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it is under Calvinism
the idea that salvation is a second chance comes from Arminianist thought.

If salvation is a second chance, and you sin after getting that second chance, then you are doomed, because Christ can't be crucified again.
Salvation is once.
It's not a second chance. It's getting the life of Christ inplace of your own.
 
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The answer is found in the fact that the Bible views salvation from two different perspective, or sides: there is God's side and there is man's side. From God's side, the Bible teaches that all of the elect of God will be saved and can not lost eternal life. Jesus will never lost one of His sheep. This is an absolute fact that can not be denied. The man's perspective is a very subjective, experiential side which we live out and we can come to a conclusion that we are saved or that we are not save: because of how we live or don't live for God. The assurance of our faith is always based upon how well we live in holiness and the witness of the Holy Spirit to our holy living. To teach that our salvation and assurance of salvation is based upon faith in Jesus only is the lie of the Devil. The condition for salvation are,1. repent of sin, 2. Trust in Jesus alone, 3. Obey Jesus as Lord. If a teacher of the word of God doesn't agree on three points, there is not talking to them about the things of God because they have perverted the first principles of the Gospel of God. It does one no good if they believe, "once saved always saved", If they can not convinced ourselves that they are converted from sin to a holy way of life. Love to all. Hoffco
 
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Salvation requires belief, Jn 8:24; repentance Lk 13:3,5; confession Mt 10:32,33; baptism Mk 16;16.

1 Jn 1:7 begins with conditional word "IF" meaning walking in the light is something the Christian must chose to do or not do.

Walking in the light means DOING what Christ has said.
3 Jn 1:4 "I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth".
Jn 17:17 "thy word is truth"
Jn 3:21 "But he that doeth truth cometh to the light
Jn 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
2 Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

So no walking = no sins cleansed = lost
1 John is written to born again believers. The context is walking in fellowship. Yes, 1 John 1:4 begins with 'if' . . . here's the thing: I am a child of God and I am walking along 'in the light' but then I stumble and fall - I was tempted and I followed through on that temptation . . . in that instant I am 'in darkness' . . . YOU say that then I am not a child of God and somehow at that time God takes away his Spirit from me and I am lost. Then I can't even be convicted of what I have done because I no longer even have the Holy Spirit there to convict me . . . I say that I stumble and fall - in that instant I am 'in darkness' but I am still a child of God; still have the Holy Spirit to convict me of my wrong and I ask forgiveness and I am back 'in the light'. And of course God has no greater joy than that his children walk in truth and that is what each and every born again believer, child of God desires to do. We desire to walk after his commandments - the thing is we live in this body of flesh and it is a battle - hopefully most times we will win but there will be times when we won't and he has made provision for that in 1 John 1:9. So no walking = conviction = forgiveness = saved.
Eph 1:4; 2 Pet 3:14 says the Christian is spotless, holy and without blame. 1 Jn 1:7 shows only those that are spotless, holy and without blame can have fellowship with God Who is Himself spotless, holy and without blame. So the CONTINUOUS walking by the Christian means Christ's blood CONTINUES to wash away ALL SIN keeping the Christian spotless and blameless so he can fellowship with God.
I was made spotless 'to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace' - because of what Christ has done - in the flesh NO but in that new man that was created in me when I was born again - I cannot please God in the flesh. The Spirit is indeed willing but the flesh is weak.
Walking in the dark is the same as being lost.
1 Jn 1:5 there is no darkness in Christ. So anyone walking in darkness is NOT in Christ and is lost.
Then there are none that are saved. . . . The context is not saved or lost - It has to do with the Christian's walk. Our standing before God is as a child and will NEVER change but out state [as in fellowship/walk] will fluctuate.
If a Christian sins as in telling a lie and repents of that sin then his repentance is proof he is continuing to walk in the light and will have that sinned cleansed. if a Christian abandons walking in the light altogether, then his sins are not cleansed away.

