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Thanks to you and biscuit and secular hermit; you have made me rejoice in my tough battle with opposition. But, my aim is to forget the battle and to focus on the "preaching,in season or out of season" Not all love the whole truth and to them I said, Please leave and go to a Church you agree with, and be blessed in Jesus name. Love to all, Hoffco
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Yes, I believe in the "once saved, always saved" philosophy (except if you curse the Holy Spirit). I just think it rubs people the wrong way that you may look up and find a former murderer in heaven with you. The truth is the truth. There are 1050 commandments in the new testament. We all backslide in some way or another. Just because you aren't fornicating, stealing or murdering doesn't mean you are in the clear. If that's the case that we can lose our salvation every time we willingly sin, we'd all be going to hell.
How about a 50 percent agree LOL.
Yes good works must follow faith & salvation with recreation to be good-works producer (Eph 2).
But trusting Christ as Savior can be & must be separated from obeying Him as boss after we are saved.
Eph 2 separates faith from works, adding that works follow salvation -- they are not the cause of salvation.
Now when one trusts Christ as Savior one must trust the real Lord Jesus, not a figment of the imagination, not Jesús the Mexican mechanic, not Michael the archangel. We confess or agree with God as to Who He is. And He is YHWH, the Lord of all.
Yet it is not a promise to obey nor obeying with good works that saves, it is grace.
Once we are saved we do have the admonition:
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And be not fashioned according to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Rom 12:1-2.
This very admonition recognizes that as Salvation is a free gift of grace, the believer who is saved may need to present Himself to the Lord for service.
Now I have no objection to encouraging persons at the time of salvation to accept that Jesus will be the Lord-authority in their life, but one should be careful also not to present that we get saved by promising to obey.
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
By grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works.
Yes good works must follow faith & salvation with recreation to be good-works producer (Eph 2).
But trusting Christ as Savior can be & must be separated from obeying Him as boss after we are saved.
Eph 2 separates faith from works, adding that works follow salvation -- they are not the cause of salvation.
Now when one trusts Christ as Savior one must trust the real Lord Jesus, not a figment of the imagination, not Jesús the Mexican mechanic, not Michael the archangel. We confess or agree with God as to Who He is. And He is YHWH, the Lord of all.
Yet it is not a promise to obey nor obeying with good works that saves, it is grace.
Once we are saved we do have the admonition:
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And be not fashioned according to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Rom 12:1-2.
This very admonition recognizes that as Salvation is a free gift of grace, the believer who is saved may need to present Himself to the Lord for service.
Now I have no objection to encouraging persons at the time of salvation to accept that Jesus will be the Lord-authority in their life, but one should be careful also not to present that we get saved by promising to obey.
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
By grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works.
The Bible is clear that no Liar will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, that all liars will burn in the lake of fire and brimstone (rev 21:8)
It is is written that no fornicator or adulterer will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
I assure you the Bible is True. if you continue to live in fornication, YOU ARE and fornicator, it doesn't matter what you claim with your mouth "I'm Saved" or "I'm under the Blood" or "I'm under Grace" You reveal what is in your heart by living in fornication, your actions prove what is in your heart, matters not what you say with your mouth.
Just because people believe ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED, does not, nor ever will NEGATE inspired by God SCriptures that teach fornicators will NOT enter into Heaven. So this generation can go ahead and claim to be SAVED with their mouths and continue to fornicate, they will be the ones who are weeping and gnashing their teeth when they are not taken even though they thought they should have been, because they believed the lie that if you get Saved, you are always saved. Please i beg any of you who believe that false doctrine to click on and link above to read for your yourself what the Bible says about this matter.
Once Saved Always Saved is a lie, and HERE is Biblical Proof of that Truth.
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It is is written that no fornicator or adulterer will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
I assure you the Bible is True. if you continue to live in fornication, YOU ARE and fornicator, it doesn't matter what you claim with your mouth "I'm Saved" or "I'm under the Blood" or "I'm under Grace" You reveal what is in your heart by living in fornication, your actions prove what is in your heart, matters not what you say with your mouth.
Just because people believe ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED, does not, nor ever will NEGATE inspired by God SCriptures that teach fornicators will NOT enter into Heaven. So this generation can go ahead and claim to be SAVED with their mouths and continue to fornicate, they will be the ones who are weeping and gnashing their teeth when they are not taken even though they thought they should have been, because they believed the lie that if you get Saved, you are always saved. Please i beg any of you who believe that false doctrine to click on and link above to read for your yourself what the Bible says about this matter.
Once Saved Always Saved is a lie, and HERE is Biblical Proof of that Truth.
