ONCE saved always saved!.

[newbirth]

I would agree and will add.......even 1 microgram of trust into your own works equals a gospel of a different kind which leads to hell....It is ALL Jesus, his work, his faith, his sacrifice and what he accomplished was acceptable unto the Heavenly Father and secures eternal life/salvation/justification for those who exercise true biblical belief into the complete works of Christ!

but you exercise nothing.....
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.And so he condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Have to remember God is not looking for sinless perfection but a faithful obedience. A Christian that faithfully walks in the light as Christ is in the light whereby Christ's blood cleanse that Christians from ALL sin, 1 Jn 1:7. The wicked fornicator of 1 Cor 5 had quit walking in the light altogether whereby he no longer had his sins cleansed away by the blood of Christ.

lol.. So I am sea bass. When I sin, I look to make sure God is not looking so he does not see my willful act of disobedience, and knows even though I am in sin, I am faithfully following him.

Dude, you need to listen to yourself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

AGAIN, I repent of my sins. I never claim to be perfectly sinless. My continued walking in the light cleanses away all my sins so I am not a fornicator.

The man in 1 Cor 5 was impenitent about his sin while continuing to live in it.

You still refuse to see the difference?

the blind leading the blind..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

My salvation is based upon both, what Christ did for me and my obedience to Christ, Heb 5:9

Christ died for every man, Heb 2:9 yet every man will not be saved for every man will not take advantage of what Christ did for him on His cross by obeying Christ.

Nope. you can;t have it both ways,

if it is of grace it is not of works, lest grace be no longer grace.

one or the other bud..

there is no grace in works.

 

[royalscot]

all religions ,churches ,and sects, that are christain, have many flaws, yet if we claim grace, saves us, then it also save, anyone that believes jesus Christ is lord. no matter, what religion, your in. the trouble of many founders of a church or sect,(histories to keep it short)it is still clear, that no matter, what church or sect, or member of the church or sect, that believe that jesus Christ is lord, and excepts the free gift(grace) has eternal life.3.16. modern day. 2014. 17, if you don't believe then your condemned already.

 

[Billyd]

Have to remember God is not looking for sinless perfection but a faithful obedience. A Christian that faithfully walks in the light as Christ is in the light whereby Christ's blood cleanse that Christians from ALL sin, 1 Jn 1:7. The wicked fornicator of 1 Cor 5 had quit walking in the light altogether whereby he no longer had his sins cleansed away by the blood of Christ.

You say that those who walk in the light are cleansed of all their sins by the blood of Christ, yet you say that the wicked fornicator is not. My friend, if any man is saved by the blood of Christ, he is saved from all sin, not a select few. EVERY person on this great earth, walks in sin that without the shed blood of Christ is condemned. If man could walk with "faithful obedience", there would not be a need for a Savior. I'm saved by a Christ who told me that all I had to do is believe in him, "place my faith in him", "salvation", that I would have eternal life. He gave me an assurance that you, nor anyone else, nor any thing could take me from him. Nowhere did he promise me that I could or would not sin again. Nowhere did he free me from the earthly consequences of my sin. Nowhere did he say that he would take my salvation away. That has been supported by the numerous words from the scripture here and on many other threads on this site. I've seen several scriptures posted by you and others, that, when taken in full context, are demonstrated to apply to the unsaved or to tribulation. What you are telling me and others is that we must work our way into salvation that will occur after death. By that standard, heaven will be empty.

 

[LT]

but you exercise nothing.....
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.And so he condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Your assumption is that EG is willfully sinful.
You are neglecting that EG abstains from sin, like all true Believers, because he has been shown love
And because he has the Holy Spirit guiding him.
Exercising faith to express joy, compassion, love, appreciation, etc... is not works FOR salvation, but works BECAUSE of Salvation.

OSAS doesn't bring sin. Believers are always overcomes of sin.
It just means that salvation is not on the line when we mess up.

 

[Bookends]

How have I offended you brother ? I quote the word of God, show me where I have wronged you..

You have not offended me, perhaps in our human condition, our communication between us is somewhat misunderstood.
I will clarify later because I do not have the time atm to go back to our previous posts.

 

[newbirth]

No I am saying what the bible teaches......ALL genuinely SAVED BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS HAVE SIN PRESENT and NO MATTER HOW much GOOD WE CAN/WILL DO it will never be GOOD ENOUGH to ADD to what JESUS HAS ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED!

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The man in question as well as others found in the N.T. who had given evidence of faith only to fall and stumble in some sin DID NOT LOOSE their SALVATION, but rather were cut loose from the CHURCH for the SPECIFIC reason of the DESTRUCTION of the FLESH which is sold in SIN and FULL OF SIN from BIRTH to DEATH and or CHANGE at the rapture (so-called)!

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

That is what I am saying and that is what the BIBLE teaches although you seem to be blind to these truths because you cannot get out from behind your predisposition to WORKS FOR SALVATION

.

put some scriptures to back your claims

 

[newbirth]

Your assumption is that EG is willfully sinful.
You are neglecting that EG abstains from sin, like all true Believers, because he has been shown love
And because he has the Holy Spirit guiding him.
Exercising faith to express joy, compassion, love, appreciation, etc... is not works FOR salvation, but works BECAUSE of Salvation.

OSAS doesn't bring sin. Believers are always overcomes of sin.
It just means that salvation is not on the line when we mess up.

I assume nothing...he has stated several times sin has nothing to do with his salvation. That is what OSAS is about isn't it? If you sin or not ,if you repent or not as long as you believe in Christ you are saved.

