BEWARE the Lawkeepers

[2Thewaters]

God by Jesus grace
wants us all to walk in the commandments blameless

you have to be inspired to do that

so
get inspired
ask for it
and each day you can do it by JESUS BLOOD

that is called sanctification

the reason you dont knoow anything about thi is you are raised in the false gospel and the enemy doesnt want you to know it is even possible
for he wants to keepp you in a lost state.

Justification forgiveness by blood
sanctification by inspired keeping of the law

that is the true gaospel and I KNOW you have never heard the true gospel, no one has cause they dont read their Bibles

that will be YOUR FAULT if you listen to minister sound bites from your pulpit

i believe a minister of any reasonable large church will NEVER EVER give you the true gospel
that you must repent and change
why would he?
half the people would go to another smooth talking church!
its all about money!
the devil invented churches paying pastors so that the gospel will be shelved
the true gospel is not conducive to large churches any pastor knows it
the sad thing most paosors know the gospel
and cover it up
i have talked to some
they say its not time yet...
staus quo
dont make waves
God understands
etcetc

most want to keep as many people as possible

so
go READ YOUR BIBLE

 

[2Thewaters]

The evil ones talk bad about people
who have found the true gospel
of repentance from sin

and they say

BEWARE OF THE COMMANDMENT KEEPERS THEY WILL KILL YOU!

thats what all slaveowners tell their slaves...
dont leave you will be killed


well

you wont die
you will be set free from sinning
and you will be saved in the kingdom of righteousness right doing IN DIVINE POWER

it is awsome

there is no doubt that when inspired you can keep the law

the little voice tells you

no dont do that
no dont say that
say this
go here
dont go there
and while you listen you get through every temptaion

JESUS DOES IT
you cannot break a commandment

because the little voice tells me each friday

get ready for sabbath
o Lord

and if you have the right little voice you cannot sin

go get the voice
ask for it
and you will keep every commanment

it happened yesterday
a hot woman
i mean HOT
came and put her chest in my face
I could have said the word and had an afair yesterdy

and the little voice said
ta;l about her child
and i did
and she backed off
and I spoke what the spirit says
and she forgot all about adultery
and then I talked aobut the truth and how important it is to do right
and she left not in a bad mood
but I saved two souls

hers and mine yesterday

DONT TELL ME WE CANT STOP SINNING FOR YOU ARE A LIAR IF YOU DO

eith GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE

osas who think we cant stop sinning would have the afair and they WILL be lost

 

[2Thewaters]

my friend is an air conditioner installer
and was working repairing and air conditioner in a big BA_____ church
they think they are saved

he was up in the roof working
and
he heard the head elder and the pastor bragging about all the women they had sex with already in the church
they believe they are saved

I wuarantee you
these men will burn in hell if they dont repent

the chance of repentance is ZERO cause they dont think they have to
the devil is pretty smart

there is no OSAS because if you keep on sinning you are NOT born again
you do NOT have the bvoice
and you WILL burn.

so
repent
get saved AGAIN
get the spirt
get born again
and stop sinning
listen to the voice.

 

[Timeline]

[SUP]9 [/SUP]What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; [SUP]10 [/SUP]as it is written,
“There is none righteous, not even one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Their feet are swift to shed blood,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Destruction and misery are in their paths,
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the path of peace they have not known.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; [SUP]20 [/SUP]because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, [SUP]22 [/SUP]even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; [SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [SUP]24 [/SUP]being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; [SUP]25 [/SUP]whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; [SUP]26 [/SUP]for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. [SUP]28[/SUP]For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,
[SUP]30 [/SUP]since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.




[SUP]18 [/SUP]For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness[SUP]19 [/SUP](for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. [SUP]20 [/SUP]And inasmuch as it was not without an oath [SUP]21 [/SUP](for they indeed became priests without an oath, but He with an oath through the One who said to Him,
“The Lord has sworn
And will not change His mind,
‘You are a priest forever’”);

[SUP]22 [/SUP]so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.



[SUP]13 [/SUP]When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.


[SUP]14 [/SUP]For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,[SUP]15 [/SUP]by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; [SUP]18 [/SUP]for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. [SUP]19 [/SUP]So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, [SUP]20 [/SUP]having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, [SUP]21 [/SUP]in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, [SUP]22 [/SUP]in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.