I find it interesting you say "but when I realized what I had done - I asked forgiveness - I am immediately forgiven and restored back in fellowship walking in the light..."

You say "I ask forgiveness" Asking forgiveness/repentance is walking in the light and required to have sins cleansed. You just made salvation CONDITIONAL upon asking for forgiveness. Eternal Security says salvation is UNCONDITIONAL. So if the Christian does not CONDITIONALLY ask for forgiveness/repent he is not walking in the light and sins are not cleansed = lost.
No, I didn't make salvation CONDITIONAL. I didn't say that someone HAD TO ASK forgiveness for salvation but to restore fellowship with the Father and the Son. I was giving a hypothetical example. I AM SAYING that my salvation is based on my confessing Jesus Christ as Lord and believing God raised him from the dead - PERIOD! At that point I am born again and the Spirit of God dwells within me . . . so even if I sin and don't realize it - I am still God's kid.
The Jews were God's elect, God's chosen just as Christians are today. The Jews were in a covenant relationship with God, a saved condition. Yet God cast them off and they became lost, Rom chpts 10 & 11. God could not have cast them off if they were never God's to begin with. Num 12:14 how could God disinherit them if they were not His children to disinherit?
The Jews [the children of Israel] were not born again of God's Spirit . . . big difference there. We have been made partakers of his divine nature. That's what people don't seem to get - we have God in Christ dwelling in us via the gift of holy spirit . . . It can't be unborn . . . oh well. . . <sigh>
 
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once Christ comes, and the Church is gathered (raptured) there will be no more second chances.
If you miss the boat, there is no third coming. You're in for judgement.

To say that there is a second chance for carnal 'Christians' after the rapture
is going against everything that Christ said about His return, and all that the prophets say about Christs return.
Sorry, we have to agree to disagree. Have a nice day.
 
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The answer is found in the fact that the Bible views salvation from two different perspective, or sides: there is God's side and there is man's side. From God's side, the Bible teaches that all of the elect of God will be saved and can not lost eternal life. Jesus will never lost one of His sheep. This is an absolute fact that can not be denied. The man's perspective is a very subjective, experiential side which we live out and we can come to a conclusion that we are saved or that we are not save: because of how we live or don't live for God. The assurance of our faith is always based upon how well we live in holiness and the witness of the Holy Spirit to our holy living. To teach that our salvation and assurance of salvation is based upon faith in Jesus only is the lie of the Devil. The condition for salvation are,1. repent of sin, 2. Trust in Jesus alone, 3. Obey Jesus as Lord. If a teacher of the word of God doesn't agree on three points, there is not talking to them about the things of God because they have perverted the first principles of the Gospel of God. It does one no good if they believe, "once saved always saved", If they can not convinced ourselves that they are converted from sin to a holy way of life. Love to all. Hoffco
Excellent post! It just breaks my heart to see so many Christians not ready to be raptured. So few will be raptured because the mass refuse to separate reality from truth. Oh well!! they will get their second chance while running for their lives under the reign of the Anti-Christ. The Scripture is pretty much explanatory about what sins are not allowed in heaven. Galatians 5:16-26 explain it perfectly. If one is so-called saved and commit these sins, they will not be allowed in heaven.
 
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Excellent post! It just breaks my heart to see so many Christians not ready to be raptured. So few will be raptured because the mass refuse to separate reality from truth. Oh well!! they will get their second chance while running for their lives under the reign of the Anti-Christ. The Scripture is pretty much explanatory about what sins are not allowed in heaven.
I thank God that we will not be on earth as we will have already been removed from the evil of the most troubling period in the history of mankind. I hope the rapture happens today. If not it will happen tomorrow or the next day but it will indeed happen and almost certainly in our lifetime. I already have my ticket punched to my next destination and now I am just waiting for the transport. Hoffco's posts are usually right on the money. I find yours enlightening as well.
 
