BEWARE the Lawkeepers

[eternally-gratefull]

So no matter what you do and no matter how you live, God is thrilled?

Good luck with that one, you are going to need it.

Thus comes the thrust of the heresy of legalism

Legalism says I am better than you are, and rejects the fact he is just as guilty as everyone else.

Legalism says God is not going to be thrilled with you, Instead of admitting God is not thrilled with me.

Legalism says I am owed, because I work hard to follow God. Instead of Asking for more help because you realize how utterly you have and continue to fail.

Legalism tells the world they better shape up and ship right, and be like me, or God will not be happy with you, Instead of realizing they have not done so themselves. and they have no right to judge anyone.

When is John 832 going to stop acting like the one who pounds his chest praising God he is not like the sinner, And start acting like Daniel. The apostle John, and many many other great men of God who when confronted with God (even if only through a visit from an angel) are so horrified at the knowledge of their sin and how totally undeserving they are to even be in the presence of that being, Falls on their knees unable to even look up at the person, And says Oh God have mercy on me a sinner!

If you think God is thrilled with you and YOUR SIN, you do not know God at all!

 

[2Thewaters]

My problem is that I do not understand what sin is?

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when you throw away the law you bcome confused

1Jn 3:4 for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not on my own power, but with Christ in me...

Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

so how well are you at following the law you demand everyone else to follow? Is God thrilled with you? Or are you still a condemned sinner, Who (in your case) may be saved by grace?

Which is it?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

My problem is that I do not understand what sin is?

So, you deny this scripture?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

And this one?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Just what is sin? Must not be what Paul and John thought it was.

I KNOW you do not know what sin is. If you did, you would not be going around judging everyone else, and praising yourself. You would be on your knees begging God to have mercy on you.


Yes, the law shows knowledge of sin (to condemn us) but it DOES NOT SHOW US WHAT ALL SIN IS. Just a small sample of what sin is.

If you think the ten commands are all you have to live by, and you will not sin if you live by them, you are sadly mistaken,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh? Where did He ask me to keep the Sabbath?
I keep His rest by being in Christ and His finished work.

amen, Not only on one day of the week, but every day.

 

[Zinzerio]

the law is holy holy holy righteous and good 1 Corinthians 9:21 though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ.

The law stands no one is above the law and no one is free from gods law, (only god is above the law.)

Paul the apostle above and walking in the spirit tells us quite clearly that he is not free from Gods law and he is under the law of Jesus christ

If you think your not under any law then Pauls words are a lie ( so would anyone like to accuse Paul of being a liar.) if you say your not under any law then either Paul is lying or the one that is saying there not under any law is lying which one is it ??

well i would not like to say Paul is lying i would like to try to see where people are coming from when they say they are not under any law, but the fact is if Paul says he is under law then so is you me everyone.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the law is holy holy holy righteous and good 1 Corinthians 9:21 though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ.

The law stands no one is above the law and no one is free from gods law, (only god is above the law.)

Paul the apostle above and walking in the spirit tells us quite clearly that he is not free from Gods law and he is under the law of Jesus christ

If you think your not under any law then Pauls words are a lie ( so would anyone like to accuse Paul of being a liar.) if you say your not under any law then either Paul is lying or the one that is saying there not under any law is lying which one is it ??

well i would not like to say Paul is lying i would like to try to see where people are coming from when they say they are not under any law, but the fact is if Paul says he is under law then so is you me everyone.

Your the one calling Paul a liar.

If paul was still under the law, he was not saved, he was still dead in his sin, Because all the law an do is condemn him. those are pauls words not mine.

 

[Dan_473]

Being under the same grace, following the law is a joy, and there is freedom in following that law, or have you not read what Paul teaches about differenct people revering different days, new moons, sabbaths etc. You will not find most who observe the Seventh Day as designated by Yahweh, as the Sabbath of the Lord, condemning others who revere another day designated by man, however they do recommend obeying our Father. As for your question, when dealing with the freedom under grace, it is not a wise approach to assume all will have the same understanding, but they will understand. God's ways are not our ways. Yahweh bless you with understanding, and when thinking in terms of the law, I am not under the law, I do my best to obey the law, for it is good (Paul), and it is holy (Paul), and itwill not pass away while the earth is yet here (Yeshua9:

I agree that following the law is a joy... So, it seems there's big differences in how different people do it...I'm cool with that... Blessings to you!

 

[JaumeJ]

God bless you too. You love Yeshua, Jesus, then you will know exactly what to do. You really do not need to ask others, just keep hearing His Word, as I believe you do.

I agree that following the law is a joy... So, it seems there's big differences in how different people do it...I'm cool with that... Blessings to you!

 

[RedTent]

This is what Jesus said:

Matthew 19:17) Matthew 19:17) 17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So, are these not the commandments Jesus told us to keep?

This doesn't mention anything about stealing, either. According to your reasoning, we may go ahead and live our lives by stealing.

 

[john832]

Your premise is wrong as usual. I don't deny the existence of the law.
I believe though, you deny we have denied our death to the law and new life to God.

Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

You don't deny it, you are above it? That's what Richard Nixon said.

 

[john832]

so how well are you at following the law you demand everyone else to follow? Is God thrilled with you? Or are you still a condemned sinner, Who (in your case) may be saved by grace?

Which is it?

I am pretty sure that I have NEVER DEMANDED that anyone follow it.

 

[john832]

Thus comes the thrust of the heresy of legalism

Legalism says I am better than you are, and rejects the fact he is just as guilty as everyone else.

