Follow up thoughts of the "RAPTURE" from previous post!
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Agreed. That's why there is no rapture associated with Christ Jesus' return. Jesus GATHERS he doesn't not Rapture or catch us up. Jesus returns to earth. Jesus brings the martyred saints from the Tribulation with HIM, Rev 20:4-6.
2 Thes 1:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
Mat 24:31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
God the Father "RAPTURES" or "CATCHES UP" 1 Thes 4 has nothing to do with Christ's return. This is the return of our FATHER. It identifies GOD clearly as the one returning here.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
God returns at the very end!!! The rapture happens before the earth is burned up. That's when it must happen.
2 Thes 1:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
Mat 24:31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
God the Father "RAPTURES" or "CATCHES UP" 1 Thes 4 has nothing to do with Christ's return. This is the return of our FATHER. It identifies GOD clearly as the one returning here.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
God returns at the very end!!! The rapture happens before the earth is burned up. That's when it must happen.
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Here is the description of the end.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
Rev 16:14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
1 Thes 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord (GOD), that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord (GOD) will by no means precede those who are asleep.
16 For the Lord (GOD) Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord (GOD) in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord (GOD).
You have to study Paul to see how he Paul uses the word, "LORD." When Paul uses the word, "LORD" to describe Christ Jesus he almost always adds "Christ" or "Jesus" to the word LORD. Here are some examples:
1 Corinthians 1:7 NKJV
so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Corinthians 1:8 NKJV
who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
But when Paul does not include "Christ" or "Jesus" he is often referring to the Father which is the case here in 1 Thes 4.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
Rev 16:14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
1 Thes 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord (GOD), that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord (GOD) will by no means precede those who are asleep.
16 For the Lord (GOD) Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord (GOD) in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord (GOD).
You have to study Paul to see how he Paul uses the word, "LORD." When Paul uses the word, "LORD" to describe Christ Jesus he almost always adds "Christ" or "Jesus" to the word LORD. Here are some examples:
1 Corinthians 1:7 NKJV
so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Corinthians 1:8 NKJV
who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
But when Paul does not include "Christ" or "Jesus" he is often referring to the Father which is the case here in 1 Thes 4.
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Please consider this for a while...
Daniel 7:
[SUP]7[/SUP] After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns. [SUP]8[/SUP] I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. [SUP]9[/SUP] I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. [SUP]10[/SUP] A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. [SUP]11[/SUP] I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. [SUP]12[/SUP] As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. [SUP]13[/SUP] I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. [SUP]14[/SUP] And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
The phrase 'Son of man' is referring to Jesus.
The phrase 'Ancient of days' is a reference to God the [ Almighty ] Father.
Verse 13 is describing -- Father and Son - at the same place ( above the earth ) - at the same time -- at the Second Coming of Christ.
The phrase 'I saw in the night visions' presents a "new" thought process...
The time frame for verses 7-8 is before the Second Coming of Christ.
The phrase 'I beheld till' represents a "fast-forward jump ahead"...
The time frame for verses 9-11 is after the 1000-year reign of Christ. ( Judgment Day )
Now - back to "before the jump"...
The time frame for verse 12 is a continuation of verses 7-8.
The phrase 'I saw in the night visions' presents a "new" thought process...
The time frame for verses 13-14 is the Second Coming of Christ.
Please consider this for a while...
Daniel 7:
[SUP]7[/SUP] After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns. [SUP]8[/SUP] I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. [SUP]9[/SUP] I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. [SUP]10[/SUP] A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. [SUP]11[/SUP] I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. [SUP]12[/SUP] As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. [SUP]13[/SUP] I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. [SUP]14[/SUP] And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
The phrase 'Son of man' is referring to Jesus.
The phrase 'Ancient of days' is a reference to God the [ Almighty ] Father.
Verse 13 is describing -- Father and Son - at the same place ( above the earth ) - at the same time -- at the Second Coming of Christ.
The phrase 'I saw in the night visions' presents a "new" thought process...
The time frame for verses 7-8 is before the Second Coming of Christ.
The phrase 'I beheld till' represents a "fast-forward jump ahead"...
The time frame for verses 9-11 is after the 1000-year reign of Christ. ( Judgment Day )
Now - back to "before the jump"...
