Did God Tell Hosea to Marry a Prostitute?

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​Is this a party because I'm laughing reading this. But o.k. lollllllllll
 
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Jason0047 said:
In other words, I don't want you to take my word for it. I want you to pray to God and ask Him to show you the truth on this matter and compare Scripture with Scripture and seek out what other well seasoned believers have said on this topic.
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This is the red pill option.
 
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posthuman said:

what i can perceive of you doing is being offended by the idea of harlotry, which is good of you, but so offended that you blind yourself to the plain speech of the scripture in order to make God conform to your own sense of good and evil, which is not good.

the reason that your lexicons mention that prostitution sometimes means idolatry is because the prophets used this as a metaphor for Israel's pantheism. what we read in Hosea is not a metaphor of what actually occurred - it is the corporeal actions of the prophet that provide a sign and metaphor for the people. try replacing "prostitute" with "idolater" through the whole scripture and see where that gets you. no? only do it when it offends your sensibilities? my friend, we must let the Word instruct us; we do not instruct the Word.

how do you reconcile this, my friend? if Hosea could not have married an actual harlot because that is against the code of the law, how could he marry an idolater since that is also against the code of the law (Deut. 17) ?

however you understand this prophecy, God bade His prophet to do a shocking thing -- as Israel herself had done!

Has a nation ever changed its gods? (Yet they are not gods at all.)
But my people have exchanged their glorious God for worthless idols.
(Jeremiah 2:11)

shocking! but true.
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No. Your not actually reading the passage and thinking about it. If Gomer was a wife of prostitution then the passage is also saying that the children prostitutes, too. Read the passage again.
 
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**starts thread declaring that Samson did not effectually commit suicide because suicide is obviously bad therefore Judges 16:23-31 must be poorly translated**
 
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jkalyna said:
​Is this a party because I'm laughing reading this. But o.k. lollllllllll
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God's Word is nothing to be laughed at. This is a serious matter and an issue of morality. It is an issue of questioning the good character of our God.

2 Chronicles 36:16
"But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy."
 
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Jason0047 said:
No. Your not actually reading the passage and thinking about it. If Gomer was a wife of prostitution then the passage is also saying that the children prostitutes, too. Read the passage again.
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when i read this:

A word of Jehovah that hath been unto Hosea, son of Beeri, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, Hezekiah, kings of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam son of Joash, king of Israel:
The commencement of Jehovah's speaking by Hosea. And Jehovah saith unto Hosea, `Go, take to thee a woman of whoredoms, and children of whoredoms, for utterly go a-whoring doth the land from after Jehovah.'
(Hosea 1:1-2)

i understand it to mean that the Lord told Hosea to take a whore for a wife, and to also take her existing children into His household.

when i read this:

I have been inquired of by those who asked not,
I have been found by those who sought Me not, I have said,
'Behold Me, behold Me,' Unto a nation not calling in My name.
(Isaiah 65:1)

i understand that God has also taken out of us whoring Gentiles a people unto Himself.
& i confess my sin before Him, that i too am a man of unclean lips, hands and feet, who did not know how to seek God, but ran from Him, but He called to me, and put me in the hollow of His hand, against all logic, all reason, all justice -- for His mercy and His love are very great, greater than i can comprehend!!!
 
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posthuman said:
when i read this:

A word of Jehovah that hath been unto Hosea, son of Beeri, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, Hezekiah, kings of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam son of Joash, king of Israel:
The commencement of Jehovah's speaking by Hosea. And Jehovah saith unto Hosea, `Go, take to thee a woman of whoredoms, and children of whoredoms, for utterly go a-whoring doth the land from after Jehovah.'
(Hosea 1:1-2)

i understand it to mean that the Lord told Hosea to take a whore for a wife, and to also take her existing children into His household.

when i read this:

I have been inquired of by those who asked not,
I have been found by those who sought Me not, I have said,
'Behold Me, behold Me,' Unto a nation not calling in My name.
(Isaiah 65:1)

i understand that God has also taken out of us whoring Gentiles a people unto Himself.
& i confess my sin before Him, that i too am a man of unclean lips, hands and feet, who did not know how to seek God, but ran from Him, but He called to me, and put me in the hollow of His hand, against all logic, all reason, all justice -- for His mercy and His love are very great, greater than i can comprehend!!!
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It says a children of whoredom. Are the children prostitutes, too? You can't have one with out the other. If you believe she was a prostitute, then you have to believe the children were, as well (Based on the language of the text).
 
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Jason0047 said:
God's Word is nothing to be laughed at. This is a serious matter and an issue of morality. It is an issue of questioning the good character of our God.

2 Chronicles 36:16
"But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy."
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*your a big judge at things, but lack a sense of wisdom in many things, this was posted here by mistake, it was meant for the wine thread, but your very quick to judge. Not only that but I'm not a guy to talk to like that, your rude. dude... very rude...
 
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Jason0047 said:
In other words, I don't want you to take my word for it. I want you to pray to God and ask Him to show you the truth on this matter and compare Scripture with Scripture and seek out what other well seasoned believers have said on this topic.
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Standard patronising response by a cult member. I detest this form of moral and holier than thou superiority, which is always then backed up with the get out clause that the person asking or whatever has not asked right or is not ready spiritually, how convenient.

This is how it rolls folks, run away from people who say the following things, they are not good to be around or learn from.

"I am right, you should pray and ask God becuase you do not think I am right, but I know I am and GOd will show you that I am right and show you things that you do not know of. However after praying, if you still not convinced that means you are not spiritually ready to accept the truth and God still needs you to drink milk and not eat solids yet, God will show you when you are ready."
 
