BEWARE the Lawkeepers

[eternally-gratefull]

just denying the Bible does not make it false
you need to read more
the ten commandments are binding for YOU and Jesus will tell all those not keeping every one of them

deoart from ne

would you like to see the verses again?
right from your bible...

then you better pack up for hell. Because you have already failed. And I will pack up and met you there, Because I have failed.

oh wait, that is what Christ came few. to become a curse for me, so I can be justified. whew!!

 

[KohenMatt]

I think they were so focused on others, and so focused on what they needed to do at any given moment, they did not think of self, and in doing so., by focusing on the spirit, they were to busy, and not even tempted to break the law.

Have you ever counted to see how many of the commands in the Law were focused on other people and how to treat them?
And is it possible that the intent was always to focus on God? The phrase "I am the Lord" is mentioned over 170 times in the Torah alone. The focus wasn't on the commands, it was on the fact that God is the Lord.

Now if you asking if I thought the went around with the law running around their brain showing them what to do. well then no.l they did not have time to focus on this, they had to much stuff to do.

Do you think that its a likelihood that with everything they had to do, that it included doing what was commanded in the Law?

He shows me how to work in love, and serving others in whatever I do. Then I do not have to worry about breaking the law. I would not even be tempted by it.

If He shows you how to work in love (which I believe He does. I know enough about you to know that you genuinely love others and love God by His leading), does He ever show you how to love in a way that is contrary to the Law. At some point in your relationship with Him, do you get to the point where you don't have to stop and say, "OK God. How do you want me to love this person?" Don't you have a good idea of what that looks like? That's what the Law does too.

the only time I am tempted is when I take my eyes of others and put it in self. In this case, the law can't help me. all it can do is as paul says, is keep my mind on the sin I am thinking of. And cause sin to increase. I need to focus on others, l not the law. the law can not help me, as has been proven since the law was first given

Again, a large part of the Law is how to treat others. When you do the things in the Law, you are focused on others. And why would people be doing the Law? Because God told them to.

 

[BradC]

For all those who diligently keep the Sabbath (a specific day of the week), if you stopped keeping the Sabbath would it be sin on your part? The Sabbath (when God rested from His works on the seventh day) is associated with the six days of creation which included the creation of man. Can any of you, who keep the Sabbath, show that from Adam unto the birth of Christ that those who believed God became a new creature or a new creation (2 Cor 5:17, Gal 6:15)? I believe the Sabbath was made for man (the old creation Mark 2:27) but was not made or intended for the new man (Eph 2:15, 4:24, Col ch2, 3:10) who is in Christ. The only reason that God initiated and legislated the law of the (10) commandments is because the hearts of the Israelites were wicked and evil (lawless) and He wanted a people for Himself that He could call His own. If we are going to be objective, we have to admit that the law of the Sabbath (and the other nine) was legislated to the people through Moses (who were of Abraham's seed) whom God had called and delivered from Egypt but was not legislated before that time. Many of the Israelites were in unbelief and it took the test of the wilderness (40 years) to try there hearts to reveal their unbelief. Everyone of those laws pertained to the old creation and the flesh. Those who want to put themselves under the law they are doing so as transgressors but those who put themselves under grace are a new creature and have the Spirit to convict them of sin and stirs them up in the love of God in their hearts.

 

[Linda70]

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Have you ever counted to see how many of the commands in the Law were focused on other people and how to treat them?
And is it possible that the intent was always to focus on God? The phrase "I am the Lord" is mentioned over 170 times in the Torah alone. The focus wasn't on the commands, it was on the fact that God is the Lord.

Yep, And I failed. thats why I came to christ, the schoolmaster did its job.

Do you think that its a likelihood that with everything they had to do, that it included doing what was commanded in the Law?

No. That would be foolish, to think they kept thinking, I must not ocmmit adutlry, So I better not do this, or I must not do that, So I better do that.

I think they were focused on love, and serving others. Spreading the gospel. and sharing their faith.

I do not going around thinking of the law all the time, I would never get anything done, and most likely would be deep in sin and run away again because I am so focused, I see again how much a failure I AM.

