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The law is not of faith, Gal 3:12
Gotime, the issue has always been about condemnation under the law of sin and death.
Do you recall how you made the point that condemnation be required for sin/transgression of the law?
You even described those of us believing on Jesus (without works of the law) as being like "cripples".
Because of the doctrine you follow you see believers as "cripples" unless they have works of the law as evidence of their "imparted" righteousness and salvation.
The thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" had faith, and that without any works of the law.
That thief believed God's promise of eternal life in Christ. His faith was counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5
The law is not of faith, Gal 3:12
Gotime, the issue has always been about condemnation under the law of sin and death.
Do you recall how you made the point that condemnation be required for sin/transgression of the law?
You even described those of us believing on Jesus (without works of the law) as being like "cripples".
Because of the doctrine you follow you see believers as "cripples" unless they have works of the law as evidence of their "imparted" righteousness and salvation.
The thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" had faith, and that without any works of the law.
That thief believed God's promise of eternal life in Christ. His faith was counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5
The law is not of faith, Gal 3:12
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Why did you not quote the commandments of Jesus?
1John 3:23
1: Believe on Jesus (where our faith is counted for righteousness)
2: Love one another (and love does no ill to another. Love also forgives 7x70. Hence we show the same love/grace to others as God showed us).
I'm curious how you see the many Christians here who never keep the Saturday Sabbath?
Do you see Christians who do not have works of the law that you demand, as "cripples"? Or do you see them as lost?
1John 3:23
1: Believe on Jesus (where our faith is counted for righteousness)
2: Love one another (and love does no ill to another. Love also forgives 7x70. Hence we show the same love/grace to others as God showed us).
I'm curious how you see the many Christians here who never keep the Saturday Sabbath?
Do you see Christians who do not have works of the law that you demand, as "cripples"? Or do you see them as lost?
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Exo 23:4 If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again.
Deu 22:1 Thou shalt not see thy brother's ox or his sheep go astray, and hide thyself from them: thou shalt in any case bring them again unto thy brother.
Deu 22:2 And if thy brother be not nigh unto thee, or if thou know him not, then thou shalt bring it unto thine own house, and it shall be with thee until thy brother seek after it, and thou shalt restore it to him again.
Deu 22:3 In like manner shalt thou do with his ass; and so shalt thou do with his raiment; and with all lost thing of thy brother's, which he hath lost, and thou hast found, shalt thou do likewise: thou mayest not hide thyself.
Deu 22:4 Thou shalt not see thy brother's ass or his ox fall down by the way, and hide thyself from them: thou shalt surely help him to lift them up again.
Exo 23:4 If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again.
Deu 22:1 Thou shalt not see thy brother's ox or his sheep go astray, and hide thyself from them: thou shalt in any case bring them again unto thy brother.
Deu 22:2 And if thy brother be not nigh unto thee, or if thou know him not, then thou shalt bring it unto thine own house, and it shall be with thee until thy brother seek after it, and thou shalt restore it to him again.
Deu 22:3 In like manner shalt thou do with his ass; and so shalt thou do with his raiment; and with all lost thing of thy brother's, which he hath lost, and thou hast found, shalt thou do likewise: thou mayest not hide thyself.
Deu 22:4 Thou shalt not see thy brother's ass or his ox fall down by the way, and hide thyself from them: thou shalt surely help him to lift them up again.
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You dont listen well at all
the law still stands
it shows us that we have carnal minds
it brings us to christ
and we are born again
without the law
you can sit there day after day and believe you are saved
when you are really not even born again
for to keep the law you must be born again
if you are truly born again you will actually be able to keep the whole law
Jesus did
and he said follow me
read your Bible
in every book it talks about repentance and being born again
I notice he keeps answering all your false objections
it doesnt MATTER what you think
the law still stands
it still neds to be kept
and when nYOU FINALLY get to the point and say
BUT I CANT DO IT!!!!
then you go to Jesus and ask
BE MY SAVIOR give me the holy spirit
and he will
and you WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP EVERY LAW
if you are not keeping every commandment, that means you are NOT BORN AGAIN
you are not
you can say what you want
but you are not born again while you are sinning
for those born again cease from sins
so go to Jesus say
I love your law
it is not bad
it shows me you have decived yourself
it wshows you you are sinning
so then you need to repent and get born again
and you stop sinning
it is that easy
the law still stands
it shows us that we have carnal minds
it brings us to christ
and we are born again
without the law
you can sit there day after day and believe you are saved
when you are really not even born again
for to keep the law you must be born again
if you are truly born again you will actually be able to keep the whole law
Jesus did
and he said follow me
read your Bible
in every book it talks about repentance and being born again
I notice he keeps answering all your false objections
it doesnt MATTER what you think
the law still stands
it still neds to be kept
and when nYOU FINALLY get to the point and say
BUT I CANT DO IT!!!!
