1st Thess 4
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
I have been praying about this and asking the Lord to please show me the truth. I have found out..
1 Thes 4 and Mat 24 are two separate events... Yes, but....
They go hand and hand.. The Lord Himself... WILL meet us in the clouds.... How do we get to the clouds?
Mat 24 says the angels will gather us... The angels will gather us into the clouds... And than we will be with Yeshua for eternity from then on...
Mat 24 also says.. This happens after the great tribulation.....Immediately after...So if 1 Thes 4 is an event that takes place BEFORE mat 24.. Then my question is... How do we get to the clouds?...
I have come to believe that it all takes place after the tribulation.......I could be wrong.. Again.. But I feel this is what is taught in the Scripture...
I can imagine how many pre-tribbers will walk away from their faith after this if it's true..... Once I believed pre-trib was a lie.. I felt so deceived and so hurt... I had believed this my whole walk with Yeshua... So it took a little while for the pain to go.. But we have to dig deep to find the truth and yes sometimes the truth does hurt...
Hebrews 4:12 makes that clear......Piercing between the soul and spirit.....
So, I have found out I was wrong.. I deeply apologize... I was arguing out of ignorance... I really did believe that.. I truly did... I was so deceived... I am sorry to anyone I argued with over it... Watchmen and Snail specifically ...
I am still learning... So hopefully I can continue to grow and learn in grace and truth as the truth and love was in Yeshua..
I believe Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego is a perfect example....(they symbolize Christians who are alive during the great tribulation).. They refused to bow down to the idol... (Like taking the mark of the beast)...They were persecuted afterwards... But who was there with them
keeping them from the tribulation?... Yeshua showed up and was with them...
