BEWARE the Lawkeepers

[RedTent]

What does "liking God's rules" have to do with the topic of this thread?

The Christian is not Under the Law as a Rule of Life, and the Christian is not Under the Law as a Means of Sanctification.

"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace" (Rom. 6:14 and see verse 15)

"This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" (Gal. 3:2-3)

"But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law" (Gal. 5:18)

"The just shall live by faith and the law is not of faith: but the man that doeth them shall live in them" (Gal. 3:11-12)

The law cannot give life. The law cannot make a person holy. It cannot sanctify. There is no problem with the law (Rom. 7;12) except that sinful, depraved people cannot keep it (Rom. 7:14). Those who put themselves under law will certainly experience bondage because sin will have dominion over them (compare Rom. 6:14). Jesus Christ is our rule of life: "For to me to live is Christ" (Phil. 1:21). Our fleshly struggles and striving to keep God’s holy law can only end in failure. "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death" (Rom. 8:2). The law can never be fulfilled by us, but it can be fulfilled IN US by the power and working of God appropriated by faith: "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" (Rom. 8:4). Salvation is "by grace through faith" and so is sanctification.

I am trying to see how you can be a Christian in your heart and say that nothing your Father tells you that bible says is law should apply to a Christian. I feel certain that is not from scripture.

Perhaps it is because you are so thrilled with salvation given you freely. Your Father tells you that if you really try, if you repent of any wrong doing, everything is fine. You know that the main thing is love in your heart, I have heard you say, so you accept that from your Father. You say that any further explanations of law you are given is unacceptable to you, and you are quite angry at the idea of anyone saying they are acceptable.

You could have all the Father gives you, absolute freedom to live well, all you have, but repeating to everyone how the Father can go just so far in giving instructions and no further isn't right. You, through forgiveness, have been made free from death, from death caused by no obeying law. But we are not to turn on the law that spells out what kills us if we disobey. We aren't to say what we do makes us righteous, for we belong to the Lord. We aren't to "do" without it from our hearts, but we aren't to bad mouth the instructions we are given on doing.

 

[homwardbound]

Do you think Jesus, the apostles and Paul did different things than what is found in the Law? Or did they come up with their own ways to love that are separate from what is the Law?



Fortunately, I don't "focus" on it above all else. I "focus" on my Savior.

He tells me to follow the Law.

The Law is to love and not one can love without first
1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.

And all true love is shown through Mercy to all, you think?

 

[homwardbound]

I think they were so focused on others, and so focused on what they needed to do at any given moment, they did not think of self, and in doing so., by focusing on the spirit, they were to busy, and not even tempted to break the law.

Now if you asking if I thought the went around with the law running around their brain showing them what to do. well then no.l they did not have time to focus on this, they had to much stuff to do.



He shows me how to work in love, and serving others in whatever I do. Then I do not have to worry about breaking the law. I would not even be tempted by it.

the only time I am tempted is when I take my eyes of others and put it in self. In this case, the law can't help me. all it can do is as paul says, is keep my mind on the sin I am thinking of. And cause sin to increase. I need to focus on others, l not the law. the law can not help me, as has been proven since the law was first given

in adding to this and thank you, I by Law got to see my need to worship Father at the feet of Christ the Law giver, and no longer worship at the feet of the Law keeper, get it?
Christ the Law giver for us to see our own depravity and the need for Christ to be in the lead by the power of Father in the Holy Spirit of truth.
That same Holy Spirit that led Christ, yet that be too easy to flesh nature, and just can't accept this amazing love as a gift, and thus respond in thanksgiving and praise, you think?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

From this truth it is implicit the laws are being observed in Love, therefore they are not to be ignored rather observed as Yeshua, Jesus, has taught us to do by His Example, and by His teaching. These quotes only support obedience in love, they do not negate the Commandments of Yahweh one iota.

No. what they tell you is HOW TO OBEY THE COMMANDS.

Do those two. and you will not break the others. and do what he wants.

It is also called the law of love.

