Baptism Essential to Salvation
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The eunuch was water baptized which is the one baptism in effect per Eph 4:5. The eunuch's water baptism is Christ's baptism of the great commission, Mt 28:19,20; Mk 16:15,16 that had humans/disciples administering water baptism. So there is just one baptism in effect and we see the eunuch being water baptized with that one baptism.
Rom 6 has no water. It is baptized into Christ, not into water. Co-crucifixion with Christ is a blessed truth for the believer -- not for the one who dismisses the Savior as a mere "chance-giver."
Baptism itself is only rarely associated with salvation. Water baptism never saves. It is a human work. Eph 2 forbids human works as a means of salvation. Spirit baptism is not a human work; it is something the Lord does to every believer.
As faith/believe is the only "MUST-I-DO" given for salvation, and as faith/believe is reiterated over and over as man's responsibility in salvation, and that in a host of passages where believe/faith is the only thing listed, faith in the real Christ is the only essential action on man's part for salvation.
Baptism itself is only rarely associated with salvation. Water baptism never saves. It is a human work. Eph 2 forbids human works as a means of salvation. Spirit baptism is not a human work; it is something the Lord does to every believer.
As faith/believe is the only "MUST-I-DO" given for salvation, and as faith/believe is reiterated over and over as man's responsibility in salvation, and that in a host of passages where believe/faith is the only thing listed, faith in the real Christ is the only essential action on man's part for salvation.
Eph 4 indicates that all Christians have one baptism, the same for all Christians (not counting baptisms, but indicating same). The one baptism they have is Spirit baptism, for some Christians have never been water baptised, yet they are saved as Acts 16 indicates.
What MUST-I-DO to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.
There is only one MUST-I-DO: believe.
But as to Bible baptisms, there are more than 1:
1) water baptism
2) spirit baptism (I baptise you with water . . . He shall baptize you with the Spirit)
spirit baptism was yet future in Acts 1 "not many days hence."
3) Christ's death was a baptism for him.
What MUST-I-DO to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.
There is only one MUST-I-DO: believe.
But as to Bible baptisms, there are more than 1:
1) water baptism
2) spirit baptism (I baptise you with water . . . He shall baptize you with the Spirit)
spirit baptism was yet future in Acts 1 "not many days hence."
3) Christ's death was a baptism for him.
You have already said one repents BEFORE he believes now you are saying the atheist must believe then repent.
No reason for an unbelieving atheist to change his mind while in unbelief.
You posted: One must believe in God before they can repent and believe the gospel.
Before you were arguing one must repent THEN believe, now you have reversed your course on this.
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I will not take the rest of my day responding to all of this but the singular-plural argument on Acts 2:38 is not valid argument as I already shown. Bottom line, the conjunction "and" will not allow you to separate "repent" from "baptized" as you are trying so hard to do. If baptism is not for remission of sins then the "and" means repentance is not for remission of sins.
Here is what Greek scholars have to say about the singular-plural of Acts 2:38 - with many if not all of those scholars not believing water baptism saves:
Actually, I think your friend confused an old argument that is based on the tense (second and third person). David Padfield wrote about this on his website:
Let me try expressing this in another way. We have two things being joined together with "and:" the first is "repent" (second person plural in Greek) and "each one of you" (second person plural in Greek). The second phrase is qualified by "be baptized" (third person singular). The change in case is because the "be baptized" is modifying a second person plural phrase. The preposition "for the remission of sins" has no case and thus applies to both "repent" and "each one of you be baptized" equally. If you argue that it should be "for the remission of your sins" then the case is second person plural, but this again applies to both "repent" and "each one of you be baptized" because they are second person plural word and phrase.
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2007/03-17d.htm
So baptism in Acts 2:38 is not "parenthectical as you are trying to make it.
No reason for an unbelieving atheist to change his mind while in unbelief.
You posted: One must believe in God before they can repent and believe the gospel.
Before you were arguing one must repent THEN believe, now you have reversed your course on this.
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I will not take the rest of my day responding to all of this but the singular-plural argument on Acts 2:38 is not valid argument as I already shown. Bottom line, the conjunction "and" will not allow you to separate "repent" from "baptized" as you are trying so hard to do. If baptism is not for remission of sins then the "and" means repentance is not for remission of sins.