If He shows you how to work in love (which I believe He does. I know enough about you to know that you genuinely love others and love God by His leading), does He ever show you how to love in a way that is contrary to the Law. At some point in your relationship with Him, do you get to the point where you don't have to stop and say, "OK God. How do you want me to love this person?" Don't you have a good idea of what that looks like? That's what the Law does too.
Again, a large part of the Law is how to treat others. When you do the things in the Law, you are focused on others. And why would people be doing the Law? Because God told them to.

NO.

Why would I think this?

Love us self sacrifice. Not self taking.

Thats all I need to know. What does this person need that I can serve them, this is following the spirit.

If I do this, I will not break the law. Because I am not self focused.

 

[homwardbound]

Don't worry, I've found that freedom and love just as much as you have.

But you didn't answer my question. Do you think there are any practical instructions in the Word to tell you HOW to love?

I think to answer that KohenMatt?

trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust God only found by Son to Father where we are taught by Father in the power of the holy Spirit of truth from Father to walk as Son walked

I have found no place, anywhere, where God ever said to figure it out> yet a thousand times over a thousand times to trust God in all God desires of us, and that is to lovce as God loves as in 1 Cor. 13:4-7
Now that type of love I can't do with this body of flesh and blood that is not redeemed, Where all sin is condemned to it by the Son of God, Jesus Christ at the cross
Romans 8:3
For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,

So since all sin has been condemned to flesh do you want to walk by it? Or even look good by it? fooling self and all others, not seeing this or realizing this, and getting others to follow you, me or anyone else, using God as their catalyst as if i am doing it right, or you or you, by what you do and where you go.

Whom is the only one good? to this very day? Will any flesh please God outside of Christ's ever?

 

[JaumeJ]

From this truth it is implicit the laws are being observed in Love, therefore they are not to be ignored rather observed as Yeshua, Jesus, has taught us to do by His Example, and by His teaching. These quotes only support obedience in love, they do not negate the Commandments of Yahweh one iota.

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[KohenMatt]

I forgot to add what was required for forgiveness.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[SUP][h][/SUP]), [SUP]14 [/SUP]that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Did God offer any avenues for forgivrness when He gave the Law?

 

[homwardbound]

If all you need is love to tell you what to do, and you readily admit that you fail all the time,

maybe you need to try something else?

Like actually paying attention to God's practical instructions to you on how to love?

Please tell me how to Love as God does? Can we do this type of love ourselves?
[h=1]1 Corinthians 13:4-7New International Version (NIV)[/h][SUP]4 [/SUP]Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. [SUP]5 [/SUP]It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Can I do this type, you or anyone else? Doe it not take God to do this?

 

[KohenMatt]

Please tell me how to Love as God does? Can we do this type of love ourselves?
1 Corinthians 13:4-7New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. [SUP]5 [/SUP]It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Can I do this type, you or anyone else? Doe it not take God to do this?

Absolutely, I cannot do this on my own.
And absolutely God is the only one who can do it in me.
Yet it is still important to study the word to know how to live. If we are waiting for God to show us when and how to love, then He already has in the commands. And every time I do, it is only because God has prompted me to.

 

[homwardbound]

yes
pray for it
read ist corintians 13 daily

And can only be if God imputes this in you from verse 4-7, yet verses 1-3 show us the arrogance of mankind in this, lose humility and watch out for the messenger to buffet you, and if not buffeted, then might not be God's yet
A double edged sword here for us all, we can be guilty tooooo much and we can be toooooo righteous as well. losing out on humility to Father through Chirst as is shown to us all today by the Holy Spirit of Father in truth that kills the error of pride and guilt, Christ took all that with him, defeated all evil, for us to him for us to be one with father through him, (Christ that is)

 

[KohenMatt]

Yep, And I failed. thats why I came to christ, the schoolmaster did its job.


No. That would be foolish, to think they kept thinking, I must not ocmmit adutlry, So I better not do this, or I must not do that, So I better do that.

I think they were focused on love, and serving others. Spreading the gospel. and sharing their faith.

I do not going around thinking of the law all the time, I would never get anything done, and most likely would be deep in sin and run away again because I am so focused, I see again how much a failure I AM.





NO.

Why would I think this?

Love us self sacrifice. Not self taking.

