Jesus turned water into unfermented wine and not fermented wine.

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posthuman

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Saying it doesn't make it so. Show me the context.
"Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine
after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."

you yourself have been arguing the same thing:

#2. Jesus could not have made alcoholic wine because John chapter 2 says, that the people at the wedding were "well drunk" (John 2:10 KJV). This means that they had already had drank a good amount of wine already and would have been either tipsy or close to being tipsy (at the very least).

 
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my Lord said:

Whenever you go into a town and the people welcome you,
eat whatever they serve you

(Luke 10:8)


Oh! Please! If it isn´t Kosher, I don´t want it.

Is it fermented? Oh! No! I don´t do drugs... ;)


 

posthuman

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I do not believe Jesus made the water in to fermented wine for God said in the Old Testament do not look upon the wine when it turns red in the cup which means do not drink the grape juice when it ferments which it was called wine before it fermented.
pretty sure that means don't drink yourself into a stupor so that you find yourself just gazing at the wine in your glass beholding it's beauty with an empty, intoxicated mind.

it will take quite some time for a glass of grape juice to ferment sitting on a table, and before that happens it's going to get covered with a film of mold. so if we're talking about watching freshly squeezed juice turn into wine, it's going to turn brown and green in the cup, not red.


Do not look at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup and goes down smoothly.
(Proverbs 23:31)

moldy juice doesn't sparkle or go down smoothly, let me tell you. chunky, dull-patina and bitter.

 
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"Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine
after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."

you yourself have been arguing the same thing:



No. I have been arguing that "well drunk" cannot be in reference to them being drunk because Jesus is not a drug pusher. Also, no drunkard shall inherit the kingdom of God, too.
 
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No. I have been arguing that "well drunk" cannot be in reference to them being drunk because Jesus is not a drug pusher. Also, no drunkard shall inherit the kingdom of God, too.
In other words, if a person is drunk, they are a drunkard. Just as if someone murders another, they are called a murderer.
 

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No. I have been arguing that "well drunk" cannot be in reference to them being drunk because Jesus is not a drug pusher. Also, no drunkard shall inherit the kingdom of God, too.
maybe you were not being clear...?

#2. Jesus could not have made alcoholic wine because John chapter 2 says, that the people at the wedding were "well drunk" (John 2:10 KJV). This means that they had already had drank a good amount of wine already and would have been either tipsy or close to being tipsy (at the very least).
 
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Sinner! you´re a sinner!

:)
Abstentationists believe it is lawful to drink soberly and in moderation in private, but they warn others against the dangers of alcohol because the Bible warns against it and because people have destroyed their life with it.
 
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maybe you were not being clear...?
You are taking my words out of context which is what I believe you are doing with the Bible, too.

This the full context of what I said,

Jesus could not have made alcoholic wine because John chapter 2 says, that the people at the wedding were "well drunk" (John 2:10 KJV). This means that they had already had drank a good amount of wine already and would have been either tipsy or close to being tipsy (at the very least). Jesus creating more good wine (i.e. good wine supposedly meaning that it was stronger in alcoholic content) would have contributed to the intoxication of those at the wedding party. This means that if they were not sober before, Jesus creating even more stronger alcoholic wine would have definitely made them at least tipsy or with having a mind that was not sober. This is a direct violation of Scripture that commands Christians to be sober (1 Peter 1:13 KJV) (1 Peter 4:7 KJV) (1 Timothy 3:2 KJV) (1 Timothy 3:11 KJV) (Titus 1:8 KJV) (Titus 2:2 KJV) (Titus 2:4 KJV) (Titus 2:6 KJV) (Titus 2:12 KJV) (1 Thessalonians 5:6,*7,*8). For God's Word wants us to be sober minded for our adversary the devil, is a roaring lion, who walks about, seeking those whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8 KJV). So were they sober at the wedding or not?
 
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Abstentationists believe it is lawful to drink soberly and in moderation in private, but they warn others against the dangers of alcohol because the Bible warns against it and because people have destroyed their life with it.
You are right! There´s double "moral" in several things but I never have problems with alcohol and not other drug.

What about those others things people should be abstained? (that list is long, isn´t it?) but you limited this to your own views, sir.

Hope you don´t need to mention them. Will you?
 
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You are right! There´s double "moral" in several things but I never have problems with alcohol and not other drug.

What about those others things people should be abstained? (that list is long, isn´t it?) but you limited this to your own views, sir.

Hope you don´t need to mention them. Will you?
No. The Bible says that we are to be sober minded. It also warns against the dangers of alcohol. It says we are not do anything to make our brother to stumble, too. More people struggle with alcoholism than ever. Your lack of regard for them is unloving or anti-Christian.
 
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Uffff!

Is it an add to sell it out?

:p
*yeah, it's the new wine Jesus was talking about, the best from the rest, made by him, so get drunk ya'll spiritual new life, it's not an advertisement lol
I'm done here.