PURGATORY DOES NOT EXIST - IT IS A FALSE TEACHING BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

[notuptome]

Please provide the Biblical text from the KJV Bible. If you cannot do that, please donate money to this site as you are wasting their computer time.

Have you read Luke 16? Jesus demonstrates that souls are very much alive and aware in the grave. Soul sleep and annihilation are both long proven false doctrines. The kind of junk that the JW's teach.

Discrediting a false teaching of the Catholic church does nothing to prop up another set of false doctrines. Hell is real and hell is eternal just like heaven is real and heaven is eternal.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Last]

The Roman Catholics members submit to the pope as they believe he is God on this earth, and that he is in the place of Jesus Christ. What a story.

That's a blatant lie. An absolute lie that you or the person who lied to you will be held accountable for on the day of judgment.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

You are just pointing at a similar word and saying, "Ha". We are purged of our sins, yes. My problem is this...when are you purged of your fallen mind? We all still sin willingly. We have a will that can still be convinced to fall, just as Adam and Eve's wills were convinced. When does that get corrected?

How do you equal purging to mind games because that is what you are doing. Satan was a master in playing with people's minds. If you do not understand why Jesus Christ came to this earth, then you have a problem and need some serious studies. Be then open minded and look at God's Word and not any other document from a church. Do NOT defend your church's teachings. Every church has their own documents and they all claim it to be correct, but they all differ from each other, so will you agree that there is something fishy going on? A little bit of advice, you can learn a lot on this site if you look for it, but to attack each writer on this site is not appreciated. You are still young and have a lot to learn. Don't advertise you ignorance by pointing wrong fingers to people who are trying to help those who do need to learn the truth because you are definitely one of them.

 

[notuptome]

That's a blatant lie. An absolute lie that you or the person who lied to you will be held accountable for on the day of judgment.

So you are saying that the Catholic church does not teach that the pope is the vicar of Christ?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[TruthFromFrank]

That's a blatant lie. An absolute lie that you or the person who lied to you will be held accountable for on the day of judgment.

Without prejudice.

THE CATECHISM SIMPLY EXPLAINED by CANON CAFFERATA - the official document of the beliefs quote the following.

Article 85. Who is the head of the Catholic Church? The head of the Catholic Church is Jesus Christ our Lord. Naturally, since He founded it. But Jesus Christ is now in heaven. We cannot see Him, talk with Him, consult Him. His visible Church on earth must, therefore, like every other visible society, have a head here on earth to exercise the ruling functions of Jesus Christ. Our Lord arranged for such a visible head.
Article 86. Has the Church a visible head on earth? The Church has a visible head on earth, the Bishop of Rome, who is the vicar of Christ. A vicar is one who supplies the place of another and performs an office on his behalf. The answer means that the Pope, who is the Bishop of Rome, holds the headship of the Church by Christ's authority and in His name.The proof that the Pope is the visible head of the Church is given in the next two questions.
Article 87. Why is the Bishop of Rome the head of the Church? The Bishop of Rome is the head of the Church because he is the successor of St Peter, whom Christ appointed to be the head of the Church.
Article 88. How do you know that Christ appointed St Peter to be the head of the Church? I know that Christ appointed St Peter to be the head of the Church because Christ said to him, "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And to thee I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven."
Article 89. What is the Bishop of Rome called? The Bishop of Rome is called the Pope, which word signifies "Father".
Article 90. Is the Pope the spiritual Father of all Christians? The Pope is the spiritual Father of all Christians. In a family the father is the head.
Article 92. Is the Pope infallible? The Pope is infallible.
Article 93. What do you mean when you say that the Pope is infallible? When I say that the Pope is infallible I mean that the Pope cannot err when, as Shepherd and Teacher of all Christians, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church. ............... You see, the Pope is the supreme teacher. Since Christ is God ......St Peter and his successors ....... all these texts make clear that the Pope is infallible.

