The view: "Husbands are just another child to raise"

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Angela53510

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If there is a problem with men being lazy, the blame seems to rest squarely on the mothers who raised them. Some mothers tend to baby their sons and don't give them any household responsibility, like the daughters, who learn to work hard.

Speaking from personal experience, I have a brother who was never expected to do anything, while I did all the housework. He still lives in my mother's basement, at age 58, while my aging mother can't move into assisted living because somehow it "isn't fair" to make him move out in his own. Apparently, he was teased too, in junior high.

My husband's mother would not let him make a bed. I know, because my oldest son was 12 when we were visiting one time, made his bed in the morning, like he was taught, and she came and pulled it apart because it wasn't good enough! But he was only visiting, I can't imagine what it would have been like to grow up and face that kind of domineering perfectionism daily. My husband could not make a bed for 33 years. I would tell him it was not rocket science, but he would grow all helpless, and confused at the concept. But I have some fitted sheets, which are too hard for me to pull over the corners, and now that he has been retired the last 7 months, I have been getting him to help me, and we have made the bed together from each side.

Imagine my surprise this week, when we didn't get around to making the bed, and I came in to find the bed perfectly made! So he is over his learned helplessness! He is a hard working man, but there are just areas he was never taught or shown how to do things, and it made him look unhelpful around the house.

As far as sons, I raised three to do housework and to clean their rooms. They are married to women that work, and all of them help around the home. I am proud of them, as they are hard working men, just like I raised them to be. My son-in-law was a bit spoiled, but is very intelligent and realized he cannot expect his wife to work full time putting him through residency and do all the housework. The first year if marriage was hard in him, but he now cleans their condo from top to bottom on his weeks off.

So don't expect a man to be helpful if he is never taught. Lazy little boys grow up to be lazy old men! But hard working men are a joy, and any boy can be taught the basics.

Now as far as the daughters working on houses and cars, my parents had me helping build houses, and I built the one I have lived in the last 14 years. My daughter helped her father rebuild the car that crashed, and she is very good at body work, now!

This is is the big reason I hate these stupid stereotypes Christians have bought into. Any PERSON is capable of learning, helping, and be a part of the maintenance and upkeep of a home. Laziness is learned. And it applies to women, as well as men. And both men and women can be a part of the work force.

I worked outside the home, and my husband and children all contributed to the daily and weekly tasks around our home. My children all had part time jobs after school, and they learned to work. That is a lifetime skill, but it won't happen if kids are just given money.

Now that I am sick, there are many jobs I can't do. But I do the jobs I can, like cooking, even wearing a brace on my hand to keep the bones from subluxing, or dislocating doing simple tasks. My husband has filled in the gap, and he is a gift from God! I'm just glad he was given some responsibilities growing up, because he became a great father and husband!


PS Sorry for the long post! My years of teaching also taught me that anyone can learn and work hard, if you give the students discipline and high standards. The curriculum has been dummied down for too long!
 
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jeremyPJ

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Our television is responsible for a good bit of this. Watch the sitcoms from the seventies/eighties and later. I think over time it gets through the workplace, into marriages, friendships, etc.

Honestly, when my girl, who goes to a Christian school, came home one time and proclaimed that men are supposed to lead in the family, her saying that in front of my "then wife", well I didn't know whether to do a fist pump in the air or poop myself...my wife was frozen...lol
 

Shawn2516

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And you are wrong about men being the only gender being told to fix themselves. There have been tons of threads on this site alone that tries to tell women how horrible they are and what they need to do to become a “True Woman”. This thread is not meant to tell men to fix themselves, but instead to explore this thought process of men being viewed as nothing more than children, and why.
I believe men are viewed as children because feminism (women) has attacked mens masculinity and outlawed it. Thus, real men cannot be unless you want to get locked up. Its really easy these days to put a man in jail on the whim of false accusation and off he goes. Career and all down the toilet because he stood up for himself.

Simply put, men cannot be men, because women won't let us via Government.
 

Roh_Chris

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I believe men are viewed as children because feminism (women) has attacked mens masculinity and outlawed it. Thus, real men cannot be unless you want to get locked up. Its really easy these days to put a man in jail on the whim of false accusation and off he goes. Career and all down the toilet because he stood up for himself.

