Mark of the Beast --- 666

Timeline · Aug 9, 2014

I would like to know, from other preterists, who is thought to be represented by 600, 60, and 6. Of course, Nero is on the "board", but I would like to hear any others. However, if you suspect Nero, go ahead and chime in

, as he seems to be a contender. I haven't really settled on anyone myself, but I lean toward a person that is mentioned in the bible (but I open to other possibilities).

Dan58 · Aug 9, 2014

Read the whole chapter of Rev 13 to get the context. The Beast is a political system, the 10 horns are 10 kings (vs 1). One of the 10 heads receives a deadly wound, meaning a wound to the system (vs 3). The second beast (vs 11) is the anti-Christ, the dragon who gives power to the first beast (vs 4). None of this has happened yet.

So getting to the last verse; "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six" (Revelation 13:18). Counting the number of the beast denotes the time of the beast, not a name. For this 2nd beast is also the number (time) of a man, meaning the son of perdition, the dragon, the anti-Christ.

The number (time) of the man (Satan) culminates when the 6th seal is opened, the 6th trumpet sounds, and the 6th vial is poured out. That's all 666 represents, it is not a name of a mark. The mark of the beast is representative of those who receive and worship him, on (in ) their forehead means convinced in their mind (brainwashed), and a mark on their right hand (vs 16) is symbolic of doing his (devils) work. So imo, the number simply denotes the time of the anti-Christ's appearance.

GodIsSalvation · Aug 9, 2014

Timeline said:

Well that's a major error in the Preterist theology. Preterists erroneously think Revelation is about Nero. The problem is Nero isn't even on the "board" at all since John didn't even receive the Revelation until many decades after Nero's suicide. As Revelation is a prophecy, this means at the very least any famous dictators before the writing of Revelation can be ruled out automatically.

Dan58 · Aug 9, 2014

Just another interesting tidbit;

From; The companion Bible” (Ethelbert W Bullinger) states:

"It is the number of a name. When the name of the “beast” (anti-christ) is known, it will doubtless be recognized by both computation and gematria. The three letters SSS(=666) formed the symbol of Isis and the secret symbol of the old “Mysteries. That ancient “mysteries” and, modern “beliefs” are becoming closely allied, witness the rapid growth and spread of Spiritism, Theosophy, and Occultism of every kind."

"An evil hoard of Islamic fascists from northern Iraq have captured half of Iraq in less than a week. They call themselves the "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" or ISIS for short.

"ISIS means more than that. In Greek, the name of the Egyptian goddess ISIS is pronounced sss, which is counted numerically as 666. Isis is essentially the same fertility goddess of ancient Babylon, called Ishtar."

"Might ISIS be a code word for something far deeper than an upstart revolutionary group in Iraq? "

Isis = 666

Now, I personally am skeptical of this, but its a wild possibility or theory

VCO · Aug 9, 2014

prove-all said:

Oh come on, someone is really reviving that OLD Nero Theory again. FORGET looking for secret codes in the Bible, they never were there in the first place.

The answer to the riddle is really very simple in this modern era of computerized scanners.

TECHNOLOGY NEEDED TO FULFILL THE MARK OF THE BEAST

No 666 is not a symbol, it is only a number that identifies a man, IT SAYS SO, read it again.

Revelation 13:16-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

In other words it is similar to our Social Security numbers. Only this one will be three groups of 6 digits. Henry Kissenger invented such a EMERGENCY plan in the late 90s, in case the perceived Y2K world wide banking crash actually happened. Since it is the computer age, it probably will be a number imbedded in a very small microchip or biochip as they want to call those designed for humans. They are already testing the (RFID) Radio Frequency Identification Devices in humans in Florida. In particular, for Seniors with Alzheimer's to store their health records on. Instead of the chip that was about twice the size of a grain of rice, like the one in my dog's neck; they have now shrunk the RFID down to not a whole lot bigger than a grain of salt. I posted the following on another site a couple years ago, so the technology is even more advanced now. I added two links at the bottom very recently, in fact that second to the bottom link was dated 20 Nov. 2013 and has a picture of the world's fastest super computer, which doubled the size and speed of the previous record holder. Those two links show that the world really does computers big enough and fast enough acomodate all the worlds bank accounts, and the fact that RFID readers are already starting to show up in stores, should make us sit up and take notice that the stage is set and the time could be very near.

WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST

The most likely thing the Mark of the Beast could be is a biochip implant, because of the Biblical statement that one will not be able to buy or sell anything without it. They currently have built into them up to a 15 digit ID numbering system. It will not surprise me, (if the Church is still here), when the Antichrist comes to power as the Head of State of the old Roman Empire; that he averts a world wide economic collapse by converting all of the worlds monitary systems and bank accounts to function like credit cards in the form of these implanted biochips. AND watch him add a number to all three hyphenated groups of numbers stored in those Biochip IDs, such as: 123456-123456-123456. Hence his number will be 666 (6 digits dash 6 digits dash 6 digits). Also some of the Techs working on these super computers that they believe we are going to need in the near future, have jokingly referred to their super computers as the "beast"; but I am not laughing.

HERE IS THE RFID MICROCHIP TV ADVERT 100% PROOF IT IS HERE - YouTube

IBM RFID Commercial - The Future Market - YouTube

Hitachi Releases 2.5mm C1G2 Durable RFID Tag: Host Louis Sirico - YouTube

Under Your Skin The War against Freedom – Human Biochip Implant

Microchip Implants

Bio-chip implant arrives for cashless transactions

Tianhe-2 Tops Supercomputer List > ENGINEERING.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GovcXrEVCc

Timeline · Aug 9, 2014

So, no preterist views outside of Nero, got it

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GiS, I don't really know when Nero committed suicide, but I do know that the common dates of 90-100AD is very, very late.

Dan58, I believe it all happened/started in the first century.

VCO, there is nothing in Revelation, imo, that would lead me to think that any of it has anything to do with a computer chip, etc.

Bookends · Aug 9, 2014

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Bookends · Aug 9, 2014

GodIsSalvation said:

The only proof you have supposedly that Revelation was written after the fall of 70AD is an ambiguous statement from Irenaeus.

Kerry · Aug 9, 2014

yeah Christ returned in 70 AD and scattered his people and had Hitler kill 6 million of them don't sound biblical to me.

GodIsSalvation · Aug 9, 2014

Timeline said:

Nero committed suicide in 68 AD. It is generally held that Apostles Peter and Paul were martyred during Nero's reign. It is also known that Apostle John may be the only Apostle that was not martyred, and at the very least he is the Apostle that lived the longest. So we can reasonably assume John did not write Revelation during or about the reign of Nero.

Apostle John was exiled to Patmos for testimony of Jesus. The most major Christian persecution of that time was done under the reign of Domitian. Domitian (brother of Titus, whom destroyed Jerualem), reigned from about 81 AD to 96 AD. It is even alleged by Tertullian that Domitian personally exiled Apostle John after trying to murder John in the Colloseum via boiling him to death, but miraculously John survived making many onlookers convert instantly. Being unable to kill John and because many converted to Christ because of him, Domitian therefore exiled John to Patmos where he presumably stayed until Domitian's death (it is said John himself would die of old age in Ephesus around 98 AD.

Depending how long Apostle John was in exile on Patmos this puts a probable date on the writing of Revelation to about 85-98 AD.

Bookends · Aug 9, 2014

Timeline said:

Nero is a possible fit, but not only once:

1.

2. Revelation 17:10 - The seven kings. If Revelation was written before 70AD, in the mid 60's, then Revelation 17:10 fits as well. Nero is the one that is, and Galba is the one who reigned a short time of 6 to 7 months.

