The Fixed Earth

[greatkraw]

You are right about a couple of things Cup.

The Earth was created independantly of the Sun.

In fact the evidence is that the planets were brought to the Solar System in pairs.

This is shown in that different pairs of planets have the same tilt and spin as each other.

Mercury+Venus; Earth+Mars; Jupiter+Saturn; Uranus+Neptune

Earth and Mars were in synchronous orbits until about 701BC

Earth had an orbit of 360 Earth days while Mars had an orbit of 720 Earth days.

This meant that they passed each other on a regular basis. Their orbits were different then.

In about 701 BC things changed and they took up the orbits they now have and our year stretched to 365.25

That is when the calendars changed.

Check out a book called Starlight and Time to see a possible Biblical explanation for the creation of the universe.

 

[jcspartan]

It is you who are inside Plato's Cave, I present you with the truth, if you wish to avoid it, maybe the Spirit of Truth will not testify to you, you refuse to believe God's word, that He gave, He created the earth first, before the sun and moon which were created as 'lights', the sun is not the centre, the sun rises and sets, God even stopped it once, and then reset it, there are dozens and dozens of verses in the Bible declaring that the earth is stationary and does not move at all, the sun and moon move just like our God given eyes tell us, but you don't believe your own eyes, you have scales on your eyes, you don't believe your own senses, neither the logic and reason that God has given you, you would rather believe the lie than face the truth, you will turn away from God's good and simple truth to embrace every antichrist worldly lie that comes along! You should pray that God release you from Satan's curse, you should pray that God take the scales of your eyes and give you ears to hear!

"For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"

1 Chron. 16:30

"Fear before Him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, THAT IT BE NOT MOVED"

"And say ye, Save us, O God of our Salvation, and gather us together, and deliver us from the heathen, that we may give thanks to thy holy name, and glory in thy praise"

How much of the Earth is supposed to be immovable?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

You are right about a couple of things Cup.

The Earth was created independantly of the Sun.

In fact the evidence is that the planets were brought to the Solar System in pairs.

This is shown in that different pairs of planets have the same tilt and spin as each other.

Mercury+Venus; Earth+Mars; Jupiter+Saturn; Uranus+Neptune

Earth and Mars were in synchronous orbits until about 701BC

Earth had an orbit of 360 Earth days while Mars had an orbit of 720 Earth days.

This meant that they passed each other on a regular basis. Their orbits were different then.

In about 701 BC things changed and they took up the orbits they now have and our year stretched to 365.25

That is when the calendars changed.

Check out a book called Starlight and Time to see a possible Biblical explanation for the creation of the universe.

Earth cannot orbit a sun that does not exist! 'God created the heavens and earth' on the First Day, the sun, moon and stars were created on the Fourth Day! Heliocentricity is completely and utterly contradictory to the Biblical record of Genesis, there cannot be gravitational pull of a mass, namely the sun, if it is not in existence, the Earth was already created first, and stationary at the centre, the sun, moon and stars, are 'lights', serving the function of light upon the earth! You cannot reconcile your heliocentric views with the Bible, the Bible is Geocentric, which leaves you not believing what God has says.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Actually, if you truly want to be biblical or scriptural, you need to go one step further - that the earth is not only fixed and unmovable, but also flat!! See Book of Enoch, Genesis, Job, for examples. The Book of Enoch, which is partly where you get your geocentric views from, is one of the most plainly flat earth scriptures around. And the other books like Genesis or Job, with its description of the earth having hard sky dome firmaments through which the elements were allowed to pass through as the "windows of heaven" opened, confirm that the scripture teaches a flat earth - which is consistent with the best secular knowledge the authors of scripture had at the time, and the fact that the neighbours of the Hebrews, including the Egyptians and Babylonians, amongst whom they existed for 400 years or so in captivity of slavedom, all had flat earth cosmologies. You be hard pressed to find spherical earth models in human civilization before the Greeks around 400-500 bc or thereabouts.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Actually, if you truly want to be biblical or scriptural, you need to go one step further - that the earth is not only fixed and unmovable, but also flat!! See Book of Enoch, Genesis, Job, for examples. The Book of Enoch, which is partly where you get your geocentric views from, is one of the most plainly flat earth scriptures around. And the other books like Genesis or Job, with its description of the earth having hard sky dome firmaments through which the elements were allowed to pass through as the "windows of heaven" opened, confirm that the scripture teaches a flat earth - which is consistent with the best secular knowledge the authors of scripture had at the time, and the fact that the neighbours of the Hebrews, including the Egyptians and Babylonians, amongst whom they existed for 400 years or so in captivity of slavedom, all had flat earth cosmologies. You be hard pressed to find spherical earth models in human civilization before the Greeks around 400-500 bc or thereabouts.