then you go to Jesus and ask
BE MY SAVIOR give me the holy spirit
and he will
and you WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP EVERY LAW
if you are not keeping every commandment, that means you are NOT BORN AGAIN
you are not
you can say what you want
but you are not born again while you are sinning
for those born again cease from sins
so go to Jesus say
I love your law
it is not bad
it shows me you have decived yourself
it wshows you you are sinning
so then you need to repent and get born again
and you stop sinning
it is that easy
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I notice you are ALWYAS WRONG
you are very Bible illiterate
try reading the bible once at least
Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
2 Pet 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2 Pet 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
you are very Bible illiterate
try reading the bible once at least
Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
2 Pet 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2 Pet 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
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John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
Jesus never spoke any word of his own, only the fathers words
look
you have been hypnotized badly about the law
you are all wrong on it
the law is good
it is necessary
it still stands and it brings us to christ
and when we are born again we keep every commandment
READ YOUR BIBLE
Jesus never spoke any word of his own, only the fathers words
look
you have been hypnotized badly about the law
you are all wrong on it
the law is good
it is necessary
it still stands and it brings us to christ
and when we are born again we keep every commandment
READ YOUR BIBLE
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1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
the truth is NOT IN one who speaks against the law
iif one dont keep the commandments
then he is NOT BORN AGAIN
so simple
just GET BORN AGAIN
all you have to do is PRAY that God give you the spirit and strength to keep the law today
without that prayer you cannot keep it
that is why you cant keep the law
you never pray the prayer you need to pray cause you dont believe it
so you will ever sin as long as you dont believe
believe
do what Jesus said
GO AND SIN NO MORE
that means PRAY and God will send you his spirit and you will keep the law
promise
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
the truth is NOT IN one who speaks against the law
iif one dont keep the commandments
then he is NOT BORN AGAIN
so simple
just GET BORN AGAIN
all you have to do is PRAY that God give you the spirit and strength to keep the law today
without that prayer you cannot keep it
that is why you cant keep the law
you never pray the prayer you need to pray cause you dont believe it
so you will ever sin as long as you dont believe
believe
do what Jesus said
GO AND SIN NO MORE
that means PRAY and God will send you his spirit and you will keep the law
promise
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1 Tim 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1 Tim 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
that is us
that is me
thank God for the law
it is good
1 Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1 Tim 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
1 Tim 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me,
God ENABLES US TO KEEP THE LAW
that is the gospel
that is the true gospel, he enables us to keep the sabbath and the law
the false gospel is that we cannot keep the law.
read your bible
1 Tim 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
that is us
that is me
thank God for the law
it is good
1 Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1 Tim 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
1 Tim 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me,
God ENABLES US TO KEEP THE LAW
that is the gospel
that is the true gospel, he enables us to keep the sabbath and the law
the false gospel is that we cannot keep the law.
read your bible
It does not harm to think anything Yeshua teaches is a command, for it certainly is not a suggestion, however those Ten Commandments stand as the Commandments. Yes the two Great Laws of Love cover all the law and commandments, but it is also true if we obey the Ten we also obey the Two. It may take some thinking, meditation, but there is no denying this. If one thinks of the gift of Jesus when He says to believe in Him as another commandment, fine, it is another commandment, but then all He teaches becomes commandment. Wow! There is nothing wrong with that, but those who believe themselves saved, outside the law, are now under the laws of their own creation.
Of course,when we love Yeshua for Who He is, we will continue to obey those Ten Commandments for having recognized Him as our Savior, we have no need for any new commandments other than to love each other as He has loved us. Also, this latter we should do as our new nature obeying those Ten great and wonderful commandments.
Of course,when we love Yeshua for Who He is, we will continue to obey those Ten Commandments for having recognized Him as our Savior, we have no need for any new commandments other than to love each other as He has loved us. Also, this latter we should do as our new nature obeying those Ten great and wonderful commandments.
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when a manstealer or liar reads the law
he says
I am lost!
hwe goes to Jesus
asks for forgiveness
and Jesus gives him grace to sin not ever again
and you RECIEVE REPENTANCE recieve a change of life.
now you dont have to recieve it, then you will be lost
but you CAN recieve repentance and change
and you are given the power to do so.
by DIVINE INPIRATION
see
you need to be INSPIRED OF GOD TO KEEP THE LAW
that is what we need
so go get it
inspiration comes by reading the word of God
and praying
and you get strength to keep every commandment
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
so dont tell me this garbage that we cannot do it
God expects us to do it
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
he says
I am lost!
hwe goes to Jesus
asks for forgiveness
and Jesus gives him grace to sin not ever again
and you RECIEVE REPENTANCE recieve a change of life.
now you dont have to recieve it, then you will be lost
but you CAN recieve repentance and change
and you are given the power to do so.
by DIVINE INPIRATION
see
you need to be INSPIRED OF GOD TO KEEP THE LAW
that is what we need
so go get it
inspiration comes by reading the word of God
and praying
and you get strength to keep every commandment
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
so dont tell me this garbage that we cannot do it
God expects us to do it
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.