Here is what Greek scholars have to say about the singular-plural of Acts 2:38 - with many if not all of those scholars not believing water baptism saves:
Actually, I think your friend confused an old argument that is based on the tense (second and third person). David Padfield wrote about this on his website:
Another smoke screen often used to get around Acts 2:38 is the argument that since the words "repent" and "be baptized" are different in both person and number in the original text, the phrase "for the remission of sins" cannot refer to both verbs.
A few years ago I wrote to several prominent Greek scholars to see if the above line of reasoning was valid. The question I sent to them was as follows: "Is it grammatically possible that the phrase 'eis aphesin hamartion,' 'for the remission of sins,' as used in Acts 2:38, expresses the force of both verbs, 'repent ye and be baptized each one of you,' even though these verbs differ in both person and number?" The following men responded to my inquiry. I will give their qualifications along with their response to my question.
Bruce Metzger was the editor of the Textual Commentary on The Greek New Testament,published by the United Bible Societies. He is currently teaching at Princeton Theological Seminary in New Jersey. He wrote, "In reply to your recent inquiry may I say that, in my view, the phrase 'eis aphesin hamartion' in Acts 2:38 applies in sense to both of the preceding verbs."
F. W. Gingrich was a professor of New Testament Greek at Albright College in Reading, Pennsylvania. Gingrich, along with William Arndt, published A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature in 1957. He wrote, "The difference in person and number of 'repent' and 'be baptized' is caused by the fact that 'repent' is a direct address in the second person plural, while 'be baptized' is governed by the subject 'every one of you' and so is third person singular. 'Every one of you' is, of course, a collective noun."
Arthur L. Farstad was the chairman of the New King James Executive Review Committee and general editor of the NKJV New Testament. The NKJV was translated by over 120 Greek scholars, many of whom teach in Baptist schools. He wrote, "Since the expression 'eis aphesin hamartion' is a prepositional phrase with no verbal endings or singular or plural endings. I certainly agree that grammatically it can go with both repentance and baptism. In fact, I would think that it does go with both of them."
John R. Werner is the International Consultant in Translation to the Wycliffe Bible Translators. He was also a consultant to Friberg and Friberg with the Analytical Greek New Testament. From 1962 to 1972 he was professor of Greek at Trinity Christian College. He said, "Whenever two verbs are connected by kai 'and' and then followed by a modifier (such as a prepositional phrase, as in Acts 2:38), it is grammatically possible that modifier modifies either both the verbs, or only the latter one. This is because there is no punctuation in the ancient manuscripts, so we don't know whether the author intended to pause between the first verb and the 'and.' It does not matter that, here in Acts 2:38, one of the verbs is second person plural ("y'all") and the other is third-person singular ("is to"). They are both imperative, and the fact that they are joined by kai 'and' is sufficient evidence that the author may have regarded them as a single unit to which his modifier applied."
Barclay Newman and Eugene Nida edited The Translator's Handbook On The Acts Of The Apostles. This book, published by the United Bible Societies, says on page 60: "So that your sins will be forgiven (literally 'into a forgiveness of your sins') in the Greek may express either purpose or result; but the large majority of translators understand it as indicating purpose. The phrase modifies both main verbs: turn away from your sins and be baptized."
A few years ago I wrote to several prominent Greek scholars to see if the above line of reasoning was valid. The question I sent to them was as follows: "Is it grammatically possible that the phrase 'eis aphesin hamartion,' 'for the remission of sins,' as used in Acts 2:38, expresses the force of both verbs, 'repent ye and be baptized each one of you,' even though these verbs differ in both person and number?" The following men responded to my inquiry. I will give their qualifications along with their response to my question.
Bruce Metzger was the editor of the Textual Commentary on The Greek New Testament,published by the United Bible Societies. He is currently teaching at Princeton Theological Seminary in New Jersey. He wrote, "In reply to your recent inquiry may I say that, in my view, the phrase 'eis aphesin hamartion' in Acts 2:38 applies in sense to both of the preceding verbs."
F. W. Gingrich was a professor of New Testament Greek at Albright College in Reading, Pennsylvania. Gingrich, along with William Arndt, published A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature in 1957. He wrote, "The difference in person and number of 'repent' and 'be baptized' is caused by the fact that 'repent' is a direct address in the second person plural, while 'be baptized' is governed by the subject 'every one of you' and so is third person singular. 'Every one of you' is, of course, a collective noun."