'Snail, we have already been through this, and I have explained it to you, there is no need to go over this again? even Jesus Christ Himself indicated the earth was sphere Luke 17:34-36, drawing a circumference on a horizon line = sphere! Isaiah 40:22, God being omnipresent on earth all directions, in every direction is compassed khoog, circuit, circle, the onley shape where this can be possible to view a circle from all angles is a sphere.

You must really ask yourself 'Snail why do you not believe the Bible? Why do undermine and subvert God's word? Why do you claim that the Bible is based on secular knowledge and is influenced by paganism? Why do you pretend to be a Christian when you are not? Why do belittle the Bible? Why do you slander those who do believe the Bible? Why do you bear false testimony angaist God's word?

 

[MahogonySnail]

Why do you pretend to be a scientist? Why can't you form a logical scientific argument? Why do you post youtube videos of senile retired civil engineers as supposed scientific proof? Why do you use flat earth books like the book of Enoch to prove geocentricity but miss the obvioius flat-earth language?

You do realise that the earth is round for a flat-earther too? In fact the language of being circumscribed fits with flat earth cosmology.
The Hebrew had a word for ball and they could have said the 'ball of the earth' but they chose 'circle' of the earth which describes the circumference of a transcribed circle around the equator, and looking top down. It all fits with flat earth cosmology - including the phrase "windows of heaven". Obviously heaven doesn't have windows, the sky is transparent - but they thought it was solid with windows.

How could Daniel have seen all kingdoms on the earth from a tall tree if it was spherical? How come God looks DOWN upon the earth, does He not look up at the southern hemisphere as well?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Why do you pretend to be a scientist? Why can't you form a logical scientific argument? Why do you post youtube videos of senile retired civil engineers as supposed scientific proof? Why do you use flat earth books like the book of Enoch to prove geocentricity but miss the obvioius flat-earth language?

Are you suggesting that God's friend Enoch who resides now in heaven does not understand science? You testify against him at your own peril. I have already discussed how Enoch supports a spherical earth, even though atheists like you testify against him, and thus he will testify against you!

You do realise that the earth is round for a flat-earther too? In fact the language of being circumscribed fits with flat earth cosmology.

The Earth is a sphere, I just told you that, as the Bible proves, why do you denounce the word of God?

The Hebrew had a word for ball and they could have said the 'ball of the earth' but they chose 'circle' of the earth which describes the circumference of a transcribed circle around the equator, and looking top down. It all fits with flat earth cosmology - including the phrase "windows of heaven". Obviously heaven doesn't have windows, the sky is transparent - but they thought it was solid with windows.

God wrote the Bible! It's His word!

How could Daniel have seen all kingdoms on the earth from a tall tree if it was spherical? How come God looks DOWN upon the earth, does He not look up at the southern hemisphere as well?

God is omnipresent, He views the earth from all angles, thus the world appears a circle from all angles!

 

[Ancilla]

Ancilla, I do not understand Cup, I am trying to. For someone who appears to have vast knowledge of the Bible...

I'll just have to take your word for it that Cup has vast knowledge of the Bible. I haven't seen any evidence of that in anything I've read written by him. As I'm sure you'll agree, knowledge of the Bible goes far beyond being able to quote chapter and verse. Knowledge of the Bible means being able to put it in context. For example, in the Gospels there's the woman who was "bleeding" for nine years and she touched Jesus' clothing and she was healed and at that very moment Jesus felt power leave him. So, I say that you can know that passage of scripture in three ways. 1. You can know where it is and exactly what it says in the translation you read. Off hand, I don't know where that is in the Gospels, but it's probably in Luke. I think it was 9 years she was bleeding but it could have been more or less. 2. There's putting it in context. I heard that the scholars have interpreted the bleeding as a menstral bleeding. Not only would that be problematic for all the obvious reasons, like she spent all her money one doctors, she had no modern hygiene products or iron supplements and she wouldn't have been able to get pregnant. But, to put it in the context of the culture, somewhere in the Old Testament, I think it's Leviticus, it says that men can't have sex with women who are menstrating because it's a time of uncleanliness. So this woman would have been continually be considered unclean which mean her marriage would be non-exisitant. Furthermore, I don't know what the case was back then, but today Orthodox Jewish women, not only don't have sex at that time of the month they do not touch any men during or after menstration or childbirth until they go to the mikvah. So, since her bleeding never ended, she never got a chance to go to the mikvah and be considered clean enough to touch men. So, with that in mind, it puts a whole different spin on the story. The woman must have had faith that Jesus wouldn't freak out at her and head straight for the nearest men's mikvah to become clean. Now, I've never actually heard this passage interpreted in so many words by someone well educated in the Bible, but that's the way I interpret it. 3. There's knowing why the author of the book choice to include that story (because we know that not all of Christ's miracles are in the Bible, because there wouldn't be enough parchment in the world record them) and what he was trying to say about the character of Jesus. And then of course there's why God inspired the author to put that in the Bible and what He wanted us to learn.

