BEWARE the Lawkeepers

gotime · Jul 13, 2014

This is the New covenant of promise, The Promise that God would put the law in us Thus no need for a law on stone. This is a prophecy of the indwelling Christ.

As Hebrews explains it:

Heb 10:9 then hath he said, Lo, I am come to do thy will. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Jesus came and thus the first was taken away and the second which is Christ came.

Heb 12:24 and to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaketh better than that of Abel.
Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not when they refused him that warned them on earth, much more shall not we escape who turn away from him that warneth from heaven:

Jesus is the new covenant and in place of the Law of the old. So those who refused God when he Spoke form the mountain did not escape, how shall we escape if we refuse Christ true law.

as it says in Hebrews 10:

Heb 10:28 A man that hath set at nought Moses law dieth without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

If the law of God gave to Moses condemned a person under two or three witnesses. then how much more should we fear to bring down Jesus the true law. the one the law pointed to. The one who's glory is greater than the glory of the law?

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written, and engraven on stones, came with glory, so that the children of Israel could not look stedfastly upon the face of Moses for the glory of his face; which glory was passing away:
2Co 3:8 how shall not rather the ministration of the spirit be with glory?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation hath glory, much rather doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

While there was glory in the first in that it was a reflection of the true/Jesus. The second exceeded in Glory as Christ is the Law of liberty.

However it is also written:

Heb 12:1 Therefore let us also, seeing we are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 looking unto Jesus the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising shame, and hath sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider him that hath endured such gainsaying of sinners against himself, that ye wax not weary, fainting in your souls.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin:

Sin must be resisted and the way to know if you are sinning is the same as it always has been.

1Jn 3:4 Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

Only if Christ is in us can we or rather He in us measure up to the law. We need Jesus in our hearts.

gotime · Jul 13, 2014

haz said:

I would put it this way, If someone becomes convicted by the Spirit of God through the word that the 7th Day is the Sabbath and that God wants them to keep it. and then still refuses to keep it, then they are guilty of willful sin.

I agree that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness. Sometimes it is hard to explain in written form but I will try.

An unbalanced Gospel is when I take one thing the word says on a subject and make that thing the standard or truth regardless of what else is said.

For example: There are many texts that say that Jesus was a human being. and there are many that say that He is the almighty God of the Old Testament.

both are true and thus only a point of view that encapsulates both of these truths can be truth. but If I chose to sit on one side then i deny part of the truth and thus are let to error.

I hope that makes sense.

The same thins with Justification:

here are two true statements from the bible concerning Justification.

Gal_2:16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Rom 2:13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:

now here are two statements by Paul and both are true.

If I accept one of these over the other then I have a half truth or a lie.

The First makes it clear that we are not justified by works of the law but by Faith in Jesus. that is true.
The second makes it clear that only those who obey the law are justified. that is true.

So we must take these two truths together and find how they can both be true without having to diminish either truths.

IF we are Justified by Faith and not works of the law. then we know that Justification can not be earned by keeping the law or trying hard. but rather having Faith. very clear.

But if only the doers of the law are Justified then how do these come together?

The answer is in my opinion simple, If I have Faith in Jesus death for me and Faith in his Imputed righteousness then somehow through that Faith in Jesus God will change me so that I actually am able to keep the law. This harmonizes both points without diminishing one. If it is by Faith then it is the work of Christ in us though his death and resurrection.

I can't do it, but he can. I have found since coming to this realization that Gods Grace is powerful changing even how we think. Sin becomes repulsive to us and God keeps us from falling. It is the most peaceful I have ever been in my walk with God. All my hopes all my joy is in Christ and him crucified because it is the power of God unto salvation.

crossnote · Jul 13, 2014

crossnote said:

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
(Heb 12:2)

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(Rom 1:17)

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
(Gal 3:11)

Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
(Heb 10:38)

And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
(Gal 3:12)

RedTent · Jul 13, 2014

gotime said:

Wonderful analysis! But the law on stone is brought forward by Christ, built on, perfected. Not cancelled, for Christ cancelled nothing. Christ was not a destroyer ever, Christ replaced and perfected.

When Christ talked of the law He said "you have been told". Christ never said that what we have been told was wrong, Christ added to it. "but I tell you". Not once did Christ give us the command to not listen to Moses, but often repeated what Moses said.

Laodicea · Jul 13, 2014

Exodus 20:6 KJV
(6) And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

gotime · Jul 13, 2014

Jesus explains where sin comes from:

Mar 7:20 And he said, That which proceedeth out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, evil thoughts proceed, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,
Mar 7:22 covetings, wickednesses, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, railing, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 all these evil things proceed from within, and defile the man.

notice that evil comes from the heart within a man. It would seem the heart of man is the root of the problem. as it is written:

Jer_17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

But Faith in Christ can change that as David prayed:

Psa 51:9 Hide thy face from my sins, And blot out all mine iniquities. Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; And renew a right spirit within me.

So I asked myself the question, Can God create a new heart for me? one that is not evil? Then I remembered:

Exo 20:11 for in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God created the heavens and the earth from nothing, so a new heart is really not a problem for God. So then I searched and found this:

Eze 36:25 And I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep mine ordinances, and do them.