Legalism says God is not going to be thrilled with you, Instead of admitting God is not thrilled with me.

Legalism says I am owed, because I work hard to follow God. Instead of Asking for more help because you realize how utterly you have and continue to fail.

Legalism tells the world they better shape up and ship right, and be like me, or God will not be happy with you, Instead of realizing they have not done so themselves. and they have no right to judge anyone.

When is John 832 going to stop acting like the one who pounds his chest praising God he is not like the sinner, And start acting like Daniel. The apostle John, and many many other great men of God who when confronted with God (even if only through a visit from an angel) are so horrified at the knowledge of their sin and how totally undeserving they are to even be in the presence of that being, Falls on their knees unable to even look up at the person, And says Oh God have mercy on me a sinner!

If you think God is thrilled with you and YOUR SIN, you do not know God at all!

Pretty generous with your accusations here aren't you?

 

[Dan_473]

Sure you could put a tarp on it and come back later, that is the preferred method but putting a tarp on involves work. The point is that it is not the work involved, it is your heart. Helping out someone in an emergency is right and good on the Sabbath.

That sounds good to me... It's the heart... Since the heart will vary with each person, how the sabbath is kept will vary, too... I mean, I think it would work that way...Grace and peace to you!

 

[JaumeJ]

This accusation keeps coming up against you, me and other brethren in this thread.

It is irronic the same accusers want others to do exactly as they say they know, not giving any credance to the scriptural sources of what we have to share with the brethren.

The questions go round and round. When someone thinks one is forgotten, they ask again, not realizing how desperate they sound.

The one that always recurs is if we observe the law, we are under the law. Sorry, that has been addressed also, time and time again.

I believe these detractors wish to convert to the Way of believing we know, otherwise they would not keep pounding on cold iron.

I am pretty sure that I have NEVER DEMANDED that anyone follow it.

 

[Dan_473]

Putting a tarp on it might help to post-pone other work, but putting a tarp onit would be working also. Let the man do his good work on the Sabbath, our Savior did, and does.

Very true! I was asking John to get his take on keeping the sabbath... So, the uniform response has been that it depends on the person... That's what I'm getting from the responses... Grace and peace to you!

 

[just-me]

This accusation keeps coming up against you, me and other brethren in this thread.

It is irronic the same accusers want others to do exactly as they say they know, not giving any credance to the scriptural sources of what we have to share with the brethren.

The questions go round and round. When someone thinks one is forgotten, they ask again, not realizing how desperate they sound.

The one that always recurs is if we observe the law, we are under the law. Sorry, that has been addressed also, time and time again.

I believe these detractors wish to convert to the Way of believing we know, otherwise they would not keep pounding on cold iron.

There are also others who say iron sharpens iron. Well, looking at that from a soldiers point of view, the iron in the sword is dulled during battle by hammering, and parrying rather than scrapping methodically such as a wet stone would sharpen a knife. It is only through the camaraderie of two soldiers in the same army, when they are between battles, that the sharpening is calculative and beneficial to soldiers, and swords, preparing for the next battle that will surely come.

 

[JaumeJ]

Keeping the Sabbath for me, is to not work, however, if the need arises for the good of myself, not profit but need, it is just fine to work on the Sabbaths, but I would hate it. Today I do not need concern myself since I am a pensioner, but I apply this to all who believe.

If a man or woman has no choice at their particular job, Jesus, Yeshua, is with them if they must work on the Sabbath. We do not live in countries where the laws are based on the laws of Biblical Israel. Our Father is not a tyrant with His children. He will bless anyone supporting a family who must work on the Sabbath.

If a friend or brother needs anything on the Sabbath, it is just fine to do anything, unless it is untoward. It would make our faith look cruel to deny a friend help because of some doctrine of man. Keep praising God and doing. I

t goes along with having a beast of burden in a pit, it is your livlihood, haul that sucker out of the pit.......Yeshua gave us mercy when observing the law, and destroyed the curse. This is the question any believer may ask himself if he is unsure of any law.........is there mercy? Yes, then it is good.

Today I made certain alll is clean inside and outside the house. I do this in case it is time for Yeshua to come for me..........I want Him to come to a reasonably clean place, after all, it is all His blessing bestowed upon me. I read the Word in the morning, and I pray. Now, I do this everyday, but knowing it is the day Yahweh gave to me and you and all, it is special.

Very true! I was asking John to get his take on keeping the sabbath... So, the uniform response has been that it depends on the person... That's what I'm getting from the responses... Grace and peace to you!

 

[Dan_473]

We are all free to interpret the instructions as students of the Son, our teacher and example. Don't mean we interpret it right, however I seriously doubt anybody knows perfectly the mind of our Creator. He looks into our heart and motives. Are we all about Christ, or all about ourselves? I think that's an important question.

Yes, free to interpret, be all about Christ... Sounds good to me! Blessings!

 

[john832]

This accusation keeps coming up against you, me and other brethren in this thread.

It is irronic the same accusers want others to do exactly as they say they know, not giving any credance to the scriptural sources of what we have to share with the brethren.

The questions go round and round. When someone thinks one is forgotten, they ask again, not realizing how desperate they sound.

The one that always recurs is if we observe the law, we are under the law. Sorry, that has been addressed also, time and time again.

I believe these detractors wish to convert to the Way of believing we know, otherwise they would not keep pounding on cold iron.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to JaumeJ again.