I believe that the Bible is more than just a book, there's more to knowing the Bible than just being able to read the words. That's why we have seminary and Bible colleges where people study various translations and the cultures that the author was writing for (because I don't think anyone who penned the Bible where intending it to be the Bible and reach every culture of the world, but rather they had a specific audience in mind such as the Isrealites or the Corinthians) and the languages they were written in and read what how various scholars have interpreted it. But that's one of the things that I love about the Bible, that there's so many passages there where there's more than you initally see and the more you look into them, the more you see God. I should really start a thread on that.

So, Cup might know verses in the first sense, but he can't tell us why he believes why he believes that the verses that support his position where meant to be taken in a purely scientific way. I find it offensive that someone would imply there's anything in the Bible that is meant to be taken purely scientifically. I think every verse in the Bible is about the character of God. I mean, this is why we have Bible studies, we take a passage of scripture and discuss what it says about the character of God and how we should respond accordingly. He also can't explain why that same word "moved" is used in... I think it was Psalm 62 that I quoted earlier where that word is used in reference to a human, "I will not be moved." Granted, not every translation uses the word because there are other translations that try to focus more on how we can read it so we understand what the author is trying to say rather than what it literally says, but when I posted that verse I checked Young's Literal Translation and it does say "moved."

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Copernican heliocentricity is a concept of satanic origin that attempts to breack the back of Bible credibilty as a source of Absolute Truth in Christendom. Once the Copernican Revolution had subverted the physical science of Astronomy and Physics and perverted them with the false, occult deception of a moving earth and spread it's slimy tenticles out of the world it laid the foundation upon which the Biological sciences could also be subverted with the Darwinian Revolution. Darwinism riding on the back of Copernicus emboldened the secular mind to further reject Biblical Absolutism and replace it with scienece falsely called - 'evolution'...The rot then proceeded into social and political sciences. Despite the huge influence of these subversive revolts against God's word, their results proved negative as they were unable to prove that the earth moved, the Michelson-Morley interferometer experiments conducted in Europe and the U.S. in the 1880's consistantly showed no orbital motion of the Earth around the sun. No motion. Period. God's word held sure and true, as it does to this day....yet many were decieved, as they are still to this day by the "science" idol that Satan has so merticulously crafted with the assistence of his occult preisthood.

Are you decieved?

 

[jcspartan]

Copernican heliocentricity is a concept of satanic origin that attempts to breack the back of Bible credibilty as a source of Absolute Truth in Christendom. Once the Copernican Revolution had subverted the physical science of Astronomy and Physics and perverted them with the false, occult deception of a moving earth and spread it's slimy tenticles out of the world it laid the foundation upon which the Biological sciences could also be subverted with the Darwinian Revolution. Darwinism riding on the back of Copernicus emboldened the secular mind to further reject Biblical Absolutism and replace it with scienece falsely called - 'evolution'...The rot then proceeded into social and political sciences. Despite the huge influence of these subversive revolts against God's word, their results proved negative as they were unable to prove that the earth moved, the Michelson-Morley interferometer experiments conducted in Europe and the U.S. in the 1880's consistantly showed no orbital motion of the Earth around the sun. No motion. Period. God's word held sure and true, as it does to this day....yet many were decieved, as they are still to this day by the "science" idol that Satan has so merticulously crafted with the assistence of his occult preisthood.

Are you decieved?

good people--Christian people can come up with divergent ideas in good faith and not be Satanic. Just because someone might be wrong doesn't make them evil. A heliocentric world view does not challenge the absolute authority of scripture or its truthfulness. It does challenge those who seek a literal translation.