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The difference is the true believer in Christ will feel sorrow for what they did, and repent and ask for forgiveness of that sin.
Those that walk around claiming to be Christians and saying they are saved, but do not think anything they are doing is wrong, therefore do not repent or ask for forgiveness will not be saved.
Those that walk around claiming to be Christians and saying they are saved, but do not think anything they are doing is wrong, therefore do not repent or ask for forgiveness will not be saved.
Greetings TJ. I don't disagree with you.
However, I prefer OSS = Once saved, saved! Or Eternal Security.
OSAS seems to me to postulate that the concept of being saved, but not always saved, is a legitimate concept. The very term saved to me makes no sense if it were temporary. How could I be saved if I will end up in the Lake of Fire? In that case I would say that I was not saved, but given a chance at salvation.
So the question of where does the Bible say you cannot lose salvation or where does the Bible say that salvation is eternal, begs the question of what is inherent in the term salvation. Is "salvation" a thing that is losable in its concept? I think not. The question rather for the doubter is "Where does the Bible present salvation as something losable?" Where in the Bible do the words lose & salvation even occur in the same verse? Answer = nowhere.
However, I prefer OSS = Once saved, saved! Or Eternal Security.
OSAS seems to me to postulate that the concept of being saved, but not always saved, is a legitimate concept. The very term saved to me makes no sense if it were temporary. How could I be saved if I will end up in the Lake of Fire? In that case I would say that I was not saved, but given a chance at salvation.
So the question of where does the Bible say you cannot lose salvation or where does the Bible say that salvation is eternal, begs the question of what is inherent in the term salvation. Is "salvation" a thing that is losable in its concept? I think not. The question rather for the doubter is "Where does the Bible present salvation as something losable?" Where in the Bible do the words lose & salvation even occur in the same verse? Answer = nowhere.
I John 1:7 But if (CONDITIONAL) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
ONLY IF we walk in the light does He cleanse us from all sin. So if a person is walking in fornication, they are NOT walking in the light are they? If one is viewing pornography are they walking in the light as Jesus did? God Forbid. How is one walking in the light if they continue to lie all the time? they are not walking in the light. How is one walking in the light if they are not LOVING ONE ANOTHER?
Again Scriptures are True and what men teach is false. IF we walk in the light as Jesus did, THEN does His blood cleanseth us from all sin, but NOT before then.
Many claim they are cleansed by His blood (Saved) but do NOT walk in the light as He did, and still think they are Saved and Cleansed, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth by many Christians who think they are Saved and Cleansed but who Scripturally speaking are not. i, in love warn you of this, change and repent of your sins, and cease from them. Jesus in you can give you the Strength to do so.
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ONLY IF we walk in the light does He cleanse us from all sin. So if a person is walking in fornication, they are NOT walking in the light are they? If one is viewing pornography are they walking in the light as Jesus did? God Forbid. How is one walking in the light if they continue to lie all the time? they are not walking in the light. How is one walking in the light if they are not LOVING ONE ANOTHER?
Again Scriptures are True and what men teach is false. IF we walk in the light as Jesus did, THEN does His blood cleanseth us from all sin, but NOT before then.
Many claim they are cleansed by His blood (Saved) but do NOT walk in the light as He did, and still think they are Saved and Cleansed, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth by many Christians who think they are Saved and Cleansed but who Scripturally speaking are not. i, in love warn you of this, change and repent of your sins, and cease from them. Jesus in you can give you the Strength to do so.
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Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.
The lie is your claim.
Now here is God's Truth:
Jehovah redeemeth the soul of his servants;
And none of them that take refuge in him shall be condemned.
Ps 52
But as for me, I am like a green olive-tree in the house of God:
I trust in the lovingkindness of God for ever and ever.
I will give thee thanks for ever, because thou hast done it;
1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.
Col 3
If then ye were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth. For ye died, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory.
2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.
End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
THE OVERCOMER
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
In II Thess. 3:3 “But the Lord is faithful, who shall establish you, and guard you from the evil one.”
In II Tim. 1:12 he sounds a note of rejoicing: “For I know Him whom I have believed, and I am persuaded that He is able to guard that which I have committed unto Him against that day.”
4:18 glories in the fact that the Lord will deliver him from every evil work and will save him unto His heavenly kingdom.
2 Tim 1:8-9
… God; who saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before times eternal,
2 thes 2:16-17 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.
Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
Romans 8:34
Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Philippians 3:20-21
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.
Ps 138
"thy right hand will save me.
YHWH will perfect that which concerns me:"
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in
For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Hebrews 10:14
For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
John 4:14
But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Psalm 34:22
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned.
Jude 1:24
Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy,
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Colossians 1:13
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,
Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
Hebrews 9:15
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Ephesians 1:1-23
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus
Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
The lie is your claim.