[SUP]16 [/SUP]But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

 

[john832]

I notice you are ALWYAS WRONG

you are very Bible illiterate

try reading the bible once at least

Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

2 Pet 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2 Pet 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

Hmmm, thanks for noticing.

 

[haz]

Does the commandments of Jesus conflict with the commandments of God?

The law is much more than just the 10 commandments.
For those under the law righteousness is determined by perfect obedience to it.
The law has the death penalty for even just one offence (James 2:10).

But Christ's commandments to us has 2 commandments.
1John 3:23
1: Believe on Jesus (thus our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5)
2: Love one another.

Are these 2 laws different?
2Cor 3:7-11
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Heb 8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Both these covenants cover issues such as stealing.
The old covenant demanded the death penalty for even just one offence. Righteousness was determined only if one kept the law perfectly.

But under the new covenant faith is counted for righteousness.
And under the new covenant Christians are not preaching condemnation under the old law. Instead we show the same love/grace to others as God showed to us. We forgive 7x70. And whilst a Christian's behavior improves, as we love one another (hence we do not steal, etc), in this imperfect physical world we do sometimes fail (or are you claiming to be perfect, Laodecia?). We do not profit by doing wrong as God disciplines us.

Note also how the Sabbath and dietary laws are not listed in Christ's commandments (1John 3:23).

So back to my questions.
I'm curious how you see the many Christians here who never keep the Saturday Sabbath?

Do you see Christians who do not have the works of the law that your doctrine demands, as "cripples"? Or do you see them as lost?

 

[haz]

Hmmm, thanks for noticing.

john832, I have to admit I've noticed that you're "ALWAYS WRONG" too

You really should do something about that

 

[john832]

Please express some of the laws and commandments of the NT since Christ came, was crucified and ascended to the right hand of the Father. What are the laws and commandments of the NT that we are to keep and follow as the church, body and bride of Christ?

How about these?

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

[Brother_Don]

like, like, like, so many good things to read this morning. Praise God for the love of the LawKeepers. It's nice seeing Laodicea again, havn't seen you around much, glad you are still here at cc.

 

[john832]

john832, I have to admit I've noticed that you're "ALWAYS WRONG" too

You really should do something about that

Yep, I quote the scripture and some think it is wrong...

And as Paul said...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

 

[john832]

This entire thread comes down to this...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

You dont listen well at all

the law still stands
it shows us that we have carnal minds
it brings us to christ
and we are born again

without the law
you can sit there day after day and believe you are saved
when you are really not even born again

for to keep the law you must be born again

if you are truly born again you will actually be able to keep the whole law

Jesus did
and he said follow me

read your Bible

in every book it talks about repentance and being born again

I notice he keeps answering all your false objections
it doesnt MATTER what you think
the law still stands

it still neds to be kept

and when nYOU FINALLY get to the point and say

BUT I CANT DO IT!!!!
then you go to Jesus and ask
BE MY SAVIOR give me the holy spirit
and he will
and you WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP EVERY LAW

if you are not keeping every commandment, that means you are NOT BORN AGAIN

you are not
you can say what you want
but you are not born again while you are sinning

for those born again cease from sins

so go to Jesus say
I love your law
it is not bad
it shows me you have decived yourself
it wshows you you are sinning
so then you need to repent and get born again
and you stop sinning
it is that easy

So, you think that the carnal mind is NOT the enemy of God? You think the carnal mind CAN be subject to the Law of God? You disagree with Paul do you?

 

[2Thewaters]

Go read the posts again

the carnal mind cannot be sugject to the law of God

the divine mind can be subject to the law of God

that is why you need to be born again

like Jesus told nicodemus

when you are born again you have the divine mind
and you can keep the law perfectly

when you are born again you dont have the carnal mind any more

"let this mind be in you, the mind of christ

makes sense now?


it matters what the Bible says

license to sin
BRING MONEY and you can keep on sinning

this is the doctrine of INDULGENCES that Martin luther stood up and spoke against
Martin Luther said we should keep the commandments
you cannot by or be forgiven of the sins you are going to commit

OSAS is just the doctrine of indulgences in a new cloa
you will perish in any gospel of KEEP ON SINNING

 

[2Thewaters]

I can do all things through christ who strengthens me

even keep all the law

didnt Paul tell us to follow all the word and the law?
to be ovbedient in ALL THINGS

do YOU disagree with Paul on that?

do YOU disagree with Paul?