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I thank God that we will not be on earth as we will have already been removed from the evil of the most troubling period in the history of mankind. I hope the rapture happens today. If not it will happen tomorrow or the next day but it will indeed happen and almost certainly in our lifetime. I already have my ticket punched to my next destination and now I am just waiting for the transport. Hoffco's posts are usually right on the money. I find yours enlightening as well.
Your post is another excellent one and I am glad I am not alone. We are supposed to be ready for the call any time now, meaning we must continue our praying, repenting and obeying God's righteous laws & statues at all times. I see that you are ready and it really fills my heart with joy.
 
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That is a life long process and Jesus gave a clue:

Luk 9:24 For if you want to save your own life, you will lose it, but if you lose your life for my sake, you will save it.

It refers to everydays doing and dying.

Deeds and resigning, negleting some things nor those desired so selfishly done.
 
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Excellent post! It just breaks my heart to see so many Christians not ready to be raptured. So few will be raptured because the mass refuse to separate reality from truth. Oh well!! they will get their second chance while running for their lives under the reign of the Anti-Christ. The Scripture is pretty much explanatory about what sins are not allowed in heaven. Galatians 5:16-26 explain it perfectly. If one is so-called saved and commit these sins, they will not be allowed in heaven.
Perhaps, i don´t know, there are several around expecting to be raptured individually, taken home, not collectibly.


Luk 17:30 This is exactly how it will be when the Son of Man comes again.
Luk 17:31 "On that day if a man is on his roof, he will not have time to go inside and get his things. If a man is in the field, he cannot go back home.
Luk 17:32 Remember what happened to Lot's wife!
Luk 17:33 "Whoever tries to keep the life they have will lose it. But whoever gives up their life will save it.
Luk 17:34 That night there may be two people sleeping in one room. One will be taken and the other will be left.
Luk 17:35 There may be two women working together. One will be taken and the other will be left."
Luk 17:36 ["Two men will be in the same field. One man will be taken, but the other man will be left behind."]
Luk 17:37 The followers asked Jesus, "Where will this be, Lord?" Jesus answered, "It's like looking for a dead body--you will find it where the vultures are gathering above."
 

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Perhaps, i don´t know, there are several around expecting to be raptured individually, taken home, not collectibly.


Luk 17:30 This is exactly how it will be when the Son of Man comes again.
Luk 17:31 "On that day if a man is on his roof, he will not have time to go inside and get his things. If a man is in the field, he cannot go back home.
Luk 17:32 Remember what happened to Lot's wife!
Luk 17:33 "Whoever tries to keep the life they have will lose it. But whoever gives up their life will save it.
Luk 17:34 That night there may be two people sleeping in one room. One will be taken and the other will be left.
Luk 17:35 There may be two women working together. One will be taken and the other will be left."
Luk 17:36 ["Two men will be in the same field. One man will be taken, but the other man will be left behind."]
Luk 17:37 The followers asked Jesus, "Where will this be, Lord?" Jesus answered, "It's like looking for a dead body--you will find it where the vultures are gathering above."
Greetings Secular,

None of those passages have the rapture in them. The persons apparently taken in judgment. There is no catching up in Luke 17, nor in the Olivet Discourse. There is no meeting in the air. There is no returning to Heaven taking the Church with Christ there.

The rapture is in 1 Th 4:17. And the coming of Christ which occasions the rapture is apparently also in John 14.

There are some 9 raptures in the Bible, none in Luke 17.
 
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the wicked who break Gods laws will not enter heaven.
that is a Bible doctrine from genesis to revelation'
 

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The condition for salvation are,1. repent of sin, 2. Trust in Jesus alone, 3. Obey Jesus as Lord.
False, Hoffco. You teach a false gospel.

The only condition for salvation is belief/faith in Christ, as repeated over & over; for example:

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved. No ifs ands or buts.