Arthur L. Farstad was the chairman of the New King James Executive Review Committee and general editor of the NKJV New Testament. The NKJV was translated by over 120 Greek scholars, many of whom teach in Baptist schools. He wrote, "Since the expression 'eis aphesin hamartion' is a prepositional phrase with no verbal endings or singular or plural endings. I certainly agree that grammatically it can go with both repentance and baptism. In fact, I would think that it does go with both of them."
John R. Werner is the International Consultant in Translation to the Wycliffe Bible Translators. He was also a consultant to Friberg and Friberg with the Analytical Greek New Testament. From 1962 to 1972 he was professor of Greek at Trinity Christian College. He said, "Whenever two verbs are connected by kai 'and' and then followed by a modifier (such as a prepositional phrase, as in Acts 2:38), it is grammatically possible that modifier modifies either both the verbs, or only the latter one. This is because there is no punctuation in the ancient manuscripts, so we don't know whether the author intended to pause between the first verb and the 'and.' It does not matter that, here in Acts 2:38, one of the verbs is second person plural ("y'all") and the other is third-person singular ("is to"). They are both imperative, and the fact that they are joined by kai 'and' is sufficient evidence that the author may have regarded them as a single unit to which his modifier applied."
Barclay Newman and Eugene Nida edited The Translator's Handbook On The Acts Of The Apostles. This book, published by the United Bible Societies, says on page 60: "So that your sins will be forgiven (literally 'into a forgiveness of your sins') in the Greek may express either purpose or result; but the large majority of translators understand it as indicating purpose. The phrase modifies both main verbs: turn away from your sins and be baptized."
Let me try expressing this in another way. We have two things being joined together with "and:" the first is "repent" (second person plural in Greek) and "each one of you" (second person plural in Greek). The second phrase is qualified by "be baptized" (third person singular). The change in case is because the "be baptized" is modifying a second person plural phrase. The preposition "for the remission of sins" has no case and thus applies to both "repent" and "each one of you be baptized" equally. If you argue that it should be "for the remission of your sins" then the case is second person plural, but this again applies to both "repent" and "each one of you be baptized" because they are second person plural word and phrase.
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2007/03-17d.htm
So baptism in Acts 2:38 is not "parenthectical as you are trying to make it.
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Here are just a few passages mentioning baptism. There are many more........
Mat 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to the Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned.
Joh 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 2:41 They then that received his word were baptized: and there were added unto them in that day about three thousand souls.
Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching good tidings concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Act 8:13 And Simon also himself believed: and being baptized, he continued with Philip; and beholding signs and great miracles wrought, he was amazed.
Act 8:36 And as they went on the way, they came unto a certain water; and the eunuch saith, Behold, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Mat 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to the Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned.
Joh 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 2:41 They then that received his word were baptized: and there were added unto them in that day about three thousand souls.
Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching good tidings concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Act 8:13 And Simon also himself believed: and being baptized, he continued with Philip; and beholding signs and great miracles wrought, he was amazed.
Act 8:36 And as they went on the way, they came unto a certain water; and the eunuch saith, Behold, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Eph 4 Spriit Baptism, not Water Baptism, is Salvific
In Eph 4, the apostle is not counting baptisms, but saying that all Christians have the same baptism. The one baptism that all Christians have is Spirit baptism, not water baptism. 1 Cor 12:13 indicates that all Christians have Spirit baptism. They do not all have water baptism.
The one Must-I-Do to become a Christian is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16).
Occasionally a man may believe in Christ as Savior, yet die before he is baptised, as apparently was the case with the thief on the cross. All believers should report to the water to be dipped (baptised). But in fact many are never dipped, but only sprinkled (which is not what baptizo means at all).
Water baptism is clearly distinguished from Spirit baptism, which was yet future in Acts 1 (not many days hence). That makes 2 baptisms.
There is a 3rd baptism mentioned, a special baptism which Christ suffered, which appears to refer to the crucifixion. But this 3rd baptism is something that some apostles would also endure. My explanation is that when a Christian is baptised by the Spirit & put into the Body of Christ, that accomplishes so intimate a union that the believer is said to have been baptised into Christ (Rom 6) and thus co-crucified, co-raised, and seated with Christ in Him in Heaven.
Gal 2 says "I have been crucified with Christ."
I take it that when one is baptised into the Body of Christ, that unites the believer with Christ's cross-baptism. And thus I understand this scripture:
But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink the cup that I drink? or to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? And they said unto him, We are able. And Jesus said unto them, The cup that I drink ye shall drink; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:
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I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire:
Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to the Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John would have hindered him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him;
Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:
John came, who baptized in the wilderness and preached the baptism of repentance unto remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the country of Judaea, and all they of Jerusalem; and they were baptized of him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.