Now here is God's Truth:
Jehovah redeemeth the soul of his servants;
And none of them that take refuge in him shall be condemned.
Ps 52
But as for me, I am like a green olive-tree in the house of God:
I trust in the lovingkindness of God for ever and ever.
I will give thee thanks for ever, because thou hast done it;
1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.
Col 3
If then ye were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth. For ye died, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory.
2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.
End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
THE OVERCOMER
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
In II Thess. 3:3 “But the Lord is faithful, who shall establish you, and guard you from the evil one.”
In II Tim. 1:12 he sounds a note of rejoicing: “For I know Him whom I have believed, and I am persuaded that He is able to guard that which I have committed unto Him against that day.”
4:18 glories in the fact that the Lord will deliver him from every evil work and will save him unto His heavenly kingdom.
2 Tim 1:8-9
… God; who saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before times eternal,
2 thes 2:16-17 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.
Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
Romans 8:34
Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Philippians 3:20-21
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.
Ps 138
"thy right hand will save me.
YHWH will perfect that which concerns me:"
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in
For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Hebrews 10:14
For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
John 4:14
But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Psalm 34:22
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned.
Jude 1:24
Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy,
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Colossians 1:13
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,
Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
Hebrews 9:15
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Ephesians 1:1-23
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus
Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
K
Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God
How does one get washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit ?
Answer : By believing in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and what He did for us, and repenting plus asking forgiveness of your
sins. Turning away from those sins.
You can not still walk in them and still be saved.
How does one get washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit ?
Answer : By believing in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and what He did for us, and repenting plus asking forgiveness of your
sins. Turning away from those sins.
You can not still walk in them and still be saved.
W
No you are saying this:
Jezus + Repent + Good Works = Salvation
You are listening to the word of men; there is no full trust that Jesus will save you as you believe that your works will show that you are saved. YOUR WORKS and if you dont hold to them then you fail, meaning you are putting salvation in your hands not that of Jesus. He is not there to make the law easier for us to hold, no he is there to save.
Jesus + Nothing = Salvation
Believe in the Lord and you shal be saved, plenty of scriptures that say this.
May you please supply scriptures stating you may not sin if you are saved or is this too hard?
Jezus + Repent + Good Works = Salvation
You are listening to the word of men; there is no full trust that Jesus will save you as you believe that your works will show that you are saved. YOUR WORKS and if you dont hold to them then you fail, meaning you are putting salvation in your hands not that of Jesus. He is not there to make the law easier for us to hold, no he is there to save.
Jesus + Nothing = Salvation
Believe in the Lord and you shal be saved, plenty of scriptures that say this.
May you please supply scriptures stating you may not sin if you are saved or is this too hard?
K
So you don't believe you have to repent or ask for forgiveness for your sins in order to be saved ?
Thing is our Lord Jesus says you do.
Yes there is plenty of scriptures that say believe in the Lord, and you shall be saved.
There is also plenty that say, must be born again to be saved, must repent, must forgive or you will not be forgiven, and so forth.
To many erase all the rest that Jesus said to be saved, and just water it down to mere belief ( He existed and died on the cross and rose on the third day ).
There is more to it than that. Read Matthew 25, both groups believed in Jesus as Lord, but only one's groups faith was strong enough that they did what they were suppose to out of love and not obligation. Lord Jesus said to those come to eternal life, and the other group He cast away to ever lasting punishment.
Thing is our Lord Jesus says you do.
Yes there is plenty of scriptures that say believe in the Lord, and you shall be saved.
There is also plenty that say, must be born again to be saved, must repent, must forgive or you will not be forgiven, and so forth.
To many erase all the rest that Jesus said to be saved, and just water it down to mere belief ( He existed and died on the cross and rose on the third day ).
There is more to it than that. Read Matthew 25, both groups believed in Jesus as Lord, but only one's groups faith was strong enough that they did what they were suppose to out of love and not obligation. Lord Jesus said to those come to eternal life, and the other group He cast away to ever lasting punishment.
Have you heard of the logical fallacy called
"denying the antecedent"?
What is your proof of the "only if"?
Does your Bible say "only"?
Could this be John 13:
Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is bathed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit:
Heb 10:
For the law having a shadow of the good things to come, not the very image of the things, can never with the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect them that draw nigh. Else would they not have ceased to be offered? because the worshippers, having been once cleansed, would have had no more consciousness of sins. But in those sacrificesthere is a remembrance made of sins year by year. For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith,
Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not,
But a body didst thou prepare for me;
In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hadst no pleasure:
Then said I, Lo, I am come
(In the roll of the book it is written of me)
To do thy will, O God.