After God cleanses us in the blood of Jesus then he also promises to take out our stone/evil heart. and he puts a new one in. and the Holy Spirit and then he says he will cause us to keep his laws.

The promise is there but also the avenue. It says I/God seven times as in God is the one doing these things. and you/us 7 times as the ones who are receiving from God.

The point is God is doing all the work in these verses on us for us in us. Thus we can not work for this new heart or earn it but we must accept it and ask for it as David did and in Faith trust that God Is able and willing as he created the earth and has promised.

Then I asked myself the question, would God take out my evil heart and put another slightly less evil one in? no why would he do that. He did not half heal people while on earth, but rather fully restored them by his own power. Thus If He gives me a new heart and evil came from my old heart then good must come from my new heart.

The new covenant says this:

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, And on their heart also will I write them: And I will be to them a God, And they shall be to me a people:

So I thought God must put a new heart in us that delights in his law. how does this happen:

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

The law is Christ coming into our hearts by Faith. This is the mystery Paul spoke of that changes a person into a new creature.

Col 1:27 to whom God was pleased to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

And this again in Galatians:

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me: and that life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.

Christ lives in us and thus He does the works. once I got this things changed, the way I think the way I live it all changed and all by Faith in his death and resurrection and intercession for us.

gotime · Jul 13, 2014

RedTent said:

I agree, the law given to Moses was not wrong but rather pointed to Jesus. Jesus fulfills the law of Moses in every particular. Its like me showing you the blueprints of a new house, It looks wonderful it is wonderful and we can learn about the house from it. but once you get the house the blueprint pales in comparison. Jesus is the house the Law given to Moses is the blueprint.

The Glory of the house far exceeds the glory of the blueprint though both are glorious.

JaumeJ · Jul 13, 2014

Bravo! -

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The word command, as well as commandment, is used to translate the Hebrew word mits'vah but does not properly convey the meaning of mits'vah. The word command implies words of force or power as a General commands his troops. The word mits'vah is better understood as a directive. To see the picture painted by this word it is helpful to look at a related word, tsiyon meaning a desert or a landmark. The Ancient Hebrews were a nomadic people who traveled the deserts in search of green pastures for their flocks. A nomad uses the various rivers, mountains, rock outcroppings, etc as landmarks to give them their direction. The verb form of mits'vah is tsavah meaning to direct one on a journey. The mits'vah of the Bible are not commands, or rules and regulations, they are directives or landmarks that we look for to guide us. The word tsiyon meaning landmark is also the word translated as Zion, the mountain of God but, not just a mountain, it is the landmark.

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gotime · Jul 13, 2014

I might add here that you can know much about the house by looking at it and living in it. but to truly know it you must also know the blueprint. because the blueprint tells you things that may seem hidden like water pipes and power cords etc. We should never neglect the blueprint.

Joh 5:39 Ye search the scriptures, because ye think that in them ye have eternal life; and these are they which bear witness of me;

Frank · Jul 13, 2014

Laodicea said:

Cooperation with grace is being left out?? Thru faith by grace we are saved. The change takes place through believing in Jesus Christ!! So you no longer want to brake laws!! Do not forget about the cooperation!!!! Im not sure why everyone is so scared of law??? Conviction maybe!!!???

Frank · Jul 13, 2014

Awsome insight!!!!

crossnote · Jul 13, 2014

Frank said:

No one is scared, it's just impotent in reaching it's intended goal.

JaumeJ · Jul 13, 2014

Now for all to read and understand. Amen GT..

gotime said:

I might add here that you can know much about the house by looking at it and living in it. but to truly know it you must also know the blueprint. because the blueprint tells you things that may seem hidden like water pipes and power cords etc. We should never neglect the blueprint.

Joh 5:39 Ye search the scriptures, because ye think that in them ye have eternal life; and these are they which bear witness of me;

Frank · Jul 13, 2014

Where made in His image, 3 parts. Flesh,soul ,and spirit. The spirit is dead unit we have faith in Jesus and we receive the Holy spirit. There's always going to be a battle, the flesh pulls one way, the spirit pulls another, the soul is the battle ground!! He gave free will!! Choose?? If I want to be purged and cleansed(sanctification), I read the bible, worship and praise, and witness to others!!! Action!! He may just completely and drastically change others but for me its a battle!!

royalscot · Jul 13, 2014

JaumeJ said:

because they were living,( and moving in the rhema word)and were writing the new testament, as the walked in faith. by the spirit. history is important, to the future, as foundations, are to what, you build, on top of it.

haz · Jul 13, 2014

gotime said:

We both know that "willful" sin you refer to is discussed in Heb 10:26, 27.
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries

So with this scripture in mind then I assume you preach condemnation/death to any Christian who does not keep the Sabbath once they're convicted by the Holy Spirit that they should do so. Is that correct?

My understanding of willful sin differs from yours. I see the willful sinners as being the legalists who had formerly known the truth of the gospel of Christ, as described in Heb 6:4-6. I suspect however, that most legalists never really knew the truth of the gospel and thus still have opportunity to repent of their dead works.