The time frame for verse 12 is a continuation of verses 7-8.
The phrase 'I saw in the night visions' presents a "new" thought process...
The time frame for verses 13-14 is the Second Coming of Christ.
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Please consider this for a while...
Daniel 7:
[SUP]7[/SUP] After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns. [SUP]8[/SUP] I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. [SUP]9[/SUP] I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. [SUP]10[/SUP] A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. [SUP]11[/SUP] I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. [SUP]12[/SUP] As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. [SUP]13[/SUP] I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. [SUP]14[/SUP] And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
The phrase 'Son of man' is referring to Jesus.
The phrase 'Ancient of days' is a reference to God the [ Almighty ] Father.
Verse 13 is describing -- Father and Son - at the same place ( above the earth ) - at the same time -- at the Second Coming of Christ.
The phrase 'I saw in the night visions' presents a "new" thought process...
The time frame for verses 7-8 is before the Second Coming of Christ.
The phrase 'I beheld till' represents a "fast-forward jump ahead"...
The time frame for verses 9-11 is after the 1000-year reign of Christ. ( Judgment Day )
Now - back to "before the jump"...
The time frame for verse 12 is a continuation of verses 7-8.
The phrase 'I saw in the night visions' presents a "new" thought process...
The time frame for verses 13-14 is the Second Coming of Christ.
Please consider this for a while...
Daniel 7:
[SUP]7[/SUP] After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns. [SUP]8[/SUP] I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. [SUP]9[/SUP] I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. [SUP]10[/SUP] A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. [SUP]11[/SUP] I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. [SUP]12[/SUP] As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. [SUP]13[/SUP] I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. [SUP]14[/SUP] And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
The phrase 'Son of man' is referring to Jesus.
The phrase 'Ancient of days' is a reference to God the [ Almighty ] Father.
Verse 13 is describing -- Father and Son - at the same place ( above the earth ) - at the same time -- at the Second Coming of Christ.
The phrase 'I saw in the night visions' presents a "new" thought process...
The time frame for verses 7-8 is before the Second Coming of Christ.
The phrase 'I beheld till' represents a "fast-forward jump ahead"...
The time frame for verses 9-11 is after the 1000-year reign of Christ. ( Judgment Day )
Now - back to "before the jump"...
The time frame for verse 12 is a continuation of verses 7-8.
The phrase 'I saw in the night visions' presents a "new" thought process...
The time frame for verses 13-14 is the Second Coming of Christ.
We have a clear teaching of Christ raising up the righteous dead on the last day in John 6:40, 44, 54, 11:24, 12:48. This timing agrees with 1 Cor 15:23. Since we have a 1,000 year break between Christ's return and the end, isn't it more logical to conclude Christ returns first, rules and reigns for 1,000 years with His martyrs then God returns at the end to defeat Satan who was released near the end?
When the end comes, all must get off the planet in a split second so that no new souls may be conceived. Christ then raises up the dead and brings those alive and remaining at the end into the sky to meet the Father who empties heaven with all the angels and saints remaining up there. There is a reuniting of Father and Son and all that is HIS at the end, is there not?
You then see God the Father and Son together on the throne judging; the wicked being condemned and the saved entering the new heaven on earth.
24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
[h=4]Hebrews 1:8 NKJV[/h] But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
[h=4]Ephesians 5:5 NKJV[/h] For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
[h=4]1 Corinthians 15:50 NKJV[/h] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
[h=4]Luke 22:18 NKJV[/h] for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
When does the Kingdom of God come? Where does it come?
Rev 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
This is one of the problems I pointed out earlier in one of these "rapture" threads. People want to focus on "rapture" scripture(s) and discuss it separately from everything else, while think that when the "rapture" is discussed it is best to look at the big picture (all scripture). Another problem that is combining scriptures that are talking about different things into the same topic/event.
Some people get on their soap box (and like to throw around the word, "heretic"), when the fact is that there are biblical scholars that disagree with the interpretation and meanings of prophecy. It is good to discuss prophecy (and to input our "correction" towards those that we disagree with, but there is no reason for the ugliness that some seem to enjoy expressing). I am not directing this comment to anyone in particular.
