What does the Law REALLY say?
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I have never been able to understand how all the new covenant people sure of the love of Christ and whose talk is always filled with how love took over, always also point out their Creator as standing for anything but love, and how when the Christ (separate from His Father) took over from the Father and fulfilled, that fulfillment was getting rid of. Their talk of God the Father is never filled with love, but they say their version of Christ made things better by wiping out the awfulness of what God was. Whenever these people use the word "fulfill" you can be sure it can be substituted by the words "got rid of".
C
just to follow up on this prophecy of Moses...
Rom. 10:5-13
For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them.
But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) “or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
i won't even get into the necessity of grounding Biblical imperatives in Biblical indicatives...
Rom. 10:5-13
For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them.
But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) “or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
i won't even get into the necessity of grounding Biblical imperatives in Biblical indicatives...
For starters, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus, i.e. the Word of God, is Lord, i.e. the One you affirm allegiance to, and believe in your heart that God raised Him, i.e. the Word of God, from the dead, i.e. the ever living Word, you will be saved.
Of course some will not relate the Christ with the Word of God and believe that Paul had given a new meaning to the Word of God.
1There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. (from Rom. 8)
Not positional, not experiential. NO condemnation.
Any condemnation that one feels when one fails is from putting themselves back under law.
Then the Scriptures say this happens:
4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. (from Gal. 5)
Do you think they will finally understand this? I pray with you they do. There is a lot of talk about love and knowing all the law is contained within the parameters of love, but very little understanding, otherwise there would be many more who believe in obeying God's will. He was not kidding when He gave the commandments, neither is Jesus when He told us they are still in effect demonstrating the great difference by His own life and teachings. God bless all who are truly in Jesus Christ and obey Him, amen.
What is the Law of God after the Cross?
Feast and day keeping?
Dietary laws?
Tzitzit wearing?
Niddah sitting?
NO one will give a definitive answer to that question - WHAT exactly are the commandments that God writes on our hearts when we enter into Christ by faith?
Law-centric folks are trying not to say what they really believe - that we as believers required to keep Old Covenant laws.
Just admit it already and stop beating around the bush.
The Law is NOT dead, but we who are in Christ ARE DEAD to the Law!
So why would God write something we are, in Christ, dead to, on our new hearts?
-JGIG
Feast and day keeping?
Dietary laws?
Tzitzit wearing?
Niddah sitting?
NO one will give a definitive answer to that question - WHAT exactly are the commandments that God writes on our hearts when we enter into Christ by faith?
Law-centric folks are trying not to say what they really believe - that we as believers required to keep Old Covenant laws.
Just admit it already and stop beating around the bush.
The Law is NOT dead, but we who are in Christ ARE DEAD to the Law!
So why would God write something we are, in Christ, dead to, on our new hearts?
-JGIG
C
1There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. (from Rom. 8)
Not positional, not experiential. NO condemnation.
Any condemnation that one feels when one fails is from putting themselves back under law.
Then the Scriptures say this happens:
4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. (from Gal. 5)
Oh you do not.
You have posted that 'it depends' for many of the commands, or spiritualized most of them away.
And the Old Covenant doesn't give points for 'trying'. If you disobey in one point, you disobey in all points, bringing curses, not blessings, and certainly not approval from God for 'trying' to obey a law that in Christ you are dead to.
-JGIG
You have posted that 'it depends' for many of the commands, or spiritualized most of them away.
And the Old Covenant doesn't give points for 'trying'. If you disobey in one point, you disobey in all points, bringing curses, not blessings, and certainly not approval from God for 'trying' to obey a law that in Christ you are dead to.
-JGIG
P
I would love to quote the whole letter to the Romans to show you that Paul was in no way speaking against the law like some do here.
For starters, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus, i.e. the Word of God, is Lord, i.e. the One you affirm allegiance to, and believe in your heart that God raised Him, i.e. the Word of God, from the dead, i.e. the ever living Word, you will be saved.
Of course some will not relate the Christ with the Word of God and believe that Paul had given a new meaning to the Word of God.
For starters, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus, i.e. the Word of God, is Lord, i.e. the One you affirm allegiance to, and believe in your heart that God raised Him, i.e. the Word of God, from the dead, i.e. the ever living Word, you will be saved.
Of course some will not relate the Christ with the Word of God and believe that Paul had given a new meaning to the Word of God.
reading what you posted reminded me of the passage in Romans.
i don't think Paul was speaking against the Law...after all, it's not even Paul speaking, right?
we believe it's the Spirit inspired Word of God.
and God would never say His Law, which reflects His holy character, was not good.
but there was something not good, and that was me.
1There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. (from Rom. 8)
Not positional, not experiential. NO condemnation.