Thats all I need to know. What does this person need that I can serve them, this is following the spirit.

If I do this, I will not break the law. Because I am not self focused.

Interesting, I do all of the exact same things you just mentioned. And I do it by living out every Word that proceeds out of God's mouth as directed by the Holy Spirit.

Including the Law.

 

[KohenMatt]

I wanted to go back to this real quick because I think it's important

I notice you are ALWYAS WRONG

you are very Bible illiterate

try reading the bible once at least

Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

2 Pet 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2 Pet 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

Do you REALLY believe John as never read the Bible, at least once? Truthfully now, do you believe he has never in his life read the whole Bible?

 

[homwardbound]

love is obedience
period


love for your wife is faithfulness
period

if you love me obediently keep my commandments
WITHOUT COMPLAINING

if you complain you dont love him

Sorry but your post comes across to me as complaining about others that do not fit into what you see.

Are we all a finger on the body of Christ? Are we not all different and have different gifts we are called to be and do? Is everyone rightly here in this world placed rightfully in the body of Christ?
Who knows who is and who is not? Is it mankind, or God alone that knows truth over error?
Can you or anyone love truthfully as God without the imputation of this love from God himself?
We can try until the Cows come home to no real advantage can we? maybe only to finally see our own depravity, and give up to God alone and receive this Love of God alone, by giving up, you think, maybe?

 

[john832]

thats funny. The law was not even given yet.

Keep it up. I need a good laugh, been a rough few days.

as for abraham,

He was afraid of getting hurt or killed., He was not focused on the spirit, the plan of God or his wife. If he was, he never would have been tempted to sin..

No law could tell you that now could it?

Perhaps the Law had not been restated to a nation that had been in captivity for over 200 years but it had been given prior to Sinai...

Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Now how could this be true unless the Law had been around already?

 

[homwardbound]

this says it all..

the law is powerless..

powerless to make me perfect, ever, yet it is perfect the Law itself, Thanks Brother

[h=1]Hebrews 7:11-12New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]Jesus Like Melchizedek[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

 

[john832]

I wanted to go back to this real quick because I think it's important

I have actually read the Bible.

 

[homwardbound]

Matthew 5:19
"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

The Laws of freedom. liberty? Or the law of sin and death, literally as they went against Christ for not obeying the Law of Moses accordingly to as they saw it to be
Micah 6:8
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.

Humbly seeing the key that opens the door to grace all in all. for I do not deserve it before and or even afterwards, and seeing that nothing can change this fact, ever, no matter how Holy I might appear to anyone or not, For I am not Holy, God is and is the one I beleive only

 

[JaumeJ]

Yeshua was obedient unto death.......... He walked humbly with the Father.

Walking humbly with our Maker is not walking as His equal, it is walking with Him as His child.

Children obey the Father.

 

[homwardbound]

come to me and recieve power to overcome sin

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel,




Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe,
according to the working of his mighty power,Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, ...


Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, (FILLED WITH THIS POWER) who were dead in trespasses and sins:
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened (GIVENUS POWER TO OVERCOME SINS) us together with Christ, (by grace (POWER TO STOP SINNING) ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


he gives us the power to stop sinning

you never noticed that beore because you have been taught we dont need to overcome sin which is wrong

we do
and he does give us the power to do it

Let this mind be in you that was in christ Jesus

Jesus kept all the commandments perfectly

when that mind is in us we will too.

just get born again
follow the still small voice
that starts talking to you
a conscience empowered by the word o God and
and stop sinning now. right now
its about time.

that is Gods will or us
even our sanctiication commandment keeping)

Okay, Brother you have attained it, who gets the credit, you, you and God or just God?
And why did paul say he had not attained it
[h=1]Philippians 3 New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]No Confidence in the Flesh[/h]3 the Further, my brothers and sisters, rejoice in the Lord! It is no trouble for me to write same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Watch out for those dogs, those evildoers, those mutilators of the flesh. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— [SUP]4 [/SUP]though I myself have reasons for such confidence.

If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in[SUP][a][/SUP] Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. [SUP]10 [/SUP]I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, [SUP]11 [/SUP]and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, [SUP]14 [/SUP]I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.