Some people get on their soap box (and like to throw around the word, "heretic"), when the fact is that there are biblical scholars that disagree with the interpretation and meanings of prophecy. It is good to discuss prophecy (and to input our "correction" towards those that we disagree with, but there is no reason for the ugliness that some seem to enjoy expressing). I am not directing this comment to anyone in particular.
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I hope you understood that was the point that I was making - That people do cut and paste - hence, the reason that I showed the verse in 1 Cor. with only half of the verse. I can't tell if you're "correcting" me or agreeing.
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This should help you to understand my way of thinking with regard to thread post quotes:
A quote is a quote is a quote...
No offense is [ intended to be ] given. No offense is taken.
EXACTLY! You have to look at the whole picture ( "all at once" / "all at the same time" ) -- "All of the pieces of the puzzle must fit together"... ( all scripture must agree )
I agree.
Keep in mind that, just because someone may be considered a "biblical scholar" - does not mean they "have it right"...
( If the scholars disagree -- somebody has got to be wrong - right? On some things, they may all be wrong... )
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Do you say that 'the last day' in scripture refers to the-very-last-day of the known physical heaven and earth?
Nehemiah 8:
18 Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner.
John 7:
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Are these verses talking about the-very-last-day of the known physical heaven and earth?
( "Of course not -- 'the last day' is context-dependent." )
John 6:
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. ... 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. ... 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Is every soul that believes on the Son going to be raised on the-very-last-day of the known physical heaven and earth?
Is the first resurrection going to occur on the-very-last-day of the known physical heaven and earth?
John 11:
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
John 12:
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Would you say that 'the last day' is the-very-last-day of 'the last days'?
Do 'the last days' end on the-very-last-day of the known physical heaven and earth?
Genesis 49:
1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.
Isaiah 2:
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:
1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Acts 2:
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
2 Timothy 3:
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
James 5:
3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
2 Peter 3:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
We know that 'the last days' includes the past ~ 2000 years. Does it also include the 1000-year reign of Christ?
If "the rest of the dead" ( Revelation 20:5 ) will be raised before - and the world destroyed after - the Great White Throne Judgment -- is Judgment Day really just a nanosecond...???
Do you say that 'the last day' in scripture refers to the-very-last-day of the known physical heaven and earth?
Nehemiah 8:
18 Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner.
John 7:
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Are these verses talking about the-very-last-day of the known physical heaven and earth?
( "Of course not -- 'the last day' is context-dependent." )
John 6:
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. ... 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. ... 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Is every soul that believes on the Son going to be raised on the-very-last-day of the known physical heaven and earth?
Is the first resurrection going to occur on the-very-last-day of the known physical heaven and earth?
John 11:
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
John 12:
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Would you say that 'the last day' is the-very-last-day of 'the last days'?
Do 'the last days' end on the-very-last-day of the known physical heaven and earth?
Genesis 49:
1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.
Isaiah 2:
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:
1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Acts 2:
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
2 Timothy 3:
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
James 5:
3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
2 Peter 3:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
We know that 'the last days' includes the past ~ 2000 years. Does it also include the 1000-year reign of Christ?
If "the rest of the dead" ( Revelation 20:5 ) will be raised before - and the world destroyed after - the Great White Throne Judgment -- is Judgment Day really just a nanosecond...???
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Common Gary - Buddy!! Seriously??
These passages were dealing with the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles. You don't really think that I think that every last day mentioned in the Bible deals with the Last Day on earth especially where there is a context where it is clear that the last day of a 7 day feast is the topic??
In the verses that I cited concerning the resurrection and judgment, was the Feast of Tabernacles, or any other feat, going on?? There are many last days with finite events i.e., last day of school, last day of football season, last day of work before vacation, last day of vacation, last day of being single, last day of being together, last day of life, last day of living in a house, last day before retirement, last day of a sale, last day of Summer, etc. etc. The examples you provided are like these.
The resurrection and judgment occur on the LAST DAY of an age. Whether it is the actual last day before the heavens and earth are dissolved and burned with fervent heat or whether there is still a 1,000 year millennium to follow is a bit of an open question still for me.
These passages were dealing with the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles. You don't really think that I think that every last day mentioned in the Bible deals with the Last Day on earth especially where there is a context where it is clear that the last day of a 7 day feast is the topic??
