Was the Law Your Tutor?

[mpaper345]

The moral laws of God are never done away with for those laws are spiritual and holy but only the physical ordinances of Israel were nailed to Jesus' cross and taken out of the way.

The Bible says we do not void out the law but we establish it which we can do by the Spirit for a Spirit led life cannot sin.

When the Bible says if we are led of the Spirit we are not under the law,it means that a Spirit led life has been forgiven of all sins and cannot sin as long as a person is led of the Spirit,therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution for they are obeying the moral laws by the Spirit.

The truth is everybody has to live up to the moral laws of God but they could not do that in the Old Testament but we can do that in the New Testament by the Spirit.

It is all about being able to fulfill the law,the moral laws including the 10 commandments,to be right with God.

 

[Flamingspirit]

Money is not needed to spread the word my friend. You may buy 1000 bibles to help save the world, but the printer of the book got paid.

We may go to war with the man who bought 1000 Qu'Rans, and the one who printed our bibles, have also supplied them theirs.

The word of God is not spread with the fruit of the earth, but with the fruit of the Spirit in joy and love for one another, which is the kingdom of God

 

[RedTent]

When you talk to me about my spiritual position, bring scripture, not seemingly hallucinogen induced ideas. What you just said has nothing to do with scripture or serving God.
Hard to believe that you have 24/7/365 internet access and you can't pay bills. Someone is treating you well. I hope you have more respect for them than you do me.

How in the world did you manage to twist my post about income and outgo into "I accuse you of not paying bills". Your hate is taking you over!! Right now, I have a broken pelvis. What do you make of that to damn me? No, you didn't break it with your chain saw, I'm so glad you don't know where I live.
How about this scripture as part of what you also condemn:
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[TD="colspan: 2"]The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)[/TD]
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[TD]“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.[/TD]
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[TD]“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.[/TD]
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[TD]“You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.[/TD]
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[TD]“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.[/TD]
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[TD]“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.[/TD]
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[TD]“You shall not murder.[/TD]
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[TD]“You shall not commit adultery.[/TD]
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[TD]“You shall not steal.[/TD]
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[TD]“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.[/TD]
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[TD]“You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”[/TD]
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[nl]

If you transgress standards of law and custom in the realms of family, business, church or civil society, then the result, sooner or later, is likely to be seriously adverse consequences.

Do you really think that anyone can transgress and sin against the holy, eternal, majestic God and encounter no adverse consequences? King David sinned in his relationships with Bathsheba and Uriah the Hittite. King David repented deeply and he was forgiven yet consequences remained.

 

[oldthennew]

we have found, that to be selfless and feel genuine respect for others
we must clean-up our own messes first.
our own desire to become clean helps us to have
compassion, patience, and understanding for our fellow-man,
even when we are in disagreement.
as it is written, 'Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.'

hard, to say the least, and really not possible at all without
Divine Intervention, because unless we love our Lord
with all of our hearts and souls and minds then
we can't love our fellow man, because this is
a law, and on these (2) laws, everything hangs.
the two are so intertwined, that one does
not come without the other.

 

[BradC]

Is that the sum total of why God spends so much time telling us about it? God sure wasted His breath on us, didn't He? Dumb God? Don't you think if you were teaching God, you'd tell Him to tell you this up front, at least.

Why do you and JaumeJ and others refuse to acknowledge the purpose of the law being added because of transgressions? Before the law any word spoken by God to man entered the conscience to allow man to have the norms and standards for life. Noah and his time is an example of man who rejected the righteousness of God that Noah preached and the rejection they were subject to when they perished by the flood. There was nor written law only inspiration that came from God to man. The promise of the seed came after the flood to Abraham again by inspiration and the spoken word. However, man was still in bandage to sin and so were those living in Egypt under its bondage. Then God raised up Moses to deliver them from the bondage of Egypt and led them into the wilderness. There the people lusted and God was not pleased. Then the law was delivered unto Moses and added to the people on Sinai because of their sin and transgressions of violating their conscience and lusting extensively in every area of life. This is all recorded in scripture and culminated in the construction of the golden calf so that they could worship in their idolatry that was rooted in the ways of the Egyptians. When the law was given it revealed their attitude and aptitude for sin in the form of the many kinds of lust they exhibited. The law that was given did not deliver them but rather put them under a system of works that the flesh could conform to or else condemnation would prevail. More later.