Simply put, men cannot be men, because women won't let us via Government.
I agree too. Anywhere in the world there is a lot of resistance these days against men being men. If we are assertive then we get blamed as being chauvinistic. If we are retiring then we are called as babies. I think the main fault is the rise of feminism. I accept that extremes on either sides are wrong. But nowadays feminism has out-lived its purpose. Today it threatens to encroach upon the God-given responsibilities and rights of a man. And that is not good for a balanced society.
 
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INTJer

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There numerous things:

We are an immediate graification society. People of both sexes are being infantilized - they feel entitled to get exactly what they want when they want it and when they don't get what they want, they throw a tantrum.

Radical feminism. Men are told over and over again that they aren't needed, they aren't wanted, and that they are stupid and evil.

Fatherhood is looked down on.

The youth culture has led to a prolonged adolesence. Even men's addictions are the things of adolesence. Grown men obsessed with video games or comic books. Pornography and a stunted view of sex. If a guy says he is "into sports," all that probably means is he spends the entire weekend drinking beer, eating junk food, and watching games on TV.

Radical individualism as expressed in the hook-up culture. The best "relationship" is very temporary and requires no committment.

Men who do get married carry a lot of baggage and habits from our culture and might bring that into a marriage, and so do women.
 
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the view? of course left wing feminazi's would say something like that.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Ha ha, I actually agree with this persons point. I would be such a horrible husband. I'd probably honestly reply to "your such a child all the time", and I'd be like yep you are 100% right dear....say "go make me a sandwich mom"......and just pop in Aladdin on DVD. Not just to make a point, I would loooove it....and I would watch the whole thing. Of course you know she ain't making that sandwhich, but that's the plan.......now it's time to go grab a half gallon of chocolate ice cream and a spoon....no bowl, and just sit there and enjoy the fabulous songs that only a disney movie can provide. Then when you get yelled at for eating ice cream at 10 oclock in the morning you could just be like, you gotta learn how to raise your kids better mom.....if you don't feed them you can't blame them for eating whatever they get their hands on. lol, ya know this marriage thing don't sound so bad now that I see these new possibilities for amusement.

Anytime you fail to listen, she's a bad parent. lol.
 

ChandlerFan

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I believe men are viewed as children because feminism (women) has attacked mens masculinity and outlawed it. Thus, real men cannot be unless you want to get locked up. Its really easy these days to put a man in jail on the whim of false accusation and off he goes. Career and all down the toilet because he stood up for himself.

Simply put, men cannot be men, because women won't let us via Government.
The maybe your definition of what it means to be a man is out of whack. I don't see the government preventing anyone from taking responsibility for themselves.
 

seoulsearch

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One interesting thing about all the complaints about feminism (of which I do NOT consider myself a part of), but I don't hear men complaining about women going out and finding jobs or seeking an education in order to find higher-level/paying jobs.

I worked with a woman who was maybe only 12 years older than me and said in her day, the only reason a woman went to college was to snag a "good" husband. "Good" of course, meaning one with a well-paying career.

Sure, there are people (both men and women) who use other people for money--one reason I'm single is that I unfortunately had relationships with the male counterparts of those who drain another person dry.

Now I could be wrong, but it seems to me that one of the major results of the push for women's rights, through both positive and negative means, is the "modern"? belief that women are to go out and get themselves a job just as much as the men are. Of course, as I said, some people will exist who will use other people no matter how much we move forward, but for as many complaints as I hear about "women's this" or "women's that", I wonder if the men are just as upset about women now equipping themselves to be active participants in the workforce instead of going to college to "snag a man".

*shrugs* My father raised me to get a job, or two or three, whatever it takes... and be responsible. It didn't matter if you were a man (since I have brothers) or a woman, and he NEVER treated me any lesser for being a girl, nor did he ever tell me that women are money-hungry leeches. (This, coming from a family of almost all stay-at-home mothers, including my own mom, who worked up until they had kids.) My Dad has "supported" her ever since, and she's as far from being a feminist (in the negative sense) as you can get, and not once has he ever said she "used him" for money. My Mom is someone you have to argue with to get her to spend money on herself, and I always tell my Dad, it was a blessing that he found her instead of a woman who would have shopped all his hard work away. And I know many other women who are the same way, so why so many men here have not met them seems truly unfortunate.