1. Julius Caesar (fallen = dead)
2. Augustus (fallen)
3. Tiberius (fallen)
4. Caligula (fallen)
5. Claudius (fallen)
6. Nero (one that is)
7. Galba (only in power for 6-7 months, a short time)

10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is,and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.

Bookends · Aug 9, 2014

Kerry said:

Perhaps you are assuming Revelation is all about Christ's 2nd coming when we all shall see Him face to face. Perhaps you fail to see how God has come in judgment through-out the whole Bible to render judgment, in which it describe as a "coming". I don't see what Hitler has to do with this topic at all.

Bookends · Aug 9, 2014

Bookends said:

An other reason why Nero could be man in question, when translating Revelation, in the Latin form we find the numbers 616 which also equates to Nero. Wow, what a coincidence! Dr. Gary Demar explains this much better then I can:

A fragment from the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament shows that the number of the Beast of Revelation 13 is 616. Ellen Aitken, a professor of early Christian history at McGill University, states that “the majority opinion seems to be that it refers to [the Roman emperor] Nero.”[1] The early fragment supports the view that Revelation was written prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, and whether the number is 666 or 616, the number is a reference to Nero and not some end-time antichrist figure. Only time will tell how this discovery will affect dispensationalism.
The first readers of Revelation were told to “calculate the number of the Beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six” (13:18). Since Revelation was written to a first-century audience, we should expect the first-century readers to be able to calculate the number with relative ease and understand the result. They would have had few candidates from which to choose. Notice that the number is “six hundred and sixty-six, not three sixes.” Tim LaHaye misidentifies the number when he writes, “The plain sense of Scripture tells us that it comprises the numbers: six, six, six.”[2] The three Greek letters that make up the number represent 600, 60, and 6.
Ancient numbering systems used an alpha-numeric method. This is true of the Latin (Roman) system that is still common today: I=1, V=5, X=10, L=50, C=100, D=500, M=1000. Greek and Hebrew follow a similar method where each letter of their alphabets represents a number. The first nine letters represent 1–9.[3] The tenth letter represents 10, with the nineteenth letter representing 100 and so on. Since the Book of Revelation is written in a Hebrew context by a Jew with numerous allusions to the Old Testament, we should expect the solution to deciphering the meaning of six hundred and sixty-six to be Hebraic. "The reason clearly is that, while [John] writes in Greek, he thinks in Hebrew, and the thought has naturally affected the vehicle of expression."[4]
When Nero Caesar’s name is transliterated into Hebrew, which a first-century Jew would probably have done, he would have gottenNeron Kesar or simply nrwn qsr, since Hebrew has no letters to represent vowels. “It has been documented by archaeological finds that a first century Hebrew spelling of Nero’s name provides us with precisely the value of 666. Jastrow’s lexicon of the Talmud contains this very spelling.”[5] When we take the letters of Nero’s name and spell them in Hebrew, we get the following numeric values: n=50, r=200, w=6, n=50, q=100, s=60, r=200 = 666. “Every Jewish reader, of course, saw that the Beast was a symbol of Nero. And both Jews and Christians regarded Nero as also having close affinities with the serpent or dragon. . . . The Apostle writing as a Hebrew, was evidently thinking as a Hebrew. . . . Accordingly, the Jewish Christian would have tried the name as he thought of the name—that is in Hebrew letters. And the moment that he did this the secret stood revealed. No Jew ever thought of Nero except as ‘Neron Kesar.’”[6]
The fragment supports the reading of some Greek New Testament manuscripts that read 616 instead of 666. Why would someone making a copy of the Revelation scroll make such a number change? “Perhaps the change was intentional, seeing that the Greek form Neron Caesar written in Hebrew characters (nrwn qsr) is equivalent to 666, whereas the Latin form Nero Caesar (nrw qsr) is equivalent to 616.” A Latin copyist might have thought that 666 was an error because Nero Caesar did not add up to 666 when transliterated into Latin. He then changed 666 to 616 to conform to the Latin rendering since it was generally accepted that Nero was the Beast. In either case, a Hebrew transliteration nets 666, while a Latin spelling nets 616. Nero was the “man” and either 666 or 616 was his number.
Endnotes:[1] Quoted in Chris Wattie, “Beast’s real mark devalued to ‘616’: Revelation fragment,” National Postwww.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/toronto/story.html?id=702d14ee-4847-4c3d-90ce-46e933232df0
[2] Tim LaHaye, Revelation Unveiled, rev. ed. (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1999), 226–227.
[3] The Greek letter stigma (ù) is no longer used, but it was the sixth letter in the Greek alphabet when the New Testament was written. The Greek letter iota (3) was the tenth letter. Today, because of the absence of stigma, it is now the ninth letter.
[4] R.H. Charles, A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Revelation of St. John, 2 vols. (New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1920), 1:cxliii.
[5] Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr., The Beast of Revelation, rev. ed. (Powder Springs, GA: American Vision, 2001), chap. 3. Also see Charles, A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Revelation of St. John, 1:367.
[6] Frederic W. Farrar, The Early Days of Christianity (New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1882), 471.
[7] Bruce M. Metzger, A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament (London: United Bible Societies, 1971), 751–52.