I baptized you in water; but he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit.
And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in the Jordan.
And king Herod heard thereof; for his name had become known: and he said, John the Baptizer is risen from the dead, and therefore do these powers work in him.
And she went out, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptizer.
But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink the cup that I drink? or to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? And they said unto him, We are able. And Jesus said unto them, The cup that I drink ye shall drink; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned.
He said therefore to the multitudes that went out to be baptized of him, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
And there came also publicans to be baptized, and they said unto him, Teacher, what must we do?
John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but there cometh he that is mightier than I, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire:
Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that, Jesus also having been baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
And all the people when they heard, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected for themselves the counsel of God, being not baptized of him.
But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
And they asked him, and said unto him, Why then baptizest thou, if thou art not the Christ, neither Elijah, neither the prophet? John answered them, saying, I baptize in water: in the midst of you standeth one whom ye know not,
These things were done in Bethany beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing.
And I knew him not; but that he should be made manifest to Israel, for this cause came I baptizing in water.
And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize in water, he said unto me, Upon whomsoever thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and abiding upon him, the same is he that baptizeth in the Holy Spirit.
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. And John also was baptizing in Enon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
When therefore the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John (although Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples),
And he went away again beyond the Jordan into the place where John was at the first baptizing; and there he abode.
for John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence.
And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
They then that received his word were baptized: and there were added unto them in that day about three thousand souls.
But when they believed Philip preaching good tidings concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. And Simon also himself believed: and being baptized, he continued with Philip; and beholding signs and great miracles wrought, he was amazed.
for as yet it was fallen upon none of them: only they had been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
And as they went on the way, they came unto a certain water; and the eunuch saith, Behold, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they both went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.
And straightway there fell from his eyes as it were scales, and he received his sight; and he arose and was baptized;
Can any man forbid the water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit.
And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.
And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, immediately.
And Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.
And he said, Into what then were ye baptized? And they said, Into John’s baptism. And Paul said, John baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people that they should believe on him that should come after him, that is, on Jesus. And when they heard this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on his name.
Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized into the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, save Crispus and Gaius; lest any man should say that ye were baptized into my name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made void.
and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Else what shall they do that are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ did put on Christ.
In Eph 4, the apostle is not counting baptisms, but saying that all Christians have the same baptism. The one baptism that all Christians have is Spirit baptism, not water baptism. 1 Cor 12:13 indicates that all Christians have Spirit baptism. They do not all have water baptism.
The one Must-I-Do to become a Christian is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16).
Occasionally a man may believe in Christ as Savior, yet die before he is baptised, as apparently was the case with the thief on the cross. All believers should report to the water to be dipped (baptised). But in fact many are never dipped, but only sprinkled (which is not what baptizo means at all).
Water baptism is clearly distinguished from Spirit baptism, which was yet future in Acts 1 (not many days hence). That makes 2 baptisms.
There is a 3rd baptism mentioned, a special baptism which Christ suffered, which appears to refer to the crucifixion. But this 3rd baptism is something that some apostles would also endure. My explanation is that when a Christian is baptised by the Spirit & put into the Body of Christ, that accomplishes so intimate a union that the believer is said to have been baptised into Christ (Rom 6) and thus co-crucified, co-raised, and seated with Christ in Him in Heaven.
Gal 2 says "I have been crucified with Christ."
I take it that when one is baptised into the Body of Christ, that unites the believer with Christ's cross-baptism. And thus I understand this scripture:
But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink the cup that I drink? or to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? And they said unto him, We are able. And Jesus said unto them, The cup that I drink ye shall drink; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:
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I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire:
Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to the Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John would have hindered him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him;
Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:
John came, who baptized in the wilderness and preached the baptism of repentance unto remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the country of Judaea, and all they of Jerusalem; and they were baptized of him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.
I baptized you in water; but he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit.
And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in the Jordan.
And king Herod heard thereof; for his name had become known: and he said, John the Baptizer is risen from the dead, and therefore do these powers work in him.
And she went out, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptizer.
But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink the cup that I drink? or to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? And they said unto him, We are able. And Jesus said unto them, The cup that I drink ye shall drink; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned.