Sorry to derail, Viola... Just had a few thoughts I wanted to add.

The comments about our modern media portraying men and fathers as "bumbling idiots" has been pretty fascinating (I was thinking of even children's series like The Berenstein Bears; Papa Bear is never portrayed as being very smart)--I'd never even thought about this before and it makes me rather sad. Men, and especially those with families, definitely deserve more respect and more accurate portrayals than popular entertainment will give them.

I also find generational beliefs to be a factor as well. My Grandpas did NOT cook or clean at all. That was considered "women's work". A few years after my first Grandpa died, my Grandma had a boyfriend for something like 15 years. She would cook for him and he would visit her at her house 3 times a week because he did not cook for himself. While he expressed interest in getting married, she never wanted to because she said she didn't want to go back to having to cook and clean for someone full-time.

When my Grandma on the other side of the family died, my Grandpa was completely lost because he didn't even know how to open a can of soup and heat it in the microwave. It was the only thing he allowed my Mom and myself to teach him about cooking. He absolutely refused to learn anything else because my Grandma had always taken care of everything domestic (while working full-time on their farm just as much as he did from before sunrise to well after sundown.) He doesn't cook or even know how to do laundry and refuses to learn. And cleaning? Don't make me laugh. I would visit him every week for the first 18 months after my Grandma died, trying and pleading with him to get him to make a better meal than Campbell's tomato soup and a piece of toast.

I love, love, love my Grandpa dearly. He was there when cars (horseless carriages) and electricity first became available to modern homes, and remembers well what it was like to live without them.

But I would never want to have to take care of someone (as a husband) from that generation OR mindset either.
 
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Loveneverfails

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Your husband will only be another child to raise if you choose to marry a childish man. Marry an adult, respect him as an adult, then enjoy being his wife instead of his mother.

I understand that maybe some women get caught up in infatuation and don't realize until it's too late that their husband is a big baby...but that's why it's so important to use wisdom and discernment in the dating process. Seek godly counsel. Don't rush. You can't control the future but you can give yourself a fighting chance at success.
 

jb

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I believe they are just simply like that, they don't handle pain or being sick very well. My dad didn't hear any of that and he's a big baby. A lot of men follow their father's example.

LOL! x 2

Take your blinkers off love! :p
 
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I thought this might fit well here.
 
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INTJer

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Your husband will only be another child to raise if you choose to marry a childish man. Marry an adult, respect him as an adult, then enjoy being his wife instead of his mother.

I understand that maybe some women get caught up in infatuation and don't realize until it's too late that their husband is a big baby...but that's why it's so important to use wisdom and discernment in the dating process. Seek godly counsel. Don't rush. You can't control the future but you can give yourself a fighting chance at success.
As far as infatuation goes, some women get attracted to a brash narcissist, mistaking that for healthy self confidence. Then they find that the narcissist has needs - he needs everything but can't give much in return. Women might not be as quick to notice the lower-key guy (not a doormat), who is responsible - he might not seem as "exciting" but he is better suited to the give and take of a relationship.
 

ChandlerFan

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As far as infatuation goes, some women get attracted to a brash narcissist, mistaking that for healthy self confidence. Then they find that the narcissist has needs - he needs everything but can't give much in return. Women might not be as quick to notice the lower-key guy (not a doormat), who is responsible - he might not seem as "exciting" but he is better suited to the give and take of a relationship.
Just remember that this is a generalization that is not always going to be true ;)
 

Loveneverfails

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As far as infatuation goes, some women get attracted to a brash narcissist, mistaking that for healthy self confidence. Then they find that the narcissist has needs - he needs everything but can't give much in return. Women might not be as quick to notice the lower-key guy (not a doormat), who is responsible - he might not seem as "exciting" but he is better suited to the give and take of a relationship.
Sure, that's a possibility. It's also possible that a girl could fall for a guy who is "super cute and nice and makes me laugh", but much later she finds out he's lazy and immature. The same goes for men and their choice of women to date and marry. There are lots of possibilities. Like I said, that's why it's so important to use wisdom and discernment when choosing a spouse. :)
 
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