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I don't know why you believe instruction from God is bad. I look forward to God teaching me the ways of life so that I can live.

I don't believe instruction from God is bad., it's just that the Sabbath was not instructed to the Church, only Israel, unless you want to include Hebrews 3 and 4 ; which you don't seem to want to.

Now as far as Hebrews 4 goes, you are making it say something that it's not. The Gospel that was preached to them is the same one that is preached us, which is the promise of the coming kingdom. They all looked forward to the promise but died without receiving the promise.
They did have promises thru the Abrahamic Covenant which were not annulled thru the Mosaic Covenant. But the Abrahamic Covenant did not say 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved". The disciples of Christ didn't have a clue about His impending death and resurrection.
But it is true, we both, Israel and the Church are to enter into His rest through faith in the Promises of God.

Do you believe the people in Joshua's day kept the Sabbath? Do you think that if they believed the Gospel they wouldn't have to keep the Sabbath? What God is saying in Hebrews 4 is that there is a kingdom coming that is good news for the people. The people of old were looking forward to it. This kingdom is a finished work just like creation is a finished work. Why? Because the kingdom of God was in the mind and plan of God as a finished work from the foundation of the world.
I'm not denying the Millennial rest if that is what you are pointing to. What has that to do with Saturday observance?
Matthew 25:34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

If you put you hope and trust in the promise of the coming kingdom we can find rest in the promise of God.
Your Matthew reference is not dealing with the Church, that is dealing with the saved Gentiles from the Tribulation period allowed to pass into the Kingdom reign of Christ.
Hebrews 4 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: “So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest,’” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Just like the Sabbath is guaranteed every week that testifies of God's finished work in creation the Gospel of the coming kingdom is also a guarantee.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

There is nothing in these verses that say Jesus removes the seventh day Sabbath. You are just trying to make them say it.

Did you know that the Apostles were preaching the Gospel with Jesus for three years and they didn't even know Jesus was going to be crucified?
They were preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom before the King was rejected in Matt 12 when the leaders called Him a devil. Afterwards Jesus began revealing to His disciples the mystery of the Church e.g. Mt 16:18 (I will build my Church) and his impending death and resurrection. Even still they were bucking against the idea He was going to die...so how can you say earlier they were preaching the (Church) Gospel?
 
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I don't believe instruction from God is bad., it's just that the Sabbath was not instructed to the Church, only Israel, unless you want to include Hebrews 3 and 4 ; which you don't seem to want to.


They did have promises thru the Abrahamic Covenant which were not annulled thru the Mosaic Covenant. But the Abrahamic Covenant did not say 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved". The disciples of Christ didn't have a clue about His impending death and resurrection.
But it is true, we both, Israel and the Church are to enter into His rest through faith in the Promises of God.

I'm not denying the Millennial rest if that is what you are pointing to. What has that to do with Saturday observance?

Your Matthew reference is not dealing with the Church, that is dealing with the saved Gentiles from the Tribulation period allowed to pass into the Kingdom reign of Christ.

They were preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom before the King was rejected in Matt 12 when the leaders called Him a devil. Afterwards Jesus began revealing to His disciples the mystery of the Church e.g. Mt 16:18 (I will build my Church) and his impending death and resurrection. Even still they were bucking against the idea He was going to die...so how can you say earlier they were preaching the (Church) Gospel?
If you believe the Gospel of Jesus dying for our sin brings a rest that does away with the seventh day Sabbath then why didn't the Gospel do away with the Sabbath during the time of Joshua. They had the same Gospel to believe. That's because Hebrews 4 is not referring to a rest we have in Jesus, but rater, the promised rest of the coming kingdom, which is the foundation of the Gospel. Without the coming Kingdom there is no need for the cross. The promise of the coming kingdom was the joy that was set before Jesus that empower Him to suffer the cross. No coming kingdom, no need for Jesus or the cross.

By the way, the word church is not even biblical. It was called the assembly and always has been called the assembly. The assembly didn't replace Israel. The assembly now includes Gentiles who are grafted into the Israel assembly, which is who the new covenant is made with.
 
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But you can use common sense. Is there something in our world used as they used Asherah poles?


Sure, there are things analogous.

If we follow all text literally, we would have to quit our jobs and buy a farm.
So you can't follow it as written. That's my point.

Do you think God wants us to do that?
I don't think he does, but I'm not the one requiring people to observe the ten commandments.

