The Fixed Earth

[jcspartan]

Heh... I can only guess that you made a bit of a typo there.


Excellent point.

Ooops Yeah sure it was a typo

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Good grief, Cup, you are raving like a lunatic. Science is not satantic.

I said Coperican heliocentricty is satanic in origin, science agrees with geocentricty I have shown, why do you bear false testimony?

 

[Graybeard]

I did say I checked, there were two disinfo's circulated, so a spent two minutes verifying, then was guided by the spirit of truth which revealed the error of both mainstream accounts, the only conclusion was that it was a meteor, which is the truth, so now you've been told the truth, you laugh at it, that is not wise but very foolish.

Are you avoiding giving out where you got you information from?
you spent a whole two minutes verifying??....really??
So what you are saying is that The Spirit of Truth led you to believe that everyone who witnessed this event actually saw a meteor crashing into the moon and not spacecraft fired from earth?....why don't you research how long NASA spent planning this event or do you think a devious plan was suddenly sprung into action as soon as it was discovered that there was a meteor that was going to crash into the moon and they knew exactly where to tell everyone where to point their telescopes and at what time it would happen?

 

[Ancilla]

"It is like a mustard seed, which is the smallest seed you plant in the ground." -Mark 4:31

I read once read a story in a magazine for Christian teenagers. A non-Christian told a Christian that Jesus said the mustard seed was the smallest of all seeds, but that an orchid seed is even smaller. Does that mean that Jesus didn't know what he was talking about. The point of the story is that you don't have to know all the answers, but it raises a good point. Should we deny the existence of any smaller seeds because of what Jesus said?

Jesus wasn't out to tell people that he knew everything, he was out to tell people vital things in a way they'd understand. So, when he said the mustard seed is the smallest seed what I think he meant was that the mustard seed was the smallest seed any of his listeners were familiar with. I mean, if it's true that orchid seeds are smaller, how many of his disciples were in the business of planting orchids????

 

[Graybeard]

I'm more that likely going to get an earful of scientific jargon, but when a rocket/shuttle is launched into space, why is it's trajectory always in an arc? is it not due to the earths rotation??

 

[Graybeard]

"It is like a mustard seed, which is the smallest seed you plant in the ground." -Mark 4:31

I read once read a story in a magazine for Christian teenagers. A non-Christian told a Christian that Jesus said the mustard seed was the smallest of all seeds, but that an orchid seed is even smaller. Does that mean that Jesus didn't know what he was talking about. The point of the story is that you don't have to know all the answers, but it raises a good point. Should we deny the existence of any smaller seeds because of what Jesus said?

Jesus wasn't out to tell people that he knew everything, he was out to tell people vital things in a way they'd understand. So, when he said the mustard seed is the smallest seed what I think he meant was that the mustard seed was the smallest seed any of his listeners were familiar with. I mean, if it's true that orchid seeds are smaller, how many of his disciples were in the business of planting orchids????

good point!

 

[Ancilla]

LeI'm writing a book right now, it's like a devotion book, when I eventually finish it I'll have a clergyman review it. In fact, I'll open it to the scrutiny of as many Christians who've studied the Bible at a graduate level that would be willing to read it. Why? Because I desperately, desperately, don't want anything I write in that book to be contrary to the Bible lest someone who reads it would be lead astray.

You know, it's not that I don't pray over what I write, it's that I know that my ability to hear God's voice isn't perfect. If Christians who have more Biblical education and experience than I do (and are on top of that more mature Christians), these people that God will provide for me, disagree with what I've written then I'll assume that I misheard God in the first place.

 

[jcspartan]

"It is like a mustard seed, which is the smallest seed you plant in the ground." -Mark 4:31

I read once read a story in a magazine for Christian teenagers. A non-Christian told a Christian that Jesus said the mustard seed was the smallest of all seeds, but that an orchid seed is even smaller. Does that mean that Jesus didn't know what he was talking about. The point of the story is that you don't have to know all the answers, but it raises a good point. Should we deny the existence of any smaller seeds because of what Jesus said?

Jesus wasn't out to tell people that he knew everything, he was out to tell people vital things in a way they'd understand. So, when he said the mustard seed is the smallest seed what I think he meant was that the mustard seed was the smallest seed any of his listeners were familiar with. I mean, if it's true that orchid seeds are smaller, how many of his disciples were in the business of planting orchids????

Good illustration. I am going to plagerize it in the future.

 

[Graybeard]

I am going to be very violent now and "hit the sack" because it is 04:30 in the morning and the birds are chirping!