Conclusion = According to the RCC teaching, as per the articles above, quoted from their official doctrine, also available on the internet, Jesus = God = Vicar = Pope = Father. Am I wrong if I quote the RCC doctrine?
My writing is based on facts and is not a blatant lie as you utter. Get your facts first before you tackle me.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Have you read Luke 16? Jesus demonstrates that souls are very much alive and aware in the grave. Soul sleep and annihilation are both long proven false doctrines. The kind of junk that the JW's teach.

Discrediting a false teaching of the Catholic church does nothing to prop up another set of false doctrines. Hell is real and hell is eternal just like heaven is real and heaven is eternal.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Newsflash:- The word "Hell" is derived from the Hebrew word "Sheol" 7585 which is translated as Grave, Hell and Pit. The word "Hell" is also derived from the Greek word "Hades" 86 which also is translated as Grave and Hell. Another Greek word "Geenna" 1067 is translated as Hell, Hell(fire). Another reference is the Greek word "Tartaroo" 5020 "Cast down to hell". To state that hell is an ever burning pit of fire is thus a lie. This information is extracted from the Youngs Analytical Concordance and the Numbers after each word is the same as the accepted Strongs Concordance. Again, my statements are based on facts and not false teachings. Any reference to hell could thus be referring to a pit, a grave or hell, but to make a rigid statement that hell is a place of fire, is a laughing matter to say the least. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

That's a blatant lie. An absolute lie that you or the person who lied to you will be held accountable for on the day of judgment.

Without prejudice.
I forgot to mention -The so called "blatant lie" is no other than ................guess who? You are right. Check The Catechism Simply Explained by Canon Cafferata. The official doctrine of the RCC. So I wonder who will be held accountable on the day of judgment?

 

[notuptome]

Newsflash:- The word "Hell" is derived from the Hebrew word "Sheol" 7585 which is translated as Grave, Hell and Pit. The word "Hell" is also derived from the Greek word "Hades" 86 which also is translated as Grave and Hell. Another Greek word "Geenna" 1067 is translated as Hell, Hell(fire). Another reference is the Greek word "Tartaroo" 5020 "Cast down to hell". To state that hell is an ever burning pit of fire is thus a lie. This information is extracted from the Youngs Analytical Concordance and the Numbers after each word is the same as the accepted Strongs Concordance. Again, my statements are based on facts and not false teachings. Any reference to hell could thus be referring to a pit, a grave or hell, but to make a rigid statement that hell is a place of fire, is a laughing matter to say the least. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I do not think Jesus was attempting humor in Luke 16. There is clearly a torment in the flame mentioned there. Not a matter of fiction and I'll let you tell Jesus He doesn't know what He's talking about.

I know the Greek context and the Hebrew but no matter how you translate it I do not see it as a pleasant place.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ThomistColin]

How do you equal purging to mind games because that is what you are doing. Satan was a master in playing with people's minds. If you do not understand why Jesus Christ came to this earth, then you have a problem and need some serious studies. Be then open minded and look at God's Word and not any other document from a church. Do NOT defend your church's teachings. Every church has their own documents and they all claim it to be correct, but they all differ from each other, so will you agree that there is something fishy going on? A little bit of advice, you can learn a lot on this site if you look for it, but to attack each writer on this site is not appreciated. You are still young and have a lot to learn. Don't advertise you ignorance by pointing wrong fingers to people who are trying to help those who do need to learn the truth because you are definitely one of them.

Don't defend the Church that you are attacking, that I belong to, and that many Christians have died to defend? Hmm...Nope not gonna stop defending the Church against lies.

 

[ThomistColin]

Without prejudice.

THE CATECHISM SIMPLY EXPLAINED by CANON CAFFERATA - the official document of the beliefs quote the following.