I asked the question how much of the Earth is moveable? If the idea that the Earth shall not be moved is taken to a logical conclusion no part of the Earth should be movable either through the solarsystem and no part of the Earth should be separated from the rest of the Earth because that small component would be moveable Earth. Yet, we throw away peices of the immovable Earth every time we put rockets and satelites into space. It seems trivial but, if one peice of the Earth can be moved why not 100 or 1000 or more.

Additionally the magnetic field is created by the moving Earth of our iron-nickle core. If we are going to say immovable then it should be immovable. Venus's core does not move but ours does.

 

[Ancilla]

...in all his intellect can stubbornly deny concrete facts, he will not take a step back and look at the facts and examine them for their truths.

He doesn't seem that intelligent to me, he's even conceded that Mo'snail is brighter than him. Mo'snail and others are trying to explain to him legitamate science and he keeps deying that's possible for the sole reason becaues he just doesn't understand. I see a lot of arrogance going on here. He hasn't studied astrophysics or conceded that maybe it would be a good idea before he attacks it. He believes both his understanding or both the Bible and astrophysics is correct over everyone else who's studied both of them a lot more than he has (and I'm just not talking about people on this site, of course). I mean, take Galileo Galilei for example, when he first opposed a geocentric view of the universe, he was basically saying that he knew better than all of western science to that point. It might have been an arrogant point of view, but Galileo was well educated and able to back up his position. In otherwords, Galileo earned his right to take such a standpoint.

So I really wonder if he indeed has the Spirit of Christ, I mean from majority of his posts I am of the opinion that he is so full of hatred for anyone that does not conform to his ideals and theology.

Ahhh, that's what's really important here. Does he have the Spirit of Christ? Well, the popular modern thing to say is "Only God knows his heart" which is true, HOWEVER, Jesus used the words "bear" and "fruit" in the same sentence a total of 11 times in New Internation Version. Why would does Jesus use this analogy so many times? It's like He's implying that there's more to being a Christian than just what goes on in your heart. See, there I go again, it's not enough just to know what the Bible says but what it means. So, what are the fruits of the Spirit? Well, Galatians 5:22-23 says that the fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. And what is love? 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 says "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away." There's nothing in New Testament that interpreting certain passages of the Old Testament is more important than the above verses.

and as for his post on my avatar.... that is not just an attack on me but on the Holy Spirit who is in me as well as on the Nation of Israel!...and we know what God says about those against Israel.
Sad...very sad

Yeah, when I read that I was pretty shocked.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Secular intellectuals the world over have long recognized the Copernicus laid the foundation for Darwinism. Jesus is the Creator (Col. 1:16; Eph. 3:9) either He created the sun going around the as scripture declares and all known fact confirm and your own eyes testify, or He created an earth going around the sun, as evolutionary scientists declare, both of these model cannot be true, one model is absolutely true and the other is absolutely false. There is NO COMPRIMISE, No quarter given. You cannot claim to be a Bible believer and yet doubt God's word regarding Creation! Do not be a hypocrite, as it will be held against you, when you give account of your deeds and words on your Judgement Day. Are you carefully and dilligently considering the the evidence or are you falling for the lie and deception and openly attacking God's sure word? Copernican heliocentricity model contradicts the Bible and has been a major factor in th erosion of Biblical credibilty, you cannot alter this fact.

If you oppose the holy word of God, you will be made accountable. God long ago warned against "oppositions of science falsely called (1 Tim. 6:20)...Satan is the ultimate conspirator who has been allowed to maintain his position of 'god of this world' (II Cor. 4:4) Thru deception! In fact Paul warned against the same heliocentric model of Aristarchus from whom Copernicus borrowed heavily, this was a contention at the time Paul wrote to Timothy, and we battle the same today!

This is no small matter, the credibilty of the Bible from beginning to end rests upon the accuracy of the Genesis account of Creation, if "science" can contradict Genesis it can condradict the entire Bible. This whole subject of the origins and nature of the cosmos is a vital link in Satan's chain around his kingdom of Babylon. Are you in Babylon? Can you break this chain by resting solely on the sure, simple word of the Lord thy God, and believe and Come out of Babylon! Satan operates a world of confusion II Cor. 4:4... But only until those deceptions are revealed for the world to see (1 Jn. 3:8; Rev. 17:14) Who will stand with Jesus and His Creation, and who will succumb to the lies and deception of this false idol called 'heliocentricity' that attacks the word of God, and makes Him out to be a liar, that is a false testimony against God, a rejection of the holy spirit, it will be held against you, so consider and pray, and if you are in Babylon, then repent, and come out of her!