How about slave treatment to explain justice? Do you think we should throw out all God teaches because we can't follow the letter of the law?
I think we can clearly see principles that underlie the commands and apply appropriately. Principles appear to be things like: Love the Lord your God; love your neighbor as yourself.

We are told not follow law, and we are told not to follow the letter of the law.
Ok.

Your point seems to be that if you can't follow the letter of the law, it is best to throw out the scripture about the law. That makes no sense.


That wasn't my point.
 
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I don't believe instruction from God is bad., it's just that the Sabbath was not instructed to the Church, only Israel, unless you want to include Hebrews 3 and 4 ; which you don't seem to want to.
I understand that you are convinced that the God of Israel is not your God, and I am convinced that the God of Israel is our God, too. I feel sure God is the God of all, that there is only one God and God works for and with mankind.

Thousands of years ago most people did not accept God but created Gods. When God created a separate race through Abraham it was for our sakes, to lead us away from such false ideas that lead to our death. God asked Hebrews to keep apart from us. When Christ came, part of His work was to unite us into one race again. When you say that all God taught the Hebrews had nothing to do with you, you are making one of the works of Christ of no effect.

Please search the covenant with Abraham and check scripture to search it to see if I am wrong about this or not. Follow in Romans especially, and all through the NT to see what God says about the Hebrews with this in mind. I am sure you will find I am right, and all God told of in the OT about what his principles are, those principles are for us as well as the Hebrews.
 

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If you believe the Gospel of Jesus dying for our sin brings a rest that does away with the seventh day Sabbath then why didn't the Gospel do away with the Sabbath during the time of Joshua. They had the same Gospel to believe. That's because Hebrews 4 is not referring to a rest we have in Jesus, but rater, the promised rest of the coming kingdom, which is the foundation of the Gospel. Without the coming Kingdom there is no need for the cross. The promise of the coming kingdom was the joy that was set before Jesus that empower Him to suffer the cross. No coming kingdom, no need for Jesus or the cross.

By the way, the word church is not even biblical. It was called the assembly and always has been called the assembly. The assembly didn't replace Israel. The assembly now includes Gentiles who are grafted into the Israel assembly, which is who the new covenant is made with.
I guess you never heard of the New Covenant? Joshua kept the Sabbath as they were under the Mosaic Covenant.
Church=ekklessia=called out one.
Assembly=synogogue= assembly.
Church is not biblical? Look it up in the Greek.

Heb 3&4 not referring to our rest in Jesus?
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
(Heb 3:14)

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
(Heb 4:1-3)

It was not the same Gospel, it was the same God, who justified the same way...by faith.
Here is the Gospel by which if believed we enter His rest (and cease from our works of merit)

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(1Co 15:1-4)
 
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Sure, there are things analogous.

So you can't follow it as written. That's my point.

I don't think he does, but I'm not the one requiring people to observe the ten commandments.

I think we can clearly see principles that underlie the commands and apply appropriately. Principles appear to be things like: Love the Lord your God; love your neighbor as yourself.
Ok.

That wasn't my point.
Your point is that you can't follow it as written, and my point is that it is written to be read in spirit and truth, and you can follow it in that way. It is only in following the letter of the law (we aren't to do that) that you can't follow. You say love the Lord, etc. and one of the commandments you list is about Asherah poles. Obviously love God or man is not about poles. But going to God with our problems rather than only man made ideas for answers is. They would be like Asherah poles.
 

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I understand that you are convinced that the God of Israel is not your God, and I am convinced that the God of Israel is our God, too. I feel sure God is the God of all, that there is only one God and God works for and with mankind.
How did you come to understand that the God of Israel is not my God.
Did it ever occur to you that God has two 'programs' going? Israel and the Church.
I know some like to have the Church replace Israel and some have Israel replace the Church.
To me, same God, Israel and the Church are dealt differently by the One God.
 
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I guess you never heard of the New Covenant? Joshua kept the Sabbath as they were under the Mosaic Covenant.

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(1Co 15:1-4)
Lets get clear what the new and old covenant is.

First, salvation from the beginning of time has been through blood, Christ's blood. A symbol of it was used, but it wasn't completely effective. Christ's blood is used it is part of the new covenant. We must have faith, it has always been so. We cannot achieve salvation through works, it has always been so, it is through grace. The new covenant covers all the real blood of Christ does for us, the new High Priest, salvation rather than atonement, the Holy Spirit, many thing. Now, we have that taken care of, but it isn't a license to sin.