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chubbena · Aug 9, 2014

Dan58 said:

Just another interesting tidbit;

From; The companion Bible” (Ethelbert W Bullinger) states:

"It is the number of a name. When the name of the “beast” (anti-christ) is known, it will doubtless be recognized by both computation and gematria. The three letters SSS(=666) formed the symbol of Isis and the secret symbol of the old “Mysteries. That ancient “mysteries” and, modern “beliefs” are becoming closely allied, witness the rapid growth and spread of Spiritism, Theosophy, and Occultism of every kind."

"An evil hoard of Islamic fascists from northern Iraq have captured half of Iraq in less than a week. They call themselves the "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" or ISIS for short.

"ISIS means more than that. In Greek, the name of the Egyptian goddess ISIS is pronounced sss, which is counted numerically as 666. Isis is essentially the same fertility goddess of ancient Babylon, called Ishtar."

"Might ISIS be a code word for something far deeper than an upstart revolutionary group in Iraq? "

Isis = 666

Now, I personally am skeptical of this, but its a wild possibility or theory

Indeed wild. Only in an English speaking world who knows a little bit of Greek

GodIsSalvation · Aug 9, 2014

Bookends said:

Besides the problem that Revelation wasn't even written in Nero's time, there is a major problem with this theory. That is that Galba was not the last Roman Emperor. In fact Galba was one of the Four Emperors during the year of the four emperors. After Galba was killed then came Otho whom reigned for a few short months, followed by Vitellius whom also reigned only a short few months, and then finally dynastic order was briefly restored by Vespasian, whom then died making his son Titus Roman Emperor, whom then died quite mysteriously young in which case his brother Domitian became Emperor until he was assasinated and replaced by Nerva. And so the line of imperial roman usurpation and succession goes on until Alaric the Goth sacks Rome. (Sources: wikipedia for Nerva to Sack of Rome, and chiefly, Lives of the Caesars by Suetonius for details on the Caesars from Julius to Domitian)

The problem with Preterism is that even the Roman Histories by themself refute Preterism's points.

PennEd · Aug 9, 2014

Although by no means certain, it is becoming increasingly clearer that Islam itself, and perhaps the 12th imam is the anti-christ.. Watch this video, it is very interesting, and a view I hadn't heard or thought of before.[video=youtube;Fpl_CwiTL3E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpl_CwiTL3E[/video]

chubbena · Aug 9, 2014

VCO said:

Oh come on, someone is really reviving that OLD Nero Theory again. FORGET looking for secret codes in the Bible, they never were there in the first place.

The answer to the riddle is really very simple in this modern era of computerized scanners.

TECHNOLOGY NEEDED TO FULFILL THE MARK OF THE BEAST

No 666 is not a symbol, it is only a number that identifies a man, IT SAYS SO, read it again.

