It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security
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Again NewB, I commend you for actually giving attention to the Word. Now don't you think that James justifies the concept of "true faith" by referring to unsaving faith like demons have (believing that, believing that God is one, for example, is not saving faith.)
Or should we say dependent-faith, instead of true faith? That is, there is objective faith (I believe that) and dependent faith (I believe in you).
NewB, is it time for you to actually trust the Lord Jesus to get you to Heaven, instead of just giving you a shot at it?
Or should we say dependent-faith, instead of true faith? That is, there is objective faith (I believe that) and dependent faith (I believe in you).
NewB, is it time for you to actually trust the Lord Jesus to get you to Heaven, instead of just giving you a shot at it?
K
I showed a study that anybody can go and read and research to see what the early church taught. Sorry but there are numerous records that were kept, all you have to do is do the research. I just gave the starting point for those wanted to find the truth to start their research to uncover it. I already did and found this out, that is why I am trying so hard to get others to do the research and check it out beside just reading scriptures and going by what others have been teaching the past recent generations.
E
Since when is a dead faith (a faith that has no life) true faith?
They did not have faith at all. They had belief. If they had faith they would have done the works.
You do not say I have faith I am a sinner, then deny that sin is sin and continue to live in it. You may believe you are a sinner, but you do not trust what God says about sin at all. Thats why you show no works.
As for the defenition of faith. I get it from the greek word from whence it comes. Faith, A complete trust. An assurance of what is promised will happen. Or even use the biblical defenition. Faith is the substance of things HOPED FOR. the evidence of things not seen.
1. If you can see it, it is not faith.
2. If you have hope. you will act on that hope. if you do not have hope. your faith is dead (non existent.)
Faith of a mustard seed can move mountains. If it can move mountains, It will do works.
Lack of faith does no work. because it is dead.
Anyone who has any amount of faith will be saved, this is proven when Christ healed the child. even though the man only had little faith.
As God says, Even when we are faithless. he is faithfull. he can not deny himself. So why do you make God deny himself? (his own promise)
No the problem is lack of faith. If one had faith, they would work. This is what James is saying. Abraham did the work, because he had faith, it was not dead (non existent)
The whole book of james is telling people to test their faith. Stop trying to nit pick certain things, and ignore the rest. That is the context of the whole book.
what you fail to realize is ...
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Dead men don't earn anything, they walk in newness of life, that is obedience to God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Dead men don't earn anything, they walk in newness of life, that is obedience to God.
E
They did not.
You misinterpret what they taught.
The whole first 2 chapters of ephesians is all about osas. So is the book of romans.
So is titus (not based on my works. But Gods mercy, he saved me)
Again, Stop listening to men. We already see in the epistles and Revelation how so many false teachers where already in the church at the time of righting of scripture. These men had gained such great ground. it is no wonder they were still listened to after the scripture was complete.
Also the roman church destroyed most documents which went against their own legalistic teaching of sacramental works to earn salvation. SO you can not trust anything but the word of God.
You misinterpret what they taught.
The whole first 2 chapters of ephesians is all about osas. So is the book of romans.
So is titus (not based on my works. But Gods mercy, he saved me)
Again, Stop listening to men. We already see in the epistles and Revelation how so many false teachers where already in the church at the time of righting of scripture. These men had gained such great ground. it is no wonder they were still listened to after the scripture was complete.
Also the roman church destroyed most documents which went against their own legalistic teaching of sacramental works to earn salvation. SO you can not trust anything but the word of God.
E
How can you walk away if God will not let go
How can yuo walk away if God will leave the whole flock to regather his lost sheep. And his sheep hear his voice and follow him.
Your not walking away my friend, If your truly saved, yuo would never want to. If you ever want to. You have never experienced Gods grace, John makes this clear. They left. for they were never of us, Not because they chose to throw away something they were actually given.
How can yuo walk away if God will leave the whole flock to regather his lost sheep. And his sheep hear his voice and follow him.
Your not walking away my friend, If your truly saved, yuo would never want to. If you ever want to. You have never experienced Gods grace, John makes this clear. They left. for they were never of us, Not because they chose to throw away something they were actually given.
E
lol. I fear God. Out of respect and aww.
But as paul said, I was not given a spirit of fear to be in bondage again, But a spirit of adoption. Whereby I cry out abba father.
If you fear Gods judgment, You have never come to a saving faith. period. Because you deny every promise God said he would give to ALL his adopted children.
But as paul said, I was not given a spirit of fear to be in bondage again, But a spirit of adoption. Whereby I cry out abba father.
If you fear Gods judgment, You have never come to a saving faith. period. Because you deny every promise God said he would give to ALL his adopted children.
K
I did not misinterpret anything EG. I did research on the early church and what was taught. Not misinterpreting scriptures.
And in the research it showed from Peter and Paul for the first 500 years of the church taught one could lose salvation. I pray to God in Jesus name that you will do the research yourself. It is time consuming, but it is for a good cause. The seeking of the truth.