Now--separate and apart we have how God loves and cares for us. It is through the commandments. We are blessed and rewarded in this life (salvation is aside from this) when we keep them, to break them always results in something unpleasant for us. Bible calls it a curse. The new covenant that does so many wonderful things for us does not touch this bible truth.
 

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Lets get clear what the new and old covenant is.

First, salvation from the beginning of time has been through blood, Christ's blood. A symbol of it was used, but it wasn't completely effective. Christ's blood is used it is part of the new covenant. We must have faith, it has always been so. We cannot achieve salvation through works, it has always been so, it is through grace. The new covenant covers all the real blood of Christ does for us, the new High Priest, salvation rather than atonement, the Holy Spirit, many thing. Now, we have that taken care of, but it isn't a license to sin.

Now--separate and apart we have how God loves and cares for us. It is through the commandments. We are blessed and rewarded in this life (salvation is aside from this) when we keep them, to break them always results in something unpleasant for us. Bible calls it a curse. The new covenant that does so many wonderful things for us does not touch this bible truth.
So the Holy Spirit who writes His nature on our hearts in the new birth does not touch that bible truth? Did it ever occur to you that His commandments are a very reflection of that new nature?
 
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I guess you never heard of the New Covenant? Joshua kept the Sabbath as they were under the Mosaic Covenant.
Church=ekklessia=called out one.
Assembly=synogogue= assembly.
Church is not biblical? Look it up in the Greek.

Heb 3&4 not referring to our rest in Jesus?
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
(Heb 3:14)

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
(Heb 4:1-3)

It was not the same Gospel, it was the same God, who justified the same way...by faith.
Here is the Gospel by which if believed we enter His rest (and cease from our works of merit)

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(1Co 15:1-4)
One Gospel for all. They had the same Gospel we have today. "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them"

The death of Jesus is surely a Gospel but without the Gospel of the kingdom the death of Jesus really has no value or meaning. For without the coming kingdom tomorrow we die and that's the end.

God is equating the finished work of creation with the finished work of the coming kingdom. The Sabbath is used to reminied us of how guaranteed the finished work is of both creations. Therefore since the Sabbath is a reminder of the coming kingdom let us keep the Sabbath. "There remains therefore a (rest) for the people of God" The word (rest) here is the word, sabbatismos, which is the literal seventh day Sabbath.

Sabbatismos: Sabbath in Christianity is a weekly day of rest or religious observance, derived from Biblical Sabbath. Seventh-day Sabbath observance, i.e., resting from hard labor from sunset to sunset on the seventh day, similarly to Shabbat in Judaism, is practiced by seventh-day Sabbatarians. ...

 
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One Gospel for all. They had the same Gospel we have today. "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them"

The death of Jesus is surely a Gospel but without the Gospel of the kingdom the death of Jesus really has no value or meaning. For without the coming kingdom tomorrow we die and that's the end.

God is equating the finished work of creation with the finished work of the coming kingdom. The Sabbath is used to reminied us of how guaranteed the finished work is of both creations. Therefore since the Sabbath is a reminder of the coming kingdom let us keep the Sabbath. "There remains therefore a (rest) for the people of God" The word (rest) here is the word, sabbatismos, which is the literal seventh day Sabbath.

Sabbatismos: Sabbath in Christianity is a weekly day of rest or religious observance, derived from Biblical Sabbath. Seventh-day Sabbath observance, i.e., resting from hard labor from sunset to sunset on the seventh day, similarly to Shabbat in Judaism, is practiced by seventh-day Sabbatarians. ...

In the Abrahamic Covenant the land of Israel was promised (and then some)...do you think that is promised to the Church too?
Do you think the threats of exile from the land (which happened) apply to the Church too?
Israel is not the Church is not Israel. This is the Church's mandate concerning the Sabbath...

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:16)

with this principle...

Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
(Rom 14:3-4)


Name just one place in the NT where it is commanded to the Church to keep the Sabbath (Sat. or Sun).
 
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The physical sabbath was for those in the old testament under the old law. The spiritual sabbath is when all God's children will rest with Him in that eternal day. Gentiles were not under any part of the old testament laws including sabbath (with all due respect- not arguing here, just saying). In Acts 15:10 there's a story about how the Gentiles were afraid they would have to be physically circumcised because some of the jews were saying they had to, but they were corrected for saying that cause the Gentiles were not under the old covenant... " Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?
 

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In the Abrahamic Covenant the land of Israel was promised (and then some)...do you think that is promised to the Church too?
Do you think the threats of exile from the land (which happened) apply to the Church too?
Israel is not the Church is not Israel. This is the Church's mandate concerning the Sabbath...