Revelation 13:16-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

In other words it is similar to our Social Security numbers. Only this one will be three groups of 6 digits. Henry Kissenger invented such a EMERGENCY plan in the late 90s, in case the perceived Y2K world wide banking crash actually happened. Since it is the computer age, it probably will be a number imbedded in a very small microchip or biochip as they want to call those designed for humans. They are already testing the (RFID) Radio Frequency Identification Devices in humans in Florida. In particular, for Seniors with Alzheimer's to store their health records on. Instead of the chip that was about twice the size of a grain of rice, like the one in my dog's neck; they have now shrunk the RFID down to not a whole lot bigger than a grain of salt. I posted the following on another site a couple years ago, so the technology is even more advanced now. I added two links at the bottom very recently, in fact that second to the bottom link was dated 20 Nov. 2013 and has a picture of the world's fastest super computer, which doubled the size and speed of the previous record holder. Those two links show that the world really does computers big enough and fast enough acomodate all the worlds bank accounts, and the fact that RFID readers are already starting to show up in stores, should make us sit up and take notice that the stage is set and the time could be very near.

WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST

The most likely thing the Mark of the Beast could be is a biochip implant, because of the Biblical statement that one will not be able to buy or sell anything without it. They currently have built into them up to a 15 digit ID numbering system. It will not surprise me, (if the Church is still here), when the Antichrist comes to power as the Head of State of the old Roman Empire; that he averts a world wide economic collapse by converting all of the worlds monitary systems and bank accounts to function like credit cards in the form of these implanted biochips. AND watch him add a number to all three hyphenated groups of numbers stored in those Biochip IDs, such as: 123456-123456-123456. Hence his number will be 666 (6 digits dash 6 digits dash 6 digits). Also some of the Techs working on these super computers that they believe we are going to need in the near future, have jokingly referred to their super computers as the "beast"; but I am not laughing.

HERE IS THE RFID MICROCHIP TV ADVERT 100% PROOF IT IS HERE - YouTube

IBM RFID Commercial - The Future Market - YouTube

Hitachi Releases 2.5mm C1G2 Durable RFID Tag: Host Louis Sirico - YouTube

Under Your Skin The War against Freedom – Human Biochip Implant

Microchip Implants

Bio-chip implant arrives for cashless transactions

Tianhe-2 Tops Supercomputer List > ENGINEERING.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GovcXrEVCc

I like not because it's biblical truth but your links to see amazing technologies.
Chances are, you already have one in your body since the last time you visited the doctor's office.

Esanta · Aug 9, 2014

666 is an astrological number, and Revelation's validity is really quite doubtful nowadays.

Agricola · Aug 9, 2014

before the chip everyone was convinced the mark would be tattoo bar codes

After thinking outside the box, I have abandonded all the technology stuff as being "the mark". It makes more sense it is more of a spiritual mark and transformation of our human bodies into angel/demon human hybrid with supernatural change of our DNA.

Want superpowers? Sure follow the Beast and recieve the mark, get super strength! this will be needed by Satan for the battles against angels and Christ. After all he is out numbered 3-1.

Another side of this change will allow the people who have accepted the mark to be more aware of spiritual things and extra dimensions, those with the mark will instantly be able to tell who is a normal human and who is part of the club and it will be illegal to serve anyone who is not part of the club.

TO me this makes more sense than using a man made system of technology.

GodIsSalvation · Aug 9, 2014

Esanta said:

I disagree on both counts. For the first part this is easily refuted since the mark is expressly listed as a number of a man (though this does not necessarily mean the Beast is a man, but only that his mark is "the number of a man".) Plus the whole fact astrology is counted as evil numerous times throughout the Bible pretty much lays that theory to rest.

As for the validity of Revelation, now more than at any time before is Revelation and the other prophecies concerning the End of Days more viable. At the rate society and civilization are degrading, the prophecy can only become more viable until the day the Seals start breaking.

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