He said therefore to the multitudes that went out to be baptized of him, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
And there came also publicans to be baptized, and they said unto him, Teacher, what must we do?
John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but there cometh he that is mightier than I, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire:
Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that, Jesus also having been baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
And all the people when they heard, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected for themselves the counsel of God, being not baptized of him.
But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
And they asked him, and said unto him, Why then baptizest thou, if thou art not the Christ, neither Elijah, neither the prophet? John answered them, saying, I baptize in water: in the midst of you standeth one whom ye know not,
These things were done in Bethany beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing.
And I knew him not; but that he should be made manifest to Israel, for this cause came I baptizing in water.
And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize in water, he said unto me, Upon whomsoever thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and abiding upon him, the same is he that baptizeth in the Holy Spirit.
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. And John also was baptizing in Enon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
When therefore the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John (although Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples),
And he went away again beyond the Jordan into the place where John was at the first baptizing; and there he abode.
for John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence.
And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
They then that received his word were baptized: and there were added unto them in that day about three thousand souls.
But when they believed Philip preaching good tidings concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. And Simon also himself believed: and being baptized, he continued with Philip; and beholding signs and great miracles wrought, he was amazed.
for as yet it was fallen upon none of them: only they had been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
And as they went on the way, they came unto a certain water; and the eunuch saith, Behold, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they both went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.
And straightway there fell from his eyes as it were scales, and he received his sight; and he arose and was baptized;
Can any man forbid the water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit.
And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.
And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, immediately.
And Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.
And he said, Into what then were ye baptized? And they said, Into John’s baptism. And Paul said, John baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people that they should believe on him that should come after him, that is, on Jesus. And when they heard this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on his name.
Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized into the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, save Crispus and Gaius; lest any man should say that ye were baptized into my name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made void.
and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Else what shall they do that are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ did put on Christ.
Eph 4 One Baptism
"ye were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all."
Ye were called. All called believers have one & the same baptism. That one baptism is the Baptism of the Spirit, which all believers have (1 Cor 12:13).
Water baptism is not something all have -- lots of sprinklers out there who don't baptise (dip) at all. Some may die before getting dipped.
Also there is a 3rd baptism, which Christ endured (& also some apostles), evidently at the cross. So Eph 4 is not totally the baptisms of the Bible, but referring to the 1 baptism that all Christians have, namely Spirit baptism.
"ye were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all."
Ye were called. All called believers have one & the same baptism. That one baptism is the Baptism of the Spirit, which all believers have (1 Cor 12:13).
Water baptism is not something all have -- lots of sprinklers out there who don't baptise (dip) at all. Some may die before getting dipped.
Also there is a 3rd baptism, which Christ endured (& also some apostles), evidently at the cross. So Eph 4 is not totally the baptisms of the Bible, but referring to the 1 baptism that all Christians have, namely Spirit baptism.
The case of Cornelius does not change the order of verses as Acts 2:38 and Mk 16;16 that put baptism BEFORE salvation else one is creating contradictions among verses.
Baptism with the HS does not save/remit sins and it had nothing to do with Cornelious' personal salvation, but God used that baptism to prove to the Jews that salvation was not for them alone but was to go to the Gentiles also.
Your desire for confrontatin is only exceeded by you lack of hearing others. What I shared is from the Word and not intended to set a fire. Please, if you do not wish to hear others, do not answer to what they post. I will now say good bye for a while. May God bless you with an understanding heart, patience and love, amen.
Rom 6 says nothing about a "spirit baptism".
Rom 6 is the one baptism of Eph 4:5 which is a literal immersion in water, the baptism of Christ's great commission that involved humans/disciples administering water baptism. The baptism in Rom 6 involves a "burial" that one is "raised up from" which would indicate a burial in water from which one is raised up from to walk in newness of life.
Water baptism is what they obeyed from the heart Rom 6;17,18, where then they were justified. One can obey God's command to be water baptized, yet God never commanded anyone to be baptized with the HS for that baptism was only a promise made to the apostles in Acts 1;1-5. So no one can obey a promise made to another person.
In Rom 6;17,18 obeying by being water baptized, then they were FREED from sin.
Rom 6:7 says For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Water baptism is where the old man of sins dies and is buried freeing the one being baptized from those sins where he then rises to walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ
So it is in water baptism that one is dead with Christ freeing him from sins/justified.
Faith only ior baptism with the HS is not to be found in any of this in Rom 6.