. Your not alone, and your not the first to fall for satan's lie. Many millions have joined you in your quest to hold self over God and deny his promise.

I'm not a legalist. I trust in Jesus.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm not a legalist. I trust in Jesus.

You do not trust in eternal life. That Jesus will continue to do a good work in you till the end. He will never leave nor forsake you. He will keep his promise to yuo as your abba father.

You trust self. Not jesus. If you trusted jesus, You would believe his gift is eternal. not conditional. And he will keep his promise.

 

[kennethcadwell]

You didn't prove anything because the whole chapter of Matthew 24 applies to us now and the end of the age. For it talks about the birth pains that we must go through first and are going through now before the tribulation period starts, and for all that persevere through all this will be saved into eternal life.

Yes they do.

God can not give you eternal life. and then demand you persevere till the end.

And I already proved you took that passage out of context. Jesus was speaking of the great tribulation. and those alive during that time. Not you and I and people for the last 2000 years. You are misinterpreting what he said and taking him out of context.

 

[Atwood]

When you are born again your old spirit dies and you take on the spirit of the Lord. Either he died for our sins or he didn't. Jesus said that of those that were given to him not one was lost. I do not want to do research on Satan. I want to focus on God.

tourist,
At the new birth a sinner is re-created. It is not that the old disappears and then something new comes into existence. The old becomes new (2 Cor 5). The spirit is re-created (that which is born of the S/spirit is spirit). "take on"? I would say indwelled by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not a substitute for the human spirit. We don't form a theanthropic union = to that of the Lord Jesus.

It is true that the Old Man is crucified, but crucified does not mean it disappears. It still gives its opinions (Gal 5 the flesh lusts)

It is great to focus on the Lord.