In the verses that I cited concerning the resurrection and judgment, was the Feast of Tabernacles, or any other feat, going on?? There are many last days with finite events i.e., last day of school, last day of football season, last day of work before vacation, last day of vacation, last day of being single, last day of being together, last day of life, last day of living in a house, last day before retirement, last day of a sale, last day of Summer, etc. etc. The examples you provided are like these.
The resurrection and judgment occur on the LAST DAY of an age. Whether it is the actual last day before the heavens and earth are dissolved and burned with fervent heat or whether there is still a 1,000 year millennium to follow is a bit of an open question still for me.
I see two possibilities. Either this is the LAST DAY of an AGE or it is the LAST DAY of the planet as we know it. In either event, it is not the last day of an annual feast.
5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
It depends how we interpret this passage. John is clearly discussing the physical resurrection of the mortal body into a spiritual incorruptible and indestructible body. But what does John say next?
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power...
The second death is the spiritual death. Thus the wicked are not being discussed here because as we know, they too will have their bodies resurrected into spiritual bodies but they face the second death - the spiritual death.
The first resurrection i
5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
It depends how we interpret this passage. John is clearly discussing the physical resurrection of the mortal body into a spiritual incorruptible and indestructible body. But what does John say next?
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power...
The second death is the spiritual death. Thus the wicked are not being discussed here because as we know, they too will have their bodies resurrected into spiritual bodies but they face the second death - the spiritual death.
The first resurrection i
Time is merely another dimension. It takes the Earth approx 31,557,600 time units we call "a second" to circle our sun once. This measure of time means nothing on another planet revolving around another star or even to other planets in our solar system. It certainly has has no meaning to GOD. 1,000 years is as a day and a day is as 1,000 years...
How insignificant we are and how incapable we are of understanding God's plans. There isn't one Christian who agrees completely on all things with another Christian. When it comes to prophesy, you and I are closer in our beliefs than say Linda and I are. However, we still differ on many things.
I will be honest with you, when it comes to the millennium I am a bit baffled as to who enters and exits it, the rules or laws that will be in place, if the nations are good and bad which they appear to be, who will be in physical and spiritual bodies. I still struggle with where to put certain end time events, after the Trib or after the millennium. We just are not told all things and how they fit together. We aren't told because God didn't want us all to know. Things will be revealed to us when the time is right.
For now, you and I and everyone else are speculating on a bunch of things.
How insignificant we are and how incapable we are of understanding God's plans. There isn't one Christian who agrees completely on all things with another Christian. When it comes to prophesy, you and I are closer in our beliefs than say Linda and I are. However, we still differ on many things.
I will be honest with you, when it comes to the millennium I am a bit baffled as to who enters and exits it, the rules or laws that will be in place, if the nations are good and bad which they appear to be, who will be in physical and spiritual bodies. I still struggle with where to put certain end time events, after the Trib or after the millennium. We just are not told all things and how they fit together. We aren't told because God didn't want us all to know. Things will be revealed to us when the time is right.
For now, you and I and everyone else are speculating on a bunch of things.
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How about this example... ? :
Hebrews 1:
[SUP]1[/SUP] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, [SUP]2[/SUP] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; [SUP]3[/SUP] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; [SUP]4[/SUP] Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Hebrews 1:
[SUP]1[/SUP] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, [SUP]2[/SUP] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; [SUP]3[/SUP] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; [SUP]4[/SUP] Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
How about this example... ? :
Hebrews 1:
[SUP]1[/SUP] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, [SUP]2[/SUP] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; [SUP]3[/SUP] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; [SUP]4[/SUP] Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Hebrews 1:
[SUP]1[/SUP] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, [SUP]2[/SUP] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; [SUP]3[/SUP] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; [SUP]4[/SUP] Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
. Perhaps once Jesus came we entered, "The Last Days" as in the next event on the Biblical Prophetic calendar is the Trib followed by the Second Coming. We see plenty other references to the Lord coming quickly. 2,000 years is not quick to us, but we know time flies in heaven where everyone is having fun.. I wanna go, I'm sick of this place and I'm just plain tired.
"I dare say --- you are doing a whole lot more speculating than I am..."
. But yeah, I have some different ideas. The reason being, I didn't like all the options others were expressing as all of them have problems. They may solve a problem with one thing but then create a new problem somewhere else.What do you see as my biggest "speculation" the slaughter of the church or that the rapture happens on the real Last Day or something else??