BEWARE the Lawkeepers

[john832]

Ah, here we go.

Guildines is one thing.

Rules, which if you break them I will not be your father anymore is quite another thing.

Of ourse we have guildines, most of the NT are guidelines of how we as the church, and people in the church should at. and examples of failures, and warnings about false teachers. All parents should give their kids this.

But rules. That would make us slavemasters, and not parents.

Now you are twisting it. Laws that show how to live and if we break them, our loving Father corrects us...

Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Now what are we resisting? Sin...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Now if we are not chastened for sin, the transgression of the Law, what are we chastened for? Does God take some perverted pleasure in seeing His children being made to suffer without cause?

Heb 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
Heb 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

Why would we need to make straight our paths? Because we have wandered from the way and our Father loves us enough to bring us back to the straight and narrow...

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

 

[JaumeJ]

Many do..........................why, do you think all post are directed to just you?

 

[Karraster]

I think Jesus had the power to interpret the law... Do you think that too? Jesus never broke the law according to his interpretation of it, which of course is what God wants... So, a question... Does the body of Christ have the power to interpret the law today? Grace and peace to you!

We are all free to interpret the instructions as students of the Son, our teacher and example. Don't mean we interpret it right, however I seriously doubt anybody knows perfectly the mind of our Creator. He looks into our heart and motives. Are we all about Christ, or all about ourselves? I think that's an important question.

 

[crossnote]

Putting a tarp on it might help to post-pone other work, but putting a tarp onit would be working also. Let the man do his good work on the Sabbath, our Savior did, and does.

Why on just the Sabbath?

 

[crossnote]

Thanks brother for your reply. Then, would you say that since we are to be followers of Messiah, ...well, you know.

I guess before He returns those who sincerely seek to follow His example will be called a lot worse than "legalist" or "Judaizers", beware of us oooohhhh..

frankly I don't care, it's yoke not doctrine I seek.

And it's a yoke you have...

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

 

[crossnote]

OK, how about showing us where we are given that choice. Where does it say I can choose whether to keep the Law or not?

I said 'you CAN'T just willy nilly pick and choose what parts of the law you will keep etc'. It must be kept ...all of it ...not just parts, or it is not being kept at all.
If you are honest you will admit you are a lawbreaker and will look to Jesus for your righteousness, not your l'awkeeping'.

 

[crossnote]

You have a problem with what Christ says to do?

No, He has fulfilled all righteousness in my stead, I'm keeping my laptop. Have you given away all your possessions as Christ commanded since you seem hyped on keeping the commandments?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now you are twisting it. Laws that show how to live and if we break them, our loving Father corrects us...

yes he does. but not because we broke some law which was not given to show us how to live, but to prove our guilt., but we broke the guidelines he set up for us. I know that is hard for you to understand, and I am sorry.

your problem is you do not understand what sin is. The law had to be given to PROVE to us we are sinners.

But ALL sin starts with self interest. That is the sin, the actual ACT of sin is a result of our selfishness (not loving God or neighbor) which is the actual sin.

Yes, differing ACTS cause more damage and harm to society, So there are more severe TEMPORAL punishments for those sons.

But as far as eternity goes. Sin is sin is sin. God wants you to trust him in ALL areas. and not be selfish. Anything done for self is sin in Gods eyes, and separates us from him.

When God looks at EG, and Adolf Hitler. He does not see one evil man, and one prety good man. He sees two evil, sinful condemned people who are deserving of his wrath.

 

[2Thewaters]

No, He has fulfilled all righteousness in my stead, I'm keeping my laptop. Have you given away all your possessions as Christ commanded since you seem hyped on keeping the commandments?

Jesus asked you to keep the Sabbath.
if you dont want to, then dont
he will ask someone else.

 

[john832]

I said 'you CAN'T just willy nilly pick and choose what parts of the law you will keep etc'. It must be kept ...all of it ...not just parts, or it is not being kept at all.
If you are honest you will admit you are a lawbreaker and will look to Jesus for your righteousness, not your l'awkeeping'.