 

[KohenMatt]

I think there are many examples of people NOT loving, And being self centered. And we can learn from them.

but what does that have to do with focusing on love?

do you need practical examples to show you how to do something?

here is my problem bro.

If we look to law. We can see ourselves as moral people, and as I have seen so many times (yes even in hear) become judgmental. Because arrogant. Become proud (look how God I am , I am not a sinner like that person is) and miss the real meaning of what sin is.

I grew up in churches that gave a high regaurd to the law (yes churches, I spent 20 some years going to many different churches all around the country) and what I saw was arrogant, Judgmental, Hypocritical people who knew nothing about the law. The gospel. or how to act like God wanted them to act (I myself was clueless after 25 - 30 years of indepth study of the OT and new testament)

I was freed when I FINALLY REALISED. the aw has its place (schoolmaster) and after the schoolmaster has done its job, It has been FULFILLED in our lives. Stop focusing on the law. And start focusing on loving others.

I have matured more as a Christian, Have sinned far less, and have much less focus on myself and how God or not good I am doing.

It is freeing, I found, and am still finding the rest God wants me to have, Which can NOT be found under the law.

Maybe you have not found it, and thats why you are like I was, so hesitant to change. but let me tell ya bro. If you find it. You will not imagine the great freedom and growth you will find..

Don't worry, I've found that freedom and love just as much as you have.

But you didn't answer my question. Do you think there are any practical instructions in the Word to tell you HOW to love?

 

[2Thewaters]

I tell you right nowthe way you are right nowyou cant keep any of the commandmentsso Jesus saysbe born againlet this mind Jesus mind be in youthen you can keep every commandmenti can attest to ithis voice tells me NO when I am about to sin if I am prayingif I am not praying I dont get a voice and ai mes upso if you hvave the mid on and are born again that day and that momentyou cannot sinJoseph proved thatit isnt a discussionit is a factyou will not sin if you have the mind of christ onperiodso go get itthat is what the law is fortest yourselfif you are still going to church on pope day, then the voice will tell you"you know, this is the pope day beter go mow your lawn today and do something useful"and when friday comesthe voice will sayget ready to spend the next twenty four hours with methat is the still small voicego get onepray and recieve itthose with unbelief who thin catholic indulgences will get you inwill not prayand will keep right on sinnighand Jesus will tell them deaprt from me you who thought you were minei dont even know youi never fought hand to hand against sin with you who are you

 

[KohenMatt]

Well you would think wrong. I do not need a law to tell me what to do. I just need love to show me what to do.

All the law can do is tell me if I fail. Well I already know I fail. so what good is it?

If all you need is love to tell you what to do, and you readily admit that you fail all the time,

maybe you need to try something else?

Like actually paying attention to God's practical instructions to you on how to love?

 

[2Thewaters]

Don't worry, I've found that freedom and love just as much as you have.

But you didn't answer my question. Do you think there are any practical instructions in the Word to tell you HOW to love?

yes
pray for it
read ist corintians 13 daily

 

[2Thewaters]

If all you need is love to tell you what to do, and you readily admit that you fail all the time,

maybe you need to try something else?

Like actually paying attention to God's practical instructions to you on how to love?

love is obedience
period


love for your wife is faithfulness
period

if you love me obediently keep my commandments
WITHOUT COMPLAINING

if you complain you dont love him

 

[KohenMatt]

No one who is in the grace of Yahweh by the Blood of His Lamb is a legalist. Yeshua teaches us by His example where the law dictates punishement and death, mercy replaces it. Thus, if a person sins a sin, that is breaks a law of Yahweh, which by the law is worthy of death according to the law, that person will receive mercy. I do not believe Yeshua is in danger of judgment for His Example.

The law is good, and it is holy. Yeshua teaches how it is to be observed. On the Seventh Day if something good and needful must be done, it is good to do it. This does not mean to head in to a hedonistic Sabbath. Hedonism is unacceptable any time.

If one does not teach the law with grace, I guarantee you, he is in trouble, and he does not know Salvation in Yeshua.

Read and learn the Torah, the prophets, the writings, and the New Testament, they are the Word, and the Word is God.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to JaumeJ again.

Amen.

 

[KohenMatt]

I notice you are ALWYAS WRONG

you are very Bible illiterate

try reading the bible once at least

Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Do you REALLY believe John as never read the Bible, at least once? Truthfully now, do you believe he has never in his life read the whole Bible?