Any condemnation that one feels when one fails is from putting themselves back under law.
Then the Scriptures say this happens:
4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. (from Gal. 5)
Not being rude, but will you say that in layman's terms so I can understand
-JGIG
C
Love
If you do, then you do. If you don't, then you don't. But, always do it unto God.
What Paul said, things strangled and from blood.
That nudge from the Spirit reminds us of our obligation to God and others
If a couple wishes to know each other during that time, fine with me. But, it is vulgar in my opinion.
I truly, truly apologize a thousand times, I actually thought I gave a clear answer. The Laws which Love covers and nothing more. I love God and do not wish to offend Him, so I will have no other god or do those things which are evil before Him (what He considers to be harmful). I love my neighbor and do not wish to harm him, so I will not lie about him, I will not steal from him, I will not kill him. I will heed to Wisdom who sets in the marketplace and calls to herself. I will open my ears to her and hear the instructions of a Father. And the Father who would say to Love as I have Loved, even given my Son, seeing that in loving, my will is pleased.
They who are learning the Law, do you not know that the Law has dominion over (rule, is lord over) you as long as you live? Do you not know that they who are by the Law shall be judged by the Law and that they who are judged by the Law will ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL receive a judicial sentence of death. Come now, die to the Law and marry Another whose Law we can fulfill by the simple act of Love, which my dear, is what it was all about in the first place.
So then, we having died to the Law are free from the Law which worked through our flesh to fulfill God's will. Having died, let us therefore marry Another so that through His, we can serve God's Law with the mind. Indeed, those in Christ are dead to that husband and surely our new Husband also seeks to fulfill God's eternal will through Love and not flesh.
We are dead to the Law when it comes to it being that which dictates to us how to be pleasing to God and that is through the flesh.
We are alive to the Lord when it comes to Him being the One who dictates to us how to be pleasing to God and that is through Love.
God's Law: cause no harm (do no evil), do not offend (sin). Love: the Law from Christ.
If you do, then you do. If you don't, then you don't. But, always do it unto God.
What Paul said, things strangled and from blood.
That nudge from the Spirit reminds us of our obligation to God and others
If a couple wishes to know each other during that time, fine with me. But, it is vulgar in my opinion.
I truly, truly apologize a thousand times, I actually thought I gave a clear answer. The Laws which Love covers and nothing more. I love God and do not wish to offend Him, so I will have no other god or do those things which are evil before Him (what He considers to be harmful). I love my neighbor and do not wish to harm him, so I will not lie about him, I will not steal from him, I will not kill him. I will heed to Wisdom who sets in the marketplace and calls to herself. I will open my ears to her and hear the instructions of a Father. And the Father who would say to Love as I have Loved, even given my Son, seeing that in loving, my will is pleased.
They who are learning the Law, do you not know that the Law has dominion over (rule, is lord over) you as long as you live? Do you not know that they who are by the Law shall be judged by the Law and that they who are judged by the Law will ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL receive a judicial sentence of death. Come now, die to the Law and marry Another whose Law we can fulfill by the simple act of Love, which my dear, is what it was all about in the first place.
So then, we having died to the Law are free from the Law which worked through our flesh to fulfill God's will. Having died, let us therefore marry Another so that through His, we can serve God's Law with the mind. Indeed, those in Christ are dead to that husband and surely our new Husband also seeks to fulfill God's eternal will through Love and not flesh.
We are dead to the Law when it comes to it being that which dictates to us how to be pleasing to God and that is through the flesh.
We are alive to the Lord when it comes to Him being the One who dictates to us how to be pleasing to God and that is through Love.
God's Law: cause no harm (do no evil), do not offend (sin). Love: the Law from Christ.
You continue to ignore the state of those in Christ to the Law: They are dead to it. Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness for all who believe.
Jesus preached the Law to those under the Law; His Work fulfills the Law; when we put our faith and trust in the Work of Christ, we die with Him, to the Law, and are raised to New Life in Him. The Law has nothing more to do with us (Gal. 2:19-21).
'Live' according to the Law if you wish (which you really are NOT doing, by any stretch or equivocation), but stop trying to put believers who are dead to the Law back under it. You are out of bounds by doing so and committing the errors that Paul so clearly taught against in his letters.
-JGIG
Jesus preached the Law to those under the Law; His Work fulfills the Law; when we put our faith and trust in the Work of Christ, we die with Him, to the Law, and are raised to New Life in Him. The Law has nothing more to do with us (Gal. 2:19-21).
'Live' according to the Law if you wish (which you really are NOT doing, by any stretch or equivocation), but stop trying to put believers who are dead to the Law back under it. You are out of bounds by doing so and committing the errors that Paul so clearly taught against in his letters.
-JGIG