 

[Ancilla]

...in all his intellect can stubbornly deny concrete facts, he will not take a step back and look at the facts and examine them for their truths.

He doesn't seem that intelligent to me, he's even conceded that Mo'snail is brighter than him. Mo'snail and others are trying to explain to him legitimate science and he keeps denying that's possible for the sole reason because he just doesn't understand. I see a lot of arrogance going on here. He hasn't studied astrophysics or conceded that maybe it would be a good idea before he attacks it. He believes both his understanding or both the Bible and astrophysics is correct over everyone else who's studied both of them a lot more than he has (and I'm just not talking about people on this site, of course). I mean, take Galileo Galilei for example, when he first opposed a geocentric view of the universe, he was basically saying that he knew better than all of western science to that point. It might have been an arrogant point of view, but Galileo was well educated and able to back up his position. In other words, Galileo earned his right to take such a standpoint.

So I really wonder if he indeed has the Spirit of Christ, I mean from majority of his posts I am of the opinion that he is so full of hatred for anyone that does not conform to his ideals and theology.

Ahhh, that's what's really important here. Does he have the Spirit of Christ? Well, the popular modern thing to say is "Only God knows his heart" which is true, HOWEVER, Jesus used the words "bear" and "fruit" in the same sentence a total of 11 times in New International Version. Why would does Jesus use this analogy so many times? It's like He's implying that there's more to being a Christian than just what goes on in your heart. See, there I go again, it's not enough just to know what the Bible says but what it means. So, what are the fruits of the Spirit? Well, Galatians 5:22-23 says that the fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. And what is love? 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 says "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away." There's nothing in New Testament that interpreting certain passages of the Old Testament is more important than the above verses.

and as for his post on my avatar.... that is not just an attack on me but on the Holy Spirit who is in me as well as on the Nation of Israel!...and we know what God says about those against Israel.
Sad...very sad

Yeah, when I read that I was pretty shocked.

 

[Ancilla]

You must really ask yourself 'Snail why do you not believe the Bible? Why do undermine and subvert God's word? Why do you claim that the Bible is based on secular knowledge and is influenced by paganism? Why do you pretend to be a Christian when you are not? Why do belittle the Bible? Why do you slander those who do believe the Bible? Why do you bear false testimony angaist God's word?

Cup, I don't think Mo'Snail thinks all those things about you. Don't be so defensive.

 

[Brackenzee]

Good grief, Cup, you are raving like a lunatic. Science is not satantic. The Earth's movement was established by Christian scientists to begin with. The idea that all this is somehow an evil conspiracy is a unique invention of the 20th century--as a response to the pitiful inability of Geocentrically to comprehend a world you're uncomfortable with. You can't stand thinking that the Bible wasn't meant for this--you have to conceive of it as a guide to all knowledge and wisdom, some sort of super-compendium of science and understanding that it was never intended to be. You can't deal with not having all the answers, so you pretend that you know a bunch of "Biblical" secrets that everyone is satanicially repressing or deluded into believing--all because it strokes your ridiculous ego.

 

[Ancilla]

Does he have the Spirit of Christ?

Let me clarify something here. We shouldn't judge other people on this site, however, what people write and how it might reflect what's going on in the heart is on the table. As Christians we should welcome the accountability of others. Let me put it this way. I'm writing a book right now, it's like a devotion book, when I eventually finish it I'll have a clergyman review it. In fact, I'll open it to the scrutiny of as many Christians who've studied the Bible at a graduate level that would be willing to read it. Why? Because I desperately, desperately, don't want anything I write in that book to be contrary to the Bible lest someone who reads it would be lead astray. See, there have been Christian books I've read that have had stuff written in them that it's just not Biblical. Granted, that's not to say everything in the those books were contrary to the Bible, and that's definitely not saying that the author wasn't trying his or her best to present a Biblical message. This one book in particular that frustrated me, I went back to it years later and when I put the scripture she quoted to support her positions that bothered me, it just didn't hold up to it being put into context. I mean, scripture interprets scripture. We know how to interpret passages with the knowledge of other passages, like my interpretation of the woman who was bleeding is based on Old Testament purity laws. Then, I scanned the front and back of this book looking for someone who with credentials in Biblical scholarship who reviewed this book and there wasn't any. Now, I have a problem with that. Every non-fiction book should credit someone with reviewing it. No matter how much of an expert someone is, no one's above the scrutiny of peers. It's like scientific journals. How do we know that their studies are legit? Because they're peer reviewed. There's a review board who puts their reputation on the line by approving the research methodology of the authors of the studies they publish. CS Lewis not only had his manuscript of Mere Christianity reviewed by clergymen, but he had reviewers from each of the 4 or 5 major denominations in England at the time. I wish I could find clergymen of different denominations who'd be willing to look at my manuscript.