Article 85. Who is the head of the Catholic Church? The head of the Catholic Church is Jesus Christ our Lord. Naturally, since He founded it. But Jesus Christ is now in heaven. We cannot see Him, talk with Him, consult Him. His visible Church on earth must, therefore, like every other visible society, have a head here on earth to exercise the ruling functions of Jesus Christ. Our Lord arranged for such a visible head.
Article 86. Has the Church a visible head on earth? The Church has a visible head on earth, the Bishop of Rome, who is the vicar of Christ. A vicar is one who supplies the place of another and performs an office on his behalf. The answer means that the Pope, who is the Bishop of Rome, holds the headship of the Church by Christ's authority and in His name.The proof that the Pope is the visible head of the Church is given in the next two questions.
Article 87. Why is the Bishop of Rome the head of the Church? The Bishop of Rome is the head of the Church because he is the successor of St Peter, whom Christ appointed to be the head of the Church.
Article 88. How do you know that Christ appointed St Peter to be the head of the Church? I know that Christ appointed St Peter to be the head of the Church because Christ said to him, "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And to thee I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven."
Article 89. What is the Bishop of Rome called? The Bishop of Rome is called the Pope, which word signifies "Father".
Article 90. Is the Pope the spiritual Father of all Christians? The Pope is the spiritual Father of all Christians. In a family the father is the head.
Article 92. Is the Pope infallible? The Pope is infallible.
Article 93. What do you mean when you say that the Pope is infallible? When I say that the Pope is infallible I mean that the Pope cannot err when, as Shepherd and Teacher of all Christians, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church. ............... You see, the Pope is the supreme teacher. Since Christ is God ......St Peter and his successors ....... all these texts make clear that the Pope is infallible.

Conclusion = According to the RCC teaching, as per the articles above, quoted from their official doctrine, also available on the internet, Jesus = God = Vicar = Pope = Father. Am I wrong if I quote the RCC doctrine?
My writing is based on facts and is not a blatant lie as you utter. Get your facts first before you tackle me.

Your conclusion is wrong. A vicar serves the one above him, he does not claim to be that person. So there is the leap of logic and the lie that is being accused.

 

[notuptome]

Your conclusion is wrong. A vicar serves the one above him, he does not claim to be that person. So there is the leap of logic and the lie that is being accused.

What is the definition of the term vicar? It appears that you are parsing your terms here.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Chaplain]

Books that has authorship issues, and the Catholic Church don't even have a clue ? The Pope is so smart, what about- A vicar serves the one above him ?

Do not even respond- just saying, they fail under scholarship.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Purgatory is HELL.

Please prove your statement with texts from the KJV Bible. You have got it all wrong according to my studies.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Your conclusion is wrong. A vicar serves the one above him, he does not claim to be that person. So there is the leap of logic and the lie that is being accused.

The information I have quoted here comes direct from the Catechism of the RCC. Am I wrong to make the assumption with this quote from this book? There is no lower or higher position quoted but "in the place of", on the same level.
The Church has a visible head on earth, the Bishop of Rome, who is the vicar of Christ. A vicar is one who supplies the place of another and performs an office on his behalf. The answer means that the Pope, who is the Bishop of Rome, holds the headship of the Church by Christ's authority and in His name.The proof that the Pope is the visible head of the Church
If you want to argue about this, argue with the RCC or the Pope, who incidentally will agree with the statement from their book.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Don't defend the Church that you are attacking, that I belong to, and that many Christians have died to defend? Hmm...Nope not gonna stop defending the Church against lies.

I have just quoted from the official reliable sources and if you want to accept what they teach and stand for, it is your prerogative. However, I can tell you that it does not match the Bible's teaching and that is my job to point that out to people. You don't have to accept what I write, I do not force you for one second, but the same way you question my teaching, the same way you need to question your church's teaching. That is the only way to find the truth.

 

[Kerry]

Frank

The pope is not Jesus replacement. I know you have been taught that. Jesus is the head of the church and not the pope. In fact you will not find in the KJV a man being the head of the church. There were leaders and teachers that the Lord had called but no pope. God would not, will not, put that much power into one mans hand. In fact it caused the dark ages.

