Does anybody want America to end up like Africa or Mexico?

[dcontroversal]

You don't have to worry about the U.S. ending up like Mexico and for the record.....the U.S. is destroyed one way or another...

God gathers ALL nations against Jerusalem to battle that he may pour out his wrath on them....only 2 possibilities....

a. The U.S. is already gone as a nation having been destroyed as the DAUGHTER of BABYLON or....
b. the U.S. is in the ALL category above and is decimated by God's wrath!

The HINDERMOST of the NATIONS will be burnt with fire!

 

[phil112]

Amusing reading these posts. You folks stay on the bible thread, 'cause you aren't up on america or what is happening to it.

 

[Flamingspirit]

Ecclesiastes 10

18 By much slothfulness the building decayeth; and through idleness of the hands the house droppeth through.
19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
20 Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber: for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter.

You quote this verse to me whenever I talk about this, but you cannot have an understanding of this at all. Can a ton of money save my soul? THEN BY HOW YOU ARE USING IT, IT CANNOT ANSWER THAT NOW CAN IT??

So what is "money" referred to in this verse?

Ecclesiastes 1:13-18

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
[SUP]18[/SUP]For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

Why did it increase sorrow? Because this was the precipice of the wisdom of men and what you believe this verse to be about. Solomon was the richest man in the world, probably by even todays standards!

Proverbs 10:20-22


[SUP]20 [/SUP]The tongue of the just is as choice silver: the heart of the wicked is little worth.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The lips of the righteous feed many: but fools die for want of wisdom.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]The blessing of the Lord, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it.

Solomon had his sorrow INCREASED. But the "money" the comes from the LORD makes rich AND ADDS NO SORROW WITH IT. A key to what is money to God is given in the verses as it is the tongue and the words spoken by it. Let's continue.

Isaiah 55:1-3


55 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

How do we buy something without money??? It can only be given freely.

Mark 8:36-38


[SUP]36 [/SUP]For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? How much money do you think it takes to answer that one!?
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

So if the words of the Just is as choice silver, then what are His words?

John 6:63-64


[SUP]63 [/SUP]It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
[SUP]64 [/SUP]But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

His words are Spirit and Life. And the choicest GOLD that makes a soul rich, AND ADDS NO SORROW TO IT! Also notice that He KNEW who would betray HIM. Why? Because He knows as Solomon did, that what is crooked cannot be made straight, and that those that were wanting will always be countless and poor.

Revelation 3:


[SUP]16 [/SUP]So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

But it is just as Isaiah says. We LOVE paying bills and laboring for that which does not satisfy!

 

[Flamingspirit]

Certainly not. Most of the "all" is paper agreements just like the debt paper, and the agreements are made under false pret...on the banks part. That's why I say we aren't in debt. I can make up a lie on paper that says you owe me money. Does that make it true?

I understand what you are saying, I just want to extend that type of thinking to our mortgages, car notes and everything else. We are to love one another and owe no man.

All bills are made up and fraudulent!

 

[vic1980]

If I say that getting rid of money WILL feed the world, and you say no we need to keep it, then it IS your love of money that upholds the evil! And what world do you live on? What do we give? Money? America exports NOTHING, but we give our paper dollars away for EVERYTHING to be imported to us.

Now again the "official" debt STANDS at 17 trillion dollars! There is no propaganda in this. YOU do the simple math. If I/bank loan YOU/world $1. First and foremost, the reason that $1 exists in the first place is because I/bank made it into existence. It would not have existed if YOU/world did not sign your name to borrow it. Now I/bank give you the loan of $1 and tell you/world that you have to pay me $2 back.



Now this is easy first grade arithmetic solving! HOW CAN YOU/WORLD PAY BACK $2 IF I/BANK ONLY MADE $1 TO BEGIN WITH?


YOU HAVE TO KEEP BORROWING!!!!!!!!

Proverbs 22:7

[SUP]7 [/SUP]The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.

So if YOU/world have to CONSTANTLY borrow to pay interest on man made money, then who do YOU/world serve???

Mark 14:7 You will always have the poor among you, and you can help them whenever you want to. But you will not always have me.

Money is not a issue God always provides. Tell all about the Good news of Jesus Christ is our calling. you also have to remember we are in the world but not of it.

God Bless

 

[Flamingspirit]

Mark 14:7 You will always have the poor among you, and you can help them whenever you want to. But you will not always have me.

Money is not a issue God always provides. Tell all about the Good news of Jesus Christ is our calling. you also have to remember we are in the world but not of it.

God Bless

That is the whole point. The crooked who think they're rich cannot be made straight, and the wanting (those who are poor) will always be countless. But if I believe in heaven, I will work to bring that heaven on earth.

 

[crossnote]

Psalms 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance...

Sadly, need I say more concerning America?

 

[JaumeJ]

Does anyone remember the very quaint "shopping bag ladies" of the late 1970's and early 80's? They even made movies about some of them. I remember them vividly. These people, not just the ladies by the way, eked out a living, barely, by any means availed to them because they had fallen through the cracks in the then extant welfare system. I knew of working poor living up to five in an efficiency in Chicago. There were people sleeping nights in Lower Wacker Drive, a subterranean way under part of Chicago's Loop; the Loop is the downtown area encircled by the elevated train.

This type of poverty began then, so long ago, and it never went away, but Americans learned to ignore it as though the miracle of the US economy reached these folks. The numbers have increased steadily since then, but through certain voodoo economics practices, they were counted out of the system, ie when an individual's unemployment benefits would run out, they were no longer counted as unemployed though they may be sleeping under a bridge and getting their food from grocery store dumpsters and the like. By the way, it was a president who coined the expression "voodoo economics," Ronald Reagan, and his administration is the one that actually began in earnest to put it into practice. It is world wide today.

The world has already become Africa and Mexico for a great number of citizens in all countries. Please do not come to the defense of these practices, I have been there, witnessed it, and I remember it day to day. May Yahweh bless the oppressed of this age, though their numbers increase by the hour, He is making note of it.

Surely He is returning soon with true justice and judgment in His Hand. Come Lord, Yeshua, come, amen.

 

[dcontroversal]

Psalms 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance...

Sadly, need I say more concerning America?

We could such as.....

Under Democracy which we have spread to the known world by force, political means, money etc. we have taught the world to WORSHIP GOD AS YOU PLEASE.......

God is (<--be verb) SPIRIT and they that worship God.......

A. Must worship him in Spirit and IN TRUTH

OR

B. Worship God how you please...........

 

[crossnote]

We could such as.....

Under Democracy which we have spread to the known world by force, political means, money etc. we have taught the world to WORSHIP GOD AS YOU PLEASE.......

God is (<--be verb) SPIRIT and they that worship God.......

A. Must worship him in Spirit and IN TRUTH

OR

B. Worship God how you please...........

is (<--be verb)

My brain is over amping due to that powerful insight.

 

[Dan58]

We get what we vote for..
"And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them" (Isaiah 3;4)