But I digress. First of all, we need to make the distinction between judging people and judging what they write. Secondly, as Christians we should be open to the scrutiny of other Christians if we want what we write to really reflect how the Bible tells us to behave. Third, although we shouldn't be too quick to assume what one is like in real life based on what they write, we shouldn't kid ourselves that what we write on line reflects that can sometimes even better reflect what's in our hearts. Psychologists will tell us that's because of the anonymity on the Internet. It's a lot easier to tell things people that we wouldn't tell them to their face.

 

[Ancilla]

Good grief, Cup, you are raving like a lunatic. Science is not satantic. The Earth's movement was established by Christian scientists to begin with.

Oh, but don't you realize? He knows better than both Christian scientists and Biblical scholars because they deny absolute truth, because Cup is the only one who knows what absolute truth is.

Please forgive my sarcasm.

 

[Ancilla]

Science is not satantic.

But you know what I do think is... well it's not satanic, but it's not in the service of God, is telling people they can't be a Christian if they're educated in the sciences. Scientists who are Christians believe that the earth is the Lord's and He's given it to us to discover, and there's nothing that we can discover that will be contrary to God's truth, because since He (and no other) is the One who has the monopoly on absolute truth in the first place.

 

[jcspartan]

Here you go;

http://www.reformation.org/united-nations.html

I have to hand it to you. How many people are talking to you on your thread? Plenty. The number doesn't matter. If truth were a bullet headed at at your head you have the amazing ability to say it isn't coming your way. I am literally laughing because I am amazed at your tenacity. The impact of the truth is still going to hurt.

I still think your wrong. The site does not break down the math of the pendelum. If the pendulum is too short you do have a problem with ellipsoidal motion. The longer the wire the less this is a problem. Foucualt solved the problem by making a long (67 meter) cable to hang the bob from. The original did not have the devices in the UN pendulum. The electromagnetic devices in the pendulum only counter the ellipsoidal precession they don't impart extra motion. I can understand why you might think this dubius given you pentient for finding Satan in every lab coat.

Foucault did not have to use electromagnetic counter force to offset the impact of ellipsiod precession because unlike most of us he had access to a 67 space to hang his pendulum. He still came up with the same results.

I suppose if each of these things could be kept isolated you might be able to pull off the geocentric thing. But when you take the pendulum with the Coriolis effect, with the pattern of red **** and blue shift of stars, with ballistic/rocketry and many of the other things brought up by others the combined picture is not geocentric.

But the real concern is the leap to assuming that the heliocentric view is diabolical. My God is the creator of the universe, omniscient, omnipresent, sovereign, just, unchanging, eternal, spirit, holy, triune. None of that is challenged by heliocentrism. The amazing nature of the universe I see as heliocentric just makes the creator all the more worthy of worship. The clock work precision combined with the vastness of space and the power of the stars that read almost as an after thought in the creation story of scripture are gloriously revealing of the infinite power and creativity of God. How could I not look through a telescope and not be edified in my worship. I am not weakened in my reverence for God. I am strengthened.

 

[Brackenzee]

I suppose if each of these things could be kept isolated you might be able to pull off the geocentric thing. But when you take the pendulum with the Coriolis effect, with the pattern of red **** and blue shift of stars...

Heh... I can only guess that you made a bit of a typo there.

But the real concern is the leap to assuming that the heliocentric view is diabolical. My God is the creator of the universe, omniscient, omnipresent, sovereign, just, unchanging, eternal, spirit, holy, triune. None of that is challenged by heliocentrism. The amazing nature of the universe I see as heliocentric just makes the creator all the more worthy of worship. The clock work precision combined with the vastness of space and the power of the stars that read almost as an after thought in the creation story of scripture are gloriously revealing of the infinite power and creativity of God. How could I not look through a telescope and not be edified in my worship. I am not weakened in my reverence for God. I am strengthened.

Excellent point.