 

[homwardbound]

ill just add more verses so you can read it faster

covenant is the ten commandments so I will add that where they go

Gen 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
Gen 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant (ten commandments) between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, (ten commandments) to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant (ten commandments) therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, (ten commandments) which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant (ten commandments) betwixt me and you.
Gen 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
Gen 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant (ten commandments) shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. (ten commandments)

Love from God period by Faith is greater than the ten, Do you agree or disagree?

 

[2Thewaters]

The Law is to love and not one can love without first
1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.

And all true love is shown through Mercy to all, you think?

that's what they told NOAH
god has love and mercy but to keep sinning on purpose without effort to repent means hypocrisy
he doesn't like that

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Interesting, I do all of the exact same things you just mentioned. And I do it by living out every Word that proceeds out of God's mouth as directed by the Holy Spirit.

Including the Law.

well sorry, But I can not buy this. I don't know you, and maybe you are one of the FEW (are there any? I really do not know. I have never met one) who can do this. But I have to be honest, and say I can not believe you.

If your so focused on the law. You will not be doing what God wants you to do to the person he has brought into your life. You will be focused instead on how good you are at following the law. And not even realise how bad you still are at truly following the law.

I am not speaking from what I believe, I am speaking from what I have experienced first hand, And saw for 30 years with people trying to do what you claim we should do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I wanted to go back to this real quick because I think it's important

I believe he is talking to me (wink)

 

[JaumeJ]

When the woman caught in adultery was saved by Yeshua, she was asked by the Master if there was none left to condemn her. She answered there were none to condemn her. He replied, "Neither do I; sin no more."

Sin is breaking the commandments.

Why does Yeshua say this? He said sin no more to another, adding, unless something worse befall you. There is much to what He teaches. I know; He was not yet crucified.

Do you suppose after being crucified His words would be any different? I do not. Do not sin. Obey Yahweh if you love Him.

Sin is breaking the law.

 

[homwardbound]

wow you error rate is 100%

yes the commanments WERE given to abraham

they were actually given to aam an eve says the bible or they coul not have sinned

you really ought to rea your Bible more

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice,
and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

The Ten did not come forth written but 430 years after the promise made to Abraham from God, have you read that?

 

[2Thewaters]

you mean loving to sin is more important than obedience?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Perhaps the Law had not been restated to a nation that had been in captivity for over 200 years but it had been given prior to Sinai...

Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Now how could this be true unless the Law had been around already?

and what laws were these? the ones written in stone? which condemns everyone who does not confirm all of them by obeying them?

Again, God has many commands, The law is just some of them.

And the law was given for a reason.. You know. that schoolmaster.

Gods moral law was written in our hearts. I believe Paul touches on this in romans 1.

 

[2Thewaters]

wrong it was given at eden and Abraham kept them

 

[2Thewaters]

God wrote them down at Sinai because they kept forgetting them

 

[2Thewaters]

and what laws were these? the ones written in stone? which condemns everyone who does not confirm all of them by obeying them?

Again, God has many commands, The law is just some of them.

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right
so why don't you do them?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am trying to see how you can be a Christian in your heart and say that nothing your Father tells you that bible says is law should apply to a Christian. I feel certain that is not from scripture.

here we go with the judging again, Tisk Tisk..

I will be good and not get upset like I did last night. But judge not lest ye be judged.

 

[2Thewaters]

just cause there are others that doesn't mean you can ignore them
The bible says they are our mirror and if you are not following them you needto repent and be converted and change that point daily


that is sanctirfication which you have not been taught

it is the whole gospel you just have half the gospel

 

[eternally-gratefull]

right
so why don't you do them?

who says I am not doing them.

Stop assuming things, that is what gets you into trouble.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

just cause there are others that doesn't mean you can ignore them

lol..

So tell me, Did Adam and Eve going around thinking about committing adultery, Not loving the other person. Coveting what each other had, Etc etc??

Did they need these commands to follow God?

 

[2Thewaters]

you are teaching that we don't have to do them