Saying above, Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein (the which are offered according to the law), then hath he said, Lo, I am come to do thy will. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest indeed standeth day by day ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, the which can never take away sins: but he, when he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; henceforth expecting till his enemies be made the footstool of his feet. For
by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified. And the Holy Spirit also beareth witness to us; for after he hath said,
This is the covenant that I will make with them
After those days, saith the Lord:
I will put my laws on their heart,
And upon their mind also will I write them;
then saith he,
And their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
"denying the antecedent"?
What is your proof of the "only if"?
Does your Bible say "only"?
Could this be John 13:
Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is bathed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit:
Heb 10:
For the law having a shadow of the good things to come, not the very image of the things, can never with the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect them that draw nigh. Else would they not have ceased to be offered? because the worshippers, having been once cleansed, would have had no more consciousness of sins. But in those sacrificesthere is a remembrance made of sins year by year. For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith,
Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not,
But a body didst thou prepare for me;
In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hadst no pleasure:
Then said I, Lo, I am come
(In the roll of the book it is written of me)
To do thy will, O God.
Saying above, Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein (the which are offered according to the law), then hath he said, Lo, I am come to do thy will. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest indeed standeth day by day ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, the which can never take away sins: but he, when he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; henceforth expecting till his enemies be made the footstool of his feet. For
by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified. And the Holy Spirit also beareth witness to us; for after he hath said,
This is the covenant that I will make with them
After those days, saith the Lord:
I will put my laws on their heart,
And upon their mind also will I write them;
then saith he,
And their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
W
I miss-worded my opinion, here for I apologize.
Of cause you need to repent to be accepted into Jesus, how can one believe that Jesus saves and yet not acknowledge there own faults? No, that is foolishness and is not what the Bibel teaches, I believe that even though I am forgiven and accepted by Christ I am still human and will mess up as we are not perfect. But even though I sin and mess up Jesus forgives me as I have acknowledged that I am wrong and that only Jesus can help me. My life is in his hands and I will serve him, but if I stumble I am not ripped away from him.
Of cause you need to repent to be accepted into Jesus, how can one believe that Jesus saves and yet not acknowledge there own faults? No, that is foolishness and is not what the Bibel teaches, I believe that even though I am forgiven and accepted by Christ I am still human and will mess up as we are not perfect. But even though I sin and mess up Jesus forgives me as I have acknowledged that I am wrong and that only Jesus can help me. My life is in his hands and I will serve him, but if I stumble I am not ripped away from him.
W
Also;
Scriptures on salvation:
Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
(Believe and you will be saved.)
Romans 10:9
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
(No ifs or buts here believe and you WILL be saved.)
In fact just to make sure we didn't miss anything lets read verses 8-10
Romans 10:8-10
But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
(Oh dear, with the mouth one confesses and IS saved)
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
(Hammer blow here, "not your own doing" and "not a result of works". Works change nothing.)
Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How do you read it?” And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” And he said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live.”
(See how there is no "Do not sin or live perfectly" here.)
And now...
Galatians 2:16
Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Ouch...
All for OSAS and ES.
Scriptures on salvation:
Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
(Believe and you will be saved.)
Romans 10:9
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
(No ifs or buts here believe and you WILL be saved.)
In fact just to make sure we didn't miss anything lets read verses 8-10
Romans 10:8-10
But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
(Oh dear, with the mouth one confesses and IS saved)
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
(Hammer blow here, "not your own doing" and "not a result of works". Works change nothing.)
Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How do you read it?” And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” And he said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live.”
(See how there is no "Do not sin or live perfectly" here.)
And now...
Galatians 2:16
Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Ouch...
All for OSAS and ES.
K
Yes, and like I said you acknowledge that you did wrong and asked for forgiveness of it.
However there are some that believe they can repent, accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and He died on the cross for the remission of sins, and rose on the third day, Be baptized, and ask for forgiveness of their sins.
But then think they can then go and lie, murder, still, commit adultery, and any other sin on a regular every day basis without repenting/asking forgiveness for them because they think there is no need or it isn't wrong to live this way.
That is a false teaching and very dangerous. We learn from Hebrews 10:26 you can not willfully sin after receiving the truth, and still be saved.
However there are some that believe they can repent, accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and He died on the cross for the remission of sins, and rose on the third day, Be baptized, and ask for forgiveness of their sins.
But then think they can then go and lie, murder, still, commit adultery, and any other sin on a regular every day basis without repenting/asking forgiveness for them because they think there is no need or it isn't wrong to live this way.
That is a false teaching and very dangerous. We learn from Hebrews 10:26 you can not willfully sin after receiving the truth, and still be saved.