 

[JaumeJ]

You are taking a lot upon yourself to declare in this forum what I do or do not allow for. I have read all of what you quote, and I know how it is applied to the life in Yeshua. You have not inquired of me on this, you have presumed. This is not the way to conduct yourself with family in Yeshua, Jesus.

You want to know what I love about the law? It points to Jesus, Yeshua. It is full of prohecy. It is wisdom. Now, if you do not know how the law is established by faith, and how it is to be acknowledged under the instruction and example of our Lord, you need to read what He has to say about the law, and how He applied the law, for this is what we should all do.

The law was not nailed to the cross. It is the curse of the law that was nailed to the cross. The curse of the law is death. We no longer need fear the law for those included with the law are now covered by the mercy of Yeshua, Jesus. I have shared this with you before, but you refuse either to read it, or perhaps you simply cannot see it or hear it.

No man earns salvation by being obedient, for obedience is his due, we are all saved by grace, but grace is no excuse to continue in sin, and all know that sin is breaking the law. You do not understand this, for this has been shared with you many times. Your constant looping of the very same questions is reminiscent of the Pharisees questioning the blind man who was healed by our Lord. So I will ask you, why do you repeat these questions time and time again, with my answering them, do you too wish to love the beauty contained by the law?

Why do you and JaumeJ and others refuse to acknowledge the purpose of the law being added because of transgressions? Before the law any word spoken by God to man entered the conscience to allow man to have the norms and standards for life. Noah and his time is an example of man who rejected the righteousness of God that Noah preached and the rejection they were subject to when they perished by the flood. There was nor written law only inspiration that came from God to man. The promise of the seed came after the flood to Abraham again by inspiration and the spoken word. However, man was still in bandage to sin and so were those living in Egypt under its bondage. Then God raised up Moses to deliver them from the bondage of Egypt and led them into the wilderness. There the people lusted and God was not pleased. Then the law was delivered unto Moses and added to the people on Sinai because of their sin and transgressions of violating their conscience and lusting extensively in every area of life. This is all recorded in scripture and culminated in the construction of the golden calf so that they could worship in their idolatry that was rooted in the ways of the Egyptians. When the law was given it revealed their attitude and aptitude for sin in the form of the many kinds of lust they exhibited. The law that was given did not deliver them but rather put them under a system of works that the flesh could conform to or else condemnation would prevail. More later.

 

[KohenMatt]

Why do you and JaumeJ and others refuse to acknowledge the purpose of the law being added because of transgressions? Before the law any word spoken by God to man entered the conscience to allow man to have the norms and standards for life. Noah and his time is an example of man who rejected the righteousness of God that Noah preached and the rejection they were subject to when they perished by the flood. There was nor written law only inspiration that came from God to man. The promise of the seed came after the flood to Abraham again by inspiration and the spoken word. However, man was still in bandage to sin and so were those living in Egypt under its bondage. Then God raised up Moses to deliver them from the bondage of Egypt and led them into the wilderness. There the people lusted and God was not pleased. Then the law was delivered unto Moses and added to the people on Sinai because of their sin and transgressions of violating their conscience and lusting extensively in every area of life. This is all recorded in scripture and culminated in the construction of the golden calf so that they could worship in their idolatry that was rooted in the ways of the Egyptians. When the law was given it revealed their attitude and aptitude for sin in the form of the many kinds of lust they exhibited. The law that was given did not deliver them but rather put them under a system of works that the flesh could conform to or else condemnation would prevail. More later.

What Scriptures in the giving of the Law is this purpose and motivation recorded?

 

[homwardbound]

I never said that. I'm sure that my track record speaks for itself that I believe that all men are of God and return to Him. I am making a point as Daniel did when he understood.

thank you, edification one to the other is important, so look please and ask God where inuendos are in the postings, that the enemy uses to create conflicts one to the other and maybe forsake that as God lets you and me and all others see this. Thanks for your response in love to all

 

[homwardbound]

I pray we both see with our eyes the day I see in faith. Get rid of money and you will know true peace.

Do you mean the love of it? for this world does not operate as God does, yet money to buy is necessary right?

 

[homwardbound]

The moral laws of God are never done away with for those laws are spiritual and holy but only the physical ordinances of Israel were nailed to Jesus' cross and taken out of the way.