The roman church destroying the documents is a false ploy put on by the Roman Catholic church. The recorded history of the early church is still able to find and read. As a matter of fact, and most people don't know this but the Catholic church still holds most of those documents in their vault.
And in the research it showed from Peter and Paul for the first 500 years of the church taught one could lose salvation. I pray to God in Jesus name that you will do the research yourself. It is time consuming, but it is for a good cause. The seeking of the truth.
The roman church destroying the documents is a false ploy put on by the Roman Catholic church. The recorded history of the early church is still able to find and read. As a matter of fact, and most people don't know this but the Catholic church still holds most of those documents in their vault.
Kenneth, do you actually read what I post to you? The Sheep & Goat Judgment of Mat 25:31ff is not the plan of salvation. It is a judgment. The words save & salvation do not occur there. The whole Judgment is not about "someone" or "others."
You have been misreading & mishearing Mat 25 so long, it seems, that you are blind.
Mat 25:31ff is the Sheep & Goat Judgment. Those are 2 groups, sheep & goats. They are judged for how they treated Christ's brethren during the Tribulation!
The topic is not salvation, but judgment. And if you die before the Tribulation, never having trusted Christ & entering the Church, then there is no chance of you being at that judgment. No member of Christ's Church will be there either. Our Judgment happens at the Bema Judgment Seat of Christ. If you die before the Tribulation, you will be raised after the Millennium (Rev 20) to the Great White Throne Judgment, & from there to the Lake of Fire when your works are judged. Judgment generally is by works. But salvation is always by grace through faith.
At Christ's return to earth to take over, a decision is made as to which gentiles enter the Israelite/Davidic Kingdom of God. Those who mistreated Christ's brethren show they were never saved & go to perdition. All that are left are those who treated Christ's brethren well, & they go into eternal life starting in the Millennium.
I realize this parable has been applied umpteen times to the idea that the Lord Jesus identifies with the poor, & when you treat the poor, you treat Him. But such is alien to the passage. No unsaved poor person is identified with Christ.
Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.
You have been misreading & mishearing Mat 25 so long, it seems, that you are blind.
Mat 25:31ff is the Sheep & Goat Judgment. Those are 2 groups, sheep & goats. They are judged for how they treated Christ's brethren during the Tribulation!
The topic is not salvation, but judgment. And if you die before the Tribulation, never having trusted Christ & entering the Church, then there is no chance of you being at that judgment. No member of Christ's Church will be there either. Our Judgment happens at the Bema Judgment Seat of Christ. If you die before the Tribulation, you will be raised after the Millennium (Rev 20) to the Great White Throne Judgment, & from there to the Lake of Fire when your works are judged. Judgment generally is by works. But salvation is always by grace through faith.
At Christ's return to earth to take over, a decision is made as to which gentiles enter the Israelite/Davidic Kingdom of God. Those who mistreated Christ's brethren show they were never saved & go to perdition. All that are left are those who treated Christ's brethren well, & they go into eternal life starting in the Millennium.
I realize this parable has been applied umpteen times to the idea that the Lord Jesus identifies with the poor, & when you treat the poor, you treat Him. But such is alien to the passage. No unsaved poor person is identified with Christ.
Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.
E
I did to. By using Gods inspired word. the ONLY words which should be trusted.
Are you going to trust uninspired men? or the imnpired word of God?
Then go become a catholic. ( you are one anyway in part) because history in the words of men shows the roman church was the only church.
Again, In rome's own documents, they destroyed any and all books which taught anythign different than what they believed in, Anything they called heresy. Do you think they would spare any books which showed anyone believed in eternal security?
God promised to keep his word pure. not the words of men. Israel should have proven that. Their history books proved jesus was a heretic. So much for how good those history books did the jews now isnt it?
lol.. Ok.. Lets make the same mistake the jews made.
Jesus is a heretic. History proves it (rolls eyes)
E
Your own.. It is yours. It is already in your posession. Also called eternal life. passed from death to life. Justified Redeemed, Adopted as sons of God so on and so forth.
Now use it. With fear and trembling why?
Not because you may lose it. But because you are lights in a dark and wicked world. Youright bro. I fear that anything I do would cause my lamp to birn out and make me ineefective to preach the word of God and make new disciples.
Paul feard this very same thing, He never feared he would lose his salvation. He knew he was a wretched man who did not earn anythign God gave him. His very ministry and life wads a gift. Eben his tribulations and sufferings were a gift.
Now use it. With fear and trembling why?
Not because you may lose it. But because you are lights in a dark and wicked world. Youright bro. I fear that anything I do would cause my lamp to birn out and make me ineefective to preach the word of God and make new disciples.
Paul feard this very same thing, He never feared he would lose his salvation. He knew he was a wretched man who did not earn anythign God gave him. His very ministry and life wads a gift. Eben his tribulations and sufferings were a gift.