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:16)

with this principle...

Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
(Rom 14:3-4)


Name just one place in the NT where it is commanded to the Church to keep the Sabbath (Sat. or Sun).
Acts 2:44-47
[SUP]44 [/SUP]And all those who had believed were together and had all things in common; [SUP]45 [/SUP]and they began selling their property and possessions and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need. [SUP]46 [/SUP]Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, [SUP]47 [/SUP]praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved.

Romans 12:1
[ Dedicated Service ] Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

We are told to give our lives to Christ. And the closest thing to a command (as some consider Acts 20:7 - On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.) is to meet daily - not Sunday, not Saturday, but daily.

I don't know why I picked this post to respond to; perhaps it was because I agreed with it:).
 
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The physical sabbath was for those in the old testament under the old law. The spiritual sabbath is when all God's children will rest with Him in that eternal day. Gentiles were not under any part of the old testament laws including sabbath (with all due respect- not arguing here, just saying). In Acts 15:10 there's a story about how the Gentiles were afraid they would have to be physically circumcised because some of the jews were saying they had to, but they were corrected for saying that cause the Gentiles were not under the old covenant... " Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?
The seventh day Sabbath never had to be restated, it was already a knows fact and practiced by all those who obey God. Circumcision of the heart was God's plan from the beginning. When the heart is circumcised obeying God from the heart will be the result. There was a huge debate within the early church about whether one needed to be circumcised or not. It almost split the church down the middle but you never hear a debate about the seventh day Sabbath. Keeping the commandments is the goal of the new covenant.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Here is the essence of the new covenant.

Ezekiel 36:24-28 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.
 

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With regards to the title of the thread.......No, but then, we don't have a denomination.......so..........

(look below, read tag line........the Holy Bible does not mislead anyone ever........)
 
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In the Abrahamic Covenant the land of Israel was promised (and then some)...do you think that is promised to the Church too?
Do you think the threats of exile from the land (which happened) apply to the Church too?
Israel is not the Church is not Israel. This is the Church's mandate concerning the Sabbath...

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:16)

with this principle...

Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
(Rom 14:3-4)


Name just one place in the NT where it is commanded to the Church to keep the Sabbath (Sat. or Sun).
The promise to God's people is an inheritance of land. In the old testament it was pictured as the promise land flowing with milk and honey but the final inheritance will be the whole earth.

Psalm 37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off; But those who wait on the Lord, They shall inherit the earth.

Psalm 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth, And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

Psalm 37:22 For those blessed by Him shall inherit the earth, But those cursed by Him shall be cut off.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth.
The teachings and life example of Jesus defines the Law of God. It wasn't that He had to tell people to keep the Sabbath, they were already keeping the Sabbath. What He did have to do is teach us how to keep the Sabbath. The teachings of Jesus gives us freedom on the Sabbath not freedom from the Sabbath. He never, not even once, talked about Sunday.

You know the funny thing is that people say they don't have to honor the seventh day because Jesus never said, "Thou shall keep the Sabbath". The same argument is used for promoting homosexuality. They say Jesus never said homosexuality was a sin so it's not.







 
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Hebrews 11:13-16
[SUP]13 [/SUP]All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.

1 Corinthians 3:1-3
And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able, [SUP]3 [/SUP]for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?

Hebrews 5:7-14
[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, [SUP]10 [/SUP]being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and
evil.

Daniel 7:21-22
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them [SUP]22 [/SUP]until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.
Matthew 21:42-45
[SUP]42 [/SUP]Jesus *said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures,
‘The stone which the builders rejected,
This became the chief corner stone;
This came about from the Lord,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?


[SUP]43 [/SUP]Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it. [SUP]44 [/SUP]And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust.”
[SUP]45 [/SUP]When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them.

Daniel 2:35
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them was found. But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.
 

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The PROMISE to God's people under the First Covenant ALWAYS WAS A MESSIAH............goodness........

The PROMISE to God's people under the New Covenant IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE Eternal Life!.......goodness....

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The PROMISE to God's people under the First Covenant ALWAYS WAS A MESSIAH............goodness........

The PROMISE to God's people under the New Covenant IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE Eternal Life!.......goodness....

[ sigh ]
show me that from the Bible please you are mixed up
 
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Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

that is the new covenant
after Jesus came and died


bith covenants had keeping the law

the first by animal sacrifices and the second by the power of Jesus blood