I have posted time and again that I am a sinner (one who transgresses the Law) but not intentional, wilfull sin. I strive as the Apostle Paul did to resist sin. I so sin and then...

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

You think because you deny the existence of the Law you have no sin?

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

The continuation is the remedy...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Notice that Christ is the propitiation for sin. He did not remove the Law, He paid the penalty in our stead so that we may receive grace.

 

[crossnote]

Why do those who quote the new commandment of Yeshua to his followers, that is to love one another, seem to think that it terminated the commandments? Nowhere does our Savior say they are terminated. He actually just says, I give you a new commandment, not The New Commandment. Wake up folks, do as He did and teaches.

Amo 5:18
Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

Galatians 5:22-25 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

 

[john832]

No, He has fulfilled all righteousness in my stead, I'm keeping my laptop. Have you given away all your possessions as Christ commanded since you seem hyped on keeping the commandments?

So no matter what you do and no matter how you live, God is thrilled?

Good luck with that one, you are going to need it.

 

[john832]

Jesus asked you to keep the Sabbath.
if you dont want to, then dont
he will ask someone else.

Straightforward and simple.

Obey God or don't, the choice is just that easy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Many do..........................why, do you think all post are directed to just you?

yeah like who?

 

[john832]

You an follow the law all you want.

It is just paul makes it clear. if your going to try. your indebted to keep it ALL. (including sacrifice and burnt offering) and fulfilling the just requirement of the law. which is perfection.

can you do this? if you can feel free..

Not on my own power, but with Christ in me...

Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

 

[john832]

yes he does. but not because we broke some law which was not given to show us how to live, but to prove our guilt., but we broke the guidelines he set up for us. I know that is hard for you to understand, and I am sorry.

your problem is you do not understand what sin is. The law had to be given to PROVE to us we are sinners.

But ALL sin starts with self interest. That is the sin, the actual ACT of sin is a result of our selfishness (not loving God or neighbor) which is the actual sin.

Yes, differing ACTS cause more damage and harm to society, So there are more severe TEMPORAL punishments for those sons.

But as far as eternity goes. Sin is sin is sin. God wants you to trust him in ALL areas. and not be selfish. Anything done for self is sin in Gods eyes, and separates us from him.

When God looks at EG, and Adolf Hitler. He does not see one evil man, and one prety good man. He sees two evil, sinful condemned people who are deserving of his wrath.

My problem is that I do not understand what sin is?

So, you deny this scripture?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

And this one?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Just what is sin? Must not be what Paul and John thought it was.

 

[crossnote]

Jesus asked you to keep the Sabbath.
if you dont want to, then dont
he will ask someone else.

Oh? Where did He ask me to keep the Sabbath?
I keep His rest by being in Christ and His finished work.

 

[crossnote]

I have posted time and again that I am a sinner (one who transgresses the Law) but not intentional, wilfull sin. I strive as the Apostle Paul did to resist sin. I so sin and then...

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

You think because you deny the existence of the Law you have no sin?

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

The continuation is the remedy...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Notice that Christ is the propitiation for sin. He did not remove the Law, He paid the penalty in our stead so that we may receive grace.

Your premise is wrong as usual. I don't deny the existence of the law.
I believe though, you deny we have denied our death to the law and new life to God.

Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

 

[JaumeJ]

They are looping in their questioning. This practice reminds me of when the Pharisees were interrogating the blind man who had been healed by our Savior.

I have posted time and again that I am a sinner (one who transgresses the Law) but not intentional, wilfull sin. I strive as the Apostle Paul did to resist sin. I so sin and then...

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

You think because you deny the existence of the Law you have no sin?

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

The continuation is the remedy...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Notice that Christ is the propitiation for sin. He did not remove the Law, He paid the penalty in our stead so that we may receive grace.

 

[crossnote]

So no matter what you do and no matter how you live, God is thrilled?

Good luck with that one, you are going to need it.

You flatly don't understand grace and you keep putting words in our mouths as I never said God does not care what we do.
BTW, I see you kept your laptop, I guess you're not as obedient as you claim.