Thus the only repentance (metanoia) that saves is a change from non-belief to belief in the Savior. Metanoia means change of mind, not being sorry or turning over a new leaf. Metamelomai is another word used which does imply sorrow, but that does not save -- Judas had that one, then went & hanged himself.

Could my tears forever flow;
Could my zeal no languor know;
These for sin could not atone;
Thou must save, & thou alone;
In my hand no price I bring,
Simply to thy cross I cling.


But it is implicit when one trusts Christ as Savior that one comes as a sinner -- else one would need no savior.

"Obey Jesus as Lord" is a pernicious heresy. That is salvation by works, which is against God's word. You do not get saved by obeying or promising to obey God's commandments. Obeying Christ as Lord is something to do after one is saved. And obeying Him as the One Who loves you, is an even higher principle.

For by grace you have been saved through faith,
and that not of yourselves,
not of works lest anyone should boast.

There is indeed only one commandment to obey in order to be saved; but that one is this one:

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.

Now any who have been trusting in themselves & their obedience are urged to trust Christ as Savior now. And any who have reduced Him to mere "chance-giver" are urged to trust Him as Savior now.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sins.
 

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If we continue in sin, after we have asked Jesus to be our personal Savior, are we really in a saved relationship, are we converted? Here is an aswer "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." Hebrews 10:26.

Now just where in your Heb 10 quote does save, salvation or Savior occur? No where. It is typical that those who want Christians to lose salvation have no scripture, but try to use passages that say nothing about salvation. Lose & salvation occur never in any single verse together.

Generally problem passages like the one you quote find their explanation if you keep reading. In this case the explanation is in 10:29:
"But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul. "


Heb 10 says:
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we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
"he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever,"
His sacrifice covers all sins forever.
"by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified."
That means eternal security. The believers have been set apart as special to God (sanctified), and they are perfected forever.

Since the word says
"Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins," there is a limit to the sin of the believer.

Read Hebrews 10 completely with a mind open to the conviction of the Spirit. But better, focus on direct statements of scripture about God's promises of eternal life and the security of the one who trusts Christ as Savior. "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish." And if a passage does not say "lose salvation," (or equivalent terms) do not twist it to mean that. There is the fact of apostasy, explained by Heb 6:9 and 1 John 2, which apostasy proves they were never part of the Body of Christ. And there is chastisement of God's people which keeps them saved and proves that they were saved. And chastisement can be severe, but it is no loss of salvation.

Heb 10:

For the law having a shadow of the good things to come, not the very image of the things, can never with the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect them that draw nigh. Else would they not have ceased to be offered? because the worshippers, having been once cleansed, would have had no more consciousness of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance made of sins year by year. For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith,
Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not,
But a body didst thou prepare for me;
In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hadst no pleasure:
Then said I, Lo, I am come
(In the roll of the book it is written of me)
To do thy will, O God.


Saying above, Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein (the which are offered according to the law), then hath he said, Lo, I am come to do thy will. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest indeed standeth day by day ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, the which can never take away sins: but he, when he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; henceforth expecting till his enemies be made the footstool of his feet. For
by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified. And

d their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


At the end of Heb is an explanatory verse:

But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul.


To anyone reading this, if you have been unwilling to trust Christ as Savior, and have dismissed Him as a mere chance-giver, now is the day of salvation. Trust Him now as Savior.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
 

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False, Hoffco. You teach a false gospel.

The only condition for salvation is belief/faith in Christ, as repeated over & over; for example:

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved. No ifs ands or buts.

Thus the only repentance (metanoia) that saves is a change from non-belief to belief in the Savior. Metanoia means change of mind, not being sorry or turning over a new leaf. Metamelomai is another word used which does imply sorrow, but that does not save -- Judas had that one, then went & hanged himself.

Could my tears forever flow;
Could my zeal no languor know;
These for sin could not atone;
Thou must save, & thou alone;
In my hand no price I bring,
Simply to thy cross I cling.