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Jason0047 said:
It says a children of whoredom. Are the children prostitutes, too? You can't have one with out the other. If you believe she was a prostitute, then you have to believe the children were, as well (Based on the language of the text).
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what do you call children born to a whore from an extra-marital concupiscence?

personally, i think "children of whoredom" is an adequate description.
 
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Jason0047 said:
It says a children of whoredom. Are the children prostitutes, too? You can't have one with out the other. If you believe she was a prostitute, then you have to believe the children were, as well (Based on the language of the text).
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Seriously Jason you need to learn grammar and learn how to understand to read properly.

he beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms [SUP]H2183[/SUP] and children of whoredoms: [SUP]H2183[/SUP] for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.

2183 Outline of Biblical Usage


  1. adultery, fornication, prostitution

    We could percieve the woman to be a prostitute but also she could just be an adulterer, the same word can be used for 3 meanings, so what if the meaning for the children adulterer. On a darker side, the children could also be used as prostitutes, sex with children is nothing new and always taboo, but we only see today how rife it is in our world, nothing changes.

    Here is the complete verse break down in Hebrew.


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    [TD="colspan: 2"]English (KJV) [?][/TD]
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    [TD]The beginning
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    [/TD]
    [TD]h8462
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    [TD]תְּחִלָּה tĕchillah
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    [TD]

    [/TD]
    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]of the word
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    [TD]h1696
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    [TD]דָּבַר dabar
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    [TD]

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]of the LORD
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    [TD]

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    [TD]h3068
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    [TD]יְהֹוָה Yĕhovah
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    [TD]

    [/TD]
    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]by Hosea.
    [/TD]
    [TD]

    [/TD]
    [TD]h1954
    [/TD]
    [TD]הוֹשֵׁעַ Howshea`
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    [/TD]
    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]And the LORD
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    [TD]

    [/TD]
    [TD]h3068
    [/TD]
    [TD]יְהֹוָה Yĕhovah
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    [/TD]
    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]said
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    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [TD]h559
    [/TD]
    [TD]אָמַר 'amar
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    [/TD]
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    [TD]to Hosea,
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    [TD]h1954
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    [TD]הוֹשֵׁעַ Howshea`
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    [/TD]
    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Go,
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    [TD]h3212
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    [TD]יָלַךְ yalak
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    [TD]take
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    [TD]h3947
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    [TD]לָקַח laqach
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    [TD]unto thee a wife
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    [TD]h802
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    [TD]אִשָּׁה 'ishshah
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    [TD]of whoredoms
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    [TD]h2183
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    [TD]זְנוּנִים zanuwn
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    [TD]and children
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    [TD]h3206
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    [TD]יֶלֶד yeled
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    [TD]of whoredoms:
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    [TD]h2183
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    [TD]זְנוּנִים zanuwn
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    [TD]for the land
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    [TD]h776
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    [TD]אֶרֶץ 'erets
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    [TD]
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    [TD]hath committed great
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    [TD]h2181
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    [TD]זָנָה zanah
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    [TD]whoredom,
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    [TD]h2181
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    [TD]זָנָה zanah
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    [TD]departing from
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    [TD]h310
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    [TD]אַחַר 'achar
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    [TD]the LORD.
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    [TD]h3068
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    [TD]יְהֹוָה Yĕhovah
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    [/TR]
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Agricola said:
Standard patronising response by a cult member. I detest this form of moral and holier than thou superiority, which is always then backed up with the get out clause that the person asking or whatever has not asked right or is not ready spiritually, how convenient.

This is how it rolls folks, run away from people who say the following things, they are not good to be around or learn from.

"I am right, you should pray and ask God becuase you do not think I am right, but I know I am and GOd will show you that I am right and show you things that you do not know of. However after praying, if you still not convinced that means you are not spiritually ready to accept the truth and God still needs you to drink milk and not eat solids yet, God will show you when you are ready."
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*to come to cc and learn is one thing, I see he's only been here a month, I've been here almost 3 years, and have learned a whole lot, lesson lol. ditch the pride, pointing fingers at everyone, is like the plank in your own eye, looking at the mote at others. Jesus said, remove your own planks first, then you will see clearly, instead of doing what your doing, and being quick to judge other's. You don't know me and quoted a scripture that I was mocking, you have no spiritual discernment at all. I'll pray that you get the Joy of the Lord, you seem in a very dry place. But you are forgiven.
 
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To the original post:
I honestly don't see any difference between a whore committing sexual acts and a whore committing idolatry.

I realized this conversation is way beyond the original discussion, but I thought I would lend my only 2 cents. I would like it back eventually. THX
 
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Agricola said:
Standard patronising response by a cult member. I detest this form of moral and holier than thou superiority, which is always then backed up with the get out clause that the person asking or whatever has not asked right or is not ready spiritually, how convenient.

This is how it rolls folks, run away from people who say the following things, they are not good to be around or learn from.

"I am right, you should pray and ask God becuase you do not think I am right, but I know I am and GOd will show you that I am right and show you things that you do not know of. However after praying, if you still not convinced that means you are not spiritually ready to accept the truth and God still needs you to drink milk and not eat solids yet, God will show you when you are ready."
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What I just posted wasnt against you, it was for Jason,
 
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Hmm interesting...
1Co 7:14
14 For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
(ESV)
 
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The marriage of Hosea with a prostitute is symbolical; it is a metaphor for the infidelity of Israel towards God...
 
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To the OP yes, because God married the prostitute called Israel.
 
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