It just means that salvation is not on the line when we mess up

this is a joke , if this is true then one can never mess up. It is like the magic dollar which you can spend over and over and can never end.

 

[LT]

I assume nothing...he has stated several times sin has nothing to do with his salvation. That is what OSAS is about isn't it? If you sin or not ,if you repent or not as long as you believe in Christ you are saved.
this is a joke , if this is true then one can never mess up. It is like the magic dollar which you can spend over and over and can never end.

You should read more in Scripture about 'faith'.
You're really missing something about why Believers have assurance in faith, and why we should try to please God.
Salvation is a complete work.

Your comment about salvation being spendable is very offbased, and shows your lack of understanding about what Christ did for those redeemed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your assumption is that EG is willfully sinful.
You are neglecting that EG abstains from sin, like all true Believers, because he has been shown love
And because he has the Holy Spirit guiding him.
Exercising faith to express joy, compassion, love, appreciation, etc... is not works FOR salvation, but works BECAUSE of Salvation.

OSAS doesn't bring sin. Believers are always overcomes of sin.
It just means that salvation is not on the line when we mess up.

I do not think they understand, if our earthly parents treated us like they claim Gods treats us, the world would be full of homeless. hungry, starving kids who have been disowned because they can not stop being disobedient.

As someone said earlier, if heaven is dependent on what they claim. Heaven will be empty

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You should read more in Scripture about 'faith'.
You're really missing something about why Believers have assurance in faith, and why we should try to please God.
Salvation is a complete work.

Your comment about salvation being spendable is very offbased, and shows your lack of understanding about what Christ did for those redeemed.

if I have no assurance, I have no hope. If I have no hope. I might as well go sin it up and do all I can to take care of my own needs, and screw everyone else. because this life is all I have.

 

[notuptome]

Sanctification is a process, just like salvation. You are neither fully santified or fully saved until you are standing on heaven's floor. Until then, you are in the process. You OSAS guys don't seem to get that.

Now we get to the root of the problem. Salvation by grace is not a process. A gift cannot be a process. You either have it or you do not.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SeaBass]

You fail to see that one act makes you what you are....you have

1. Lied before...you are a liar
2. Had sex or thought about sex outside of marriage...YOU ARE A FORNICATOR

And you fail to see the comparative warning in the text in question......the call is to not live like LOST MEN who are DOING the particular SIN in question.......as EVERY DAY in the LORD'S churches there are SAVED people who have slipped and stumbled in their walk and yet ARE STILL SAVED.....

1) I continue walking in the light Christ forgives all lies I told. Not a liar.
2) I continue walking in the light Christ forgives all sinful thoughts or acts I do. Not a fornicator

The man in 1 Cor 5 quit walking in the light so Christ does not forgive, blood does not wash away sins.
I have not quit walking in the light.

You trying to convict me of being an impenitent sinner will not solve your problem.

 

[SeaBass]

So, what Jesus has accomplished is not sufficient for you......by your very words you prove your lost!

What Jesus accomplished on His cross is sufficient to save every man. So why then will every man NOT be saved?

Heb 5:9.

 

[notuptome]

1) I continue walking in the light Christ forgives all lies I told. Not a liar.
2) I continue walking in the light Christ forgives all sinful thoughts or acts I do.

The man in 1 Cor 5 quit walking in the light so Christ does not forgive, blood does not wash away sins.
I have not quit walking in the light.

You judge and you judge incorrectly. You cannot know the heart of that man only God can know that but you judge based on the outward appearance and you judge foolishly as a result. The Holy Spirit does not witness with you on this.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SeaBass]

So your not sinless.

Then according to James you are guilty of the law. And just as condemned as that fornicator.

James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.



yet you sin,, Your sin is not as bad as his. so it does not matter. Talk about excusing your own sin.

You can go on sinning, and as long as you repent your fine. Sounds awfull catholic and jewish to me (only they had to sacrifice and animal to excuse their sin.)

Oh how deceived you are my friend.

I never claimed to be sinless.

Yours and dcontroversial's problem is that neither of you have a biblical base to argue from, so you both make me out to be wicked and a fornicator as the man in 1 Cor 5....which proves nothing for I do not live impenitently in fornication. Unlike the man in 1 Cor 5, I continue to walk in the light and therefore Christ blood continues to wash away all my sins.

--I repent
--the man in 1 Cor 5 did not repent but continued to live in sin.


Your argument fails you for refusing to see the difference.

 

[SeaBass]

No it is you who is claiming, you,. because your sin is less, and because you supposedly make penance. Are free of your guilt. by your own actions.

Your excusing your own sin, and judging someone who you have no right to judge, God did not come to judge, he came to save the lost. Why do you think you are better than God?

Take the plank out of your eye, before you try to take the speck out of someone elses eye. You can;t even see your own sinfulness..

AGAIN,

I repent of my sins.
The man in 1 Cor 5 did not repent of his sins but continued to live in it.

 

[SeaBass]

how many times does one have to be born again?

You think your crap does not stink to God just because you claim you say your sorry, yet continue to do the same sins over and over (you know what sin I am talking about)

Stop thinking your so righteous. And get on your knees and call out on the name of Jesus who can free you from the penalty of sin, before its too late.

One only has to be born again/water baptized once, which remits all his past sins up to that point. From there he must continue to walk in the light so Christ's blood will continue to wash away all future sins. The remitting/washing away of sins does not start and end at water baptism for water baptism is the beginning point of the washing away of sins process that continues on throughout the rest of ones life. But it NEVER BEGINS until one is first water baptized.