But it is implicit when one trusts Christ as Savior that one comes as a sinner -- else one would need no savior.

"Obey Jesus as Lord" is a pernicious heresy. That is salvation by works, which is against God's word. You do not get saved by obeying or promising to obey God's commandments. Obeying Christ as Lord is something to do after one is saved. And obeying Him as the One Who loves you, is an even higher principle.

For by grace you have been saved through faith,
and that not of yourselves,
not of works lest anyone should boast.

There is indeed only one commandment to obey in order to be saved; but that one is this one:

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.

Now any who have been trusting in themselves & their obedience are urged to trust Christ as Savior now. And any who have reduced Him to mere "chance-giver" are urged to trust Him as Savior now.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sins.
I agree 90%, but the 10% disagreement is dangerous.

Works are a sign of faith.
If works are not present, then where is the faith? It is not there.
Works do not bring salvation, nor are they a condition for salvation,

HOWEVER, saving faith always inspires faithfulness, and good works.
"By their fruit you will know them."

To "have faith in Christ" cannot truly be separated from "making Him Lord".
It is not about the works, but the works will always be present in the walk of a Believer.

Do you agree?
I think all of us agree on this,
but we have a hard time expressing it properly.
 
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Now just where in your Heb 10 quote does save, salvation or Savior occur? No where. It is typical that those who want Christians to lose salvation have no scripture, but try to use passages that say nothing about salvation. Lose & salvation occur never in any single verse together.

Generally problem passages like the one you quote find their explanation if you keep reading. In this case the explanation is in 10:29:
"But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul. "


Heb 10 says:
"
we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
"he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever,"
His sacrifice covers all sins forever.
"by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified."
That means eternal security. The believers have been set apart as special to God (sanctified), and they are perfected forever.

Since the word says
"Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins," there is a limit to the sin of the believer.

Read Hebrews 10 completely with a mind open to the conviction of the Spirit. But better, focus on direct statements of scripture about God's promises of eternal life and the security of the one who trusts Christ as Savior. "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish." And if a passage does not say "lose salvation," (or equivalent terms) do not twist it to mean that. There is the fact of apostasy, explained by Heb 6:9 and 1 John 2, which apostasy proves they were never part of the Body of Christ. And there is chastisement of God's people which keeps them saved and proves that they were saved. And chastisement can be severe, but it is no loss of salvation.

Heb 10:

For the law having a shadow of the good things to come, not the very image of the things, can never with the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect them that draw nigh. Else would they not have ceased to be offered? because the worshippers, having been once cleansed, would have had no more consciousness of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance made of sins year by year. For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith,
Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not,
But a body didst thou prepare for me;
In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hadst no pleasure:
Then said I, Lo, I am come
(In the roll of the book it is written of me)
To do thy will, O God.


Saying above, Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein (the which are offered according to the law), then hath he said, Lo, I am come to do thy will. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest indeed standeth day by day ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, the which can never take away sins: but he, when he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; henceforth expecting till his enemies be made the footstool of his feet. For
by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified. And

d their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


At the end of Heb is an explanatory verse:

But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul.


To anyone reading this, if you have been unwilling to trust Christ as Savior, and have dismissed Him as a mere chance-giver, now is the day of salvation. Trust Him now as Savior.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
What you just comment on was not written by me but by another poster. But I agree with it. You have a right to comment on any post as you feel, as long as you remember that you are not a 'prophet' holier than anyone on CC. You have a bad habit of trying to overpower posters with your large type. I won't stand for any of it.
 