The Bible says we do not void out the law but we establish it which we can do by the Spirit for a Spirit led life cannot sin.

When the Bible says if we are led of the Spirit we are not under the law,it means that a Spirit led life has been forgiven of all sins and cannot sin as long as a person is led of the Spirit,therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution for they are obeying the moral laws by the Spirit.

The truth is everybody has to live up to the moral laws of God but they could not do that in the Old Testament but we can do that in the New Testament by the Spirit.

It is all about being able to fulfill the law,the moral laws including the 10 commandments,to be right with God.

Are you positive yourself is not in the way, for God to do waht God has past tense already done for you?

 

[Flamingspirit]

Do you mean the love of it? for this world does not operate as God does, yet money to buy is necessary right?

You cannot get rid of love Homwardbound. We CAN however, get rid of the object that love acts upon.

People cannot shoot people if there is no guns. Likewise, no man is placed above another simply because he has more money.

 

[KohenMatt]

You cannot get rid of love Homwardbound. We CAN however, get rid of the object that love acts upon.

People cannot shoot people if there is no guns. Likewise, no man is placed above another simply because he has more money.

So what does life look like without money? It sounds like a nice idea, but does it practically look like?

Why don't you start a separate thread so this one doesn't continue to be derailed, and tell us what this "life without money" looks like?

 

[homwardbound]

The whole pie, book of Christ the word in God the creator of all is LOVE as in 1 cor 13:4-7. so maybe if we get unattached from this world, and just be in it and not of it, you know then we might be free, you think? Free to what? Love as God does in 1 Cor13:4-7 You think? If it warrants anger, then it is not love when I attack or anyone else does, you think?

 

[homwardbound]

You cannot get rid of love Homwardbound. We CAN however, get rid of the object that love acts upon.

People cannot shoot people if there is no guns. Likewise, no man is placed above another simply because he has more money.

Where did I say to get rid of Love, God's type not man's? Can you be or are you in contentment here on earth as an ambassador representing the love, joy, peace and righteousness found in God's Spirit of truth, over the Spirit of error?

 

[JaumeJ]

Everyone could stand to meditate on this question, and act upon it. Thanks.

Where did I say to get rid of Love, God's type not man's? Can you be or are you in contentment here on earth as an ambassador representing the love, joy, peace and righteousness found in God's Spirit of truth, over the Spirit of error?

 

[Flamingspirit]

Where did I say to get rid of Love, God's type not man's? Can you be or are you in contentment here on earth as an ambassador representing the love, joy, peace and righteousness found in God's Spirit of truth, over the Spirit of error?

You asked did I mean the love for. This, no man can take away. God is love.

What I don't understand is that for most here, they seem against getting rid of money. They define it as "the love of" not realizing that they if fact LOVE it.

Getting rid of money will get rid of all true evil and yet no one wants this for fear of losing their own livelihood.

 

[homwardbound]

Everyone could stand to meditate on this question, and act upon it. Thanks.

Thank you back, here to grow in deeper understanding of this amazing grace to all, not ever to be taken for granted as I know this to be your thought on the subject, and are by God being taught directly as in Hebrews 8:11

 

[homwardbound]

You asked did I mean the love for. This, no man can take away. God is love.

What I don't understand is that for most here, they seem against getting rid of money. They define it as "the love of" not realizing that they if fact LOVE it.

Getting rid of money will get rid of all true evil and yet no one wants this for fear of losing their own livelihood.

re-read my quote please?

Originally Posted by homwardbound

Do you mean the love of it? for this world does not operate as God does, yet money to buy is necessary right?

Clearly to me I see it stated the love of money, and so you misinterpreted it, just to clear it up.
Also go ahead, get rid of money, create Utopia, have a great time while God does this individually in his Children, and not worried where others are going or doing, for we are doing our jobs as called to do in love to all. hope you are not forsaking this? And if are I trust God to straighten this out, for God said God will for all his Children God has accepted. And you knwo this is in the word, don't you?

 

[homwardbound]

You asked did I mean the love for. This, no man can take away. God is love.

What I don't understand is that for most here, they seem against getting rid of money. They define it as "the love of" not realizing that they if fact LOVE it.

Getting rid of money will get rid of all true evil and yet no one wants this for fear of losing their own livelihood.

I hope you are not like many of past that get others to give up their riches to you, as many pastors have done this to others in manipulations