Firstly, who does the law apply to?
Rom 3:19
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law

Are Christians under the law?
Answer: NO. (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9).

But legalists are under the law, thus whatever the law says it says to them. And in this they make themselves a sinner as they fail to keep it perfectly thus making them guilty of all the law, James 2:10
Gal 2:18
For if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor/Sinner

Hence we see that the "willful" sin referred to in Heb 10:26 is speaking of legalists who are under the law. Remember that whatever the law says it says to those under it, thus legalists can be charged with sin/transgression of the law. Any legalist who had truly known the truth of the gospel of Christ ( I suspect most don't) but then turn back to works of the law as proof of righteousness, such are into willful sin. They make themselves a transgressor/sinner, as Gal 2:18 describes. Legalists are in unbelief and are not covered by the blood of Christ. They have rejected Christ's sacrifice and denied God.

And whilst true believers are not perfect in physical behavior, we're not under the law for righteousness. Our faith is counted for righteousness instead, Rom 4:5. Hence Satan, the accuser, cannot charge us with sin/transgression of the law.
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing(which includes sin) to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

gotime said:

That thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" was a doer of the law.
He showed the work of the law written in his heart, Rom 2:15.
How is this so as he died on the cross unable to do any obedience to the law whatsoever?
It was Christ in us, our inward man who delights after the law (Rom 7:22), that God saw in that thief.

Col 3:3
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Gal 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

gotime said:

The problem I see with your claim is that the law requires perfect obedience (James 2:10). So you seem to believe that perfect obedience to the law is required as faith without works is dead.

Have you attained perfect obedience to the law yet?
Also I found that those who foolishly claim that they have done this, often then contradict it by speaking of being able to obey the law perfectly for only limited periods of time.

And what of those with death bed salvation. They have no opportunity to attain perfect obedience to the law. What is their position?

I hope you can see the problems that arise with such doctrines.

gotime · Jul 13, 2014

haz said:

how can I preach that when I can not read the heart? I do not know if the person has been convicted by God or not, So I leave that to God, it is not for us to judge who lives and who does not.

As Far as legalistic being under the law I agree, legalistic works based religion is a denial of Christ's works for us. And Legalists don't actually keep the law anyway not truly because without Faith in Christ it is impossible to keep the law. However If one keeps sinning a sin that they know they should not do then they are also condemned by law. that is the point of the law to condemn sin. Jesus is the only answer for a sinner.

As for the thief on the cross I agree he was a doer.

and yes the law does require perfect obedience that is why you and I can not do it. but Christ in you, that is another story. Jesus can do in us what we can not do without Him.

As to have you attained that has little to do with anything, what I have or have not done does not change what Jesus has and is doing and can do for and in us. I can say as Did Paul I press forward to the high calling in Christ Jesus. I believe that Jesus can get anyone to a place where they do not sin at all and perfectly obey. And my experience so far has been one of growing closer and closer to Christ through faith in His word.

as to death bed salvation. This is the issue we are not saved by keeping the law but by grace through Faith. we only need start the journey with Christ to be saved. Salvation comes the second we acknowledge the truth in Faith. Obedience is a fruit that had not time to flower. God knows the heart and will Judge accordingly.

So no I don't really see a problem, Salvation in Jesus is full and powerful. If I were to die today I believe I would be safe because I have looked To Jesus by Faith in His word, and I know that if I continue to live I will grow in Grace and obedience. The only time I am in trouble is if I refuse to Obey something I know God has convicted me on.

blessings.

gotime · Jul 13, 2014

have you ever noticed that Jesus has helped people overcome pretty much any sin that can be thought of. so why do we doubt that He can do that in one person?

RedTent · Jul 13, 2014

God is so good, we have been created with only love and goodness. We have been given grace when we ask for it, and we are told how to live in abundance and security. Translators have called that law, and our minds have made that the meaning. As if it was given from a stern, unloving God. We are told what it is good for, and told not to worry if we love the Lord, for God gives us grace and forgiveness. Posters say the only thing the law does is condemn, and on and on about how evil it is when God gave it in love for us. He tells us it is Holy. Posters treat it as something evil, not something holy.

Poster after poster speaks threatening words to each other over it. Because Paul said it was a schoolmaster, and we are given such love we don't need a schoolmaster if we use faith, posters are against law. Think of all the horrible things said about the love that our Lord gives us because He spells out the right way to live in our world. If anyone dares post that they love the law, demon like words come beating them and scorning them for what they say is a terrible thing.

Then, like the Pharisees did, they say they are doing these things because they know scripture so well and they are so religious.

haz · Jul 13, 2014

gotime said:

Sin/transgression of the law is a charge that only applies to those under the law.
Remember Rom 3:19.
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

But Christians are not under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9).
Hence we cannot be charged with sin/transgression of the law.
Once we become a Christians we're immediately set free from any charge of sin (Rom 8:33). Jesus truly set us free from sin.

John 8:34-36
Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free (from sin), you shall be free indeed.

Rom 6:7
For he who has died has been freed from sin

Now note the commandments Christian keep.
1John 3:22,23
we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Note the Sabbath and dietary laws are not listed here.

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