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The answer is found in the fact that the Bible views salvation from two different perspective, or sides: there is God's side and there is man's side. From God's side, the Bible teaches that all of the elect of God will be saved and can not lost eternal life. Jesus will never lost one of His sheep. This is an absolute fact that can not be denied. The man's perspective is a very subjective, experiential side which we live out and we can come to a conclusion that we are saved or that we are not save: because of how we live or don't live for God. The assurance of our faith is always based upon how well we live in holiness and the witness of the Holy Spirit to our holy living. To teach that our salvation and assurance of salvation is based upon faith in Jesus only is the lie of the Devil. The condition for salvation are,1. repent of sin, 2. Trust in Jesus alone, 3. Obey Jesus as Lord. If a teacher of the word of God doesn't agree on three points, there is not talking to them about the things of God because they have perverted the first principles of the Gospel of God. It does one no good if they believe, "once saved always saved", If they can not convinced ourselves that they are converted from sin to a holy way of life. Love to all. Hoffco
Per your usual, another excellent post.
 
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Paul was always saying
be faithful dont loose your salvation!
 
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Paul was always saying
be faithful dont loose your salvation!
I agree, Because you are viewing salvation from man's perspective, Paul does this in 1Tim.4:16, "Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save yourself and those who hear you." The epistles are Full of this perspective. The epistles are Full also, of God's perspective. Rom.8:38-39 "For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, ... nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Love to all, Hoffco, ps. I am very excite, and our congregation is very excited, over my desire to return to the USA, with my new wife of 7 yrs, for a preaching tour and to raise money for our mission. If your church or group would like to have us ,please contact us at [email protected] Rev. Douglas and Imelda Roberts Davao City, Philippines.
 
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Now just where in your Heb 10 quote does save, salvation or Savior occur? No where. It is typical that those who want Christians to lose salvation have no scripture, but try to use passages that say nothing about salvation. Lose & salvation occur never in any single verse together.

Generally problem passages like the one you quote find their explanation if you keep reading. In this case the explanation is in 10:29:
"But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul. "


Heb 10 says:
"
we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
"he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever,"
His sacrifice covers all sins forever.
"by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified."
That means eternal security. The believers have been set apart as special to God (sanctified), and they are perfected forever.

Since the word says
"Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins," there is a limit to the sin of the believer.

Read Hebrews 10 completely with a mind open to the conviction of the Spirit. But better, focus on direct statements of scripture about God's promises of eternal life and the security of the one who trusts Christ as Savior. "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish." And if a passage does not say "lose salvation," (or equivalent terms) do not twist it to mean that. There is the fact of apostasy, explained by Heb 6:9 and 1 John 2, which apostasy proves they were never part of the Body of Christ. And there is chastisement of God's people which keeps them saved and proves that they were saved. And chastisement can be severe, but it is no loss of salvation.

Heb 10:

For the law having a shadow of the good things to come, not the very image of the things, can never with the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect them that draw nigh. Else would they not have ceased to be offered? because the worshippers, having been once cleansed, would have had no more consciousness of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance made of sins year by year. For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith,
Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not,
But a body didst thou prepare for me;
In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hadst no pleasure:
Then said I, Lo, I am come
(In the roll of the book it is written of me)
To do thy will, O God.


Saying above, Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein (the which are offered according to the law), then hath he said, Lo, I am come to do thy will. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest indeed standeth day by day ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, the which can never take away sins: but he, when he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; henceforth expecting till his enemies be made the footstool of his feet. For
by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified. And

d their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


At the end of Heb is an explanatory verse:

But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul.


To anyone reading this, if you have been unwilling to trust Christ as Savior, and have dismissed Him as a mere chance-giver, now is the day of salvation. Trust Him now as Savior.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Among your many absurd posts, this one just may just top them all. Absurd because the Hebrew writer doesn't use the same words you insist he must use, apparently that's not good enough for you, so the passage doesn't count. Absurd because you accuse those who don't agree with you wanting Christians to lose their salvation. Absurd because you "answer" questions by pitting scripture against scripture and quoting a bunch of scriptures most of which have nothing to do with the question. Let me Tell you something Atwood, you're a faith only guy, but nowhere does it say we are saved by faith only. Ironically, it says just the opposite. Acts. 2:24.