There are good catholic people and many I will meet in heaven, But face it Frank it is a works based religion. Where what you do makes you righteous. That disagrees with the KJV that say's it is a free gift how do youu accept a gift, you receive it and say thankyou.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

You are right frank. There is no scriptural proof. Without purgatory the whole Roman Catholic belief system falls. The clergy has to keep this false doctrine going in order for the house of cards not to fall. Remember the RC church does not have to have scriptural proof. The church is infallible. It's crazy they put mans traditions over the bible.

I take my hat of for you. The church started off with a lie and they spread more and more lies to cover the previous lies. Unfortunately all Protestant churches have also fallen victim to this as they also need to search through all the lies to find the truth but that is too much of an effort. So they will keep on doing what they do best, lie, and get paid for it.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Frank

The pope is not Jesus replacement. I know you have been taught that. Jesus is the head of the church and not the pope. In fact you will not find in the KJV a man being the head of the church. There were leaders and teachers that the Lord had called but no pope. God would not, will not, put that much power into one mans hand. In fact it caused the dark ages.

There are good catholic people and many I will meet in heaven, But face it Frank it is a works based religion. Where what you do makes you righteous. That disagrees with the KJV that say's it is a free gift how do youu accept a gift, you receive it and say thankyou.

The Church teaches their people that the pope is in the place of Jesus on this earth. I have not been taught that. I extracted that information from the official RCC Catechism authorized by the pope many years ago. It also quotes that the pope is the head or Father of the church. Please refer to the extractions from the Catechism that I placed and read through it carefully and you will notice it. I do agree that you will find good 'catholic people' and so you will find good 'other churches people'.
I honestly don't follow your last paragraph, I don't know what you are trying to tell me. How can you also be so sure that you will be in heaven? If you are a RCC member and hold the Sunday for instance instead of the Sabbath, you may have a huge problem in being in heaven as there will be no Sunday keepers in heaven. Nobody knows if they will be in heaven.

 

[Powemm]

Exodus 24:17

To the Israelites the glory of the*Lord ((((looked like)))) a consuming fire on top of the mountain.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Frank

The pope is not Jesus replacement. I know you have been taught that. Jesus is the head of the church and not the pope. In fact you will not find in the KJV a man being the head of the church. There were leaders and teachers that the Lord had called but no pope. God would not, will not, put that much power into one mans hand. In fact it caused the dark ages.

There are good catholic people and many I will meet in heaven, But face it Frank it is a works based religion. Where what you do makes you righteous. That disagrees with the KJV that say's it is a free gift how do youu accept a gift, you receive it and say thankyou.

Article 103 from the Catechism Simply Explained
How are the faithful on earth in communion with each other? The faithful on earth are in communion with each other by professing the same faith, obeying the same authority, and assisting each other with their prayers and good works. All Catholics throughout the world proclaim their belief in the same doctrines, and THEY OBEY THE POPE.

Article 101 How do you know that the Church cannot err in what she teaches? I know that the Church cannot err in what she teaches because Christ promised that the gates of hell shall never prevail against His Church; that the Holy Ghost shall teach her all things; and that He Himself will be with her all days, even to the consummation of the world.

Two major facts are quoted here and that is, that all church members 'obey the pope', and that 'the church cannot err'. That is why, when the pope says something, everyone in the RCC accepts it without a question that it is true as the Church cannot err. Who is the Church? Is the Church not the pope? The logical conclusion then is that if the Church propagate any non-truth, it must be accepted by every Church member, as the pope said so and cannot err. The Church also accepts that when He said that Christ promised that the gates of hell shall never prevail against His Church, that it is the RCC. What a bluff. The Church needs to re-write their teachings and doctrines to be in line with the Bible, and not the other way around. ie Sabbat, Baptism, Trinity, Purgatory etc. are all subjects that have been changed by the RCC.