 

[Ancilla]

I'm more that likely going to get an earful of scientific jargon, but when a rocket/shuttle is launched into space, why is it's trajectory always in an arc? is it not due to the earths rotation??

Maybe he believes there's someone inside the satellites steering them or they're being controlled by a remote control. But in all seriousness, I don't know how he believes that, if the satellites were powered by fuel, in an age where fuel is a hot commodity, you'd think that getting fuel for the satellites and fuel for the spaceships that would have to refuel them would be a big issue. What I find disturbing is that it doesn't even seem like he's trying to make this sound credible. I could understand that from his point of view we can't prove that the earth revolves around the sun, but whether or not satellites are powered by rockets is a matter of inarguable fact. They are, after all, man made and therefore pictures of them and plans for them exist on earth. We could ask him what companies are building satellites with rockets and why and to produce plans for them he wouldn't be able to. But we won't bother asking because he'll just ignore us.

But seriously though, he concedes that his position is contrary to science because he said that science is satanic, but his position is weak from a Biblical standpoint too. But when I or anyone else poses questions that challenge his interpretation of the Bible, he just sidesteps them.

I think this is probably all just a big joke to him.

 

[Ancilla]

Good illustration. I am going to plagerize it in the future.

Feel free. If you want to give credit I read it in Brio which is a publication of Focus on the Family, FYI.

 

[Ancilla]

Feel free. If you want to give credit I read it in Brio which is a publication of Focus on the Family, FYI.

...and that was sometime in the mid-nineties.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

1 Chronicles 16:30. "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."

Psalms 93:1. "Thou has fixed the earth immovable and firm..."

Psalms 96:10. "He has established the earth firm, immovable..."

Psalms 104:5. "Who laid the foundations of the earth so that it could not be removed"

Isaiah 45:18. "For this saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established (kuwn - render sure, fix.) it."

The pure simple word of God declaring the earth that He created to be fixed, established firm, so that it cannot be moved.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

But seriously though, he concedes that his position is contrary to science because he said that science is satanic, but his position is weak from a Biblical standpoint too. But when I or anyone else poses questions that challenge his interpretation of the Bible, he just sidesteps them.

I think this is probably all just a big joke to him.

No, your just made false testimony, you said that I said that 'science is satanic', this is a lie, I never said that, I said 'Copernicus heliocentricity is of satanic origin', which it is, it is against Biblical scripture.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

I'm more that likely going to get an earful of scientific jargon, but when a rocket/shuttle is launched into space, why is it's trajectory always in an arc? is it not due to the earths rotation??

Because LE orbit is maintained by the speed generated by the rocket/shuttle, lose that speed and the rocket/shuttle falls back to earth.

 

[Ancilla]

No, your just made false testimony, you said that I said that 'science is satanic', this is a lie, I never said that, I said 'Copernicus heliocentricity is of satanic origin', which it is, it is against Biblical scripture.

I'm not going to waste time scanning thread trying to find where you said NASA and astrophysics is from the devil. If you never said anything of the sort, my mistake.

 

[taylor_11]

I have an idea

Lets all build a space ship and blast into space and see if the earth is moving or not ! =P

Thats my solution to this debate, hehe, who knows where we can get the money ???

(sorry, I just had to say it)

 

[Ancilla]

I think this is probably all just a big joke to him.

I suggest people stop posting on this thread. I'm seriously beginning to wonder is Cup (or whoever hijacked his account) is actually a bunch of frat boys having some laughs at our expense. Of course, if I'm write they'll say "Darn, she's on to us. Should we just ignore her or respond in an accusatory fashion?"

 

[Brackenzee]

Cup, if you believe that scripture is absolutely correct on all matters of science then your view of the world will look something like this image.

 

[Ancilla]

Cup, if you believe that scripture is absolutely correct on all matters of science then your view of the world will look something like this image.

The Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians who believed something similar to that model. It had something to do with the sun going under the sea at night time and battling it out with evil. That's why it was so significant for them when God parted the Red Sea to show that there was nothing but dry land underneath, Egypt's religion basically fell through at that point. And when you hear the Egyptians creation myth is sounds very similar to what's in Genesis. Why? Because God wanted to let the Israelites know that he was the Creator of it all and in His infinite wisdom He knew exactly how to explain it the Israelites so they'd best understand. I heard that from a well known professor at one of Canada's most distinguished Bible Colleges. That's where Eugene Peterson, who wrote The Message, is a professor.

Oh wait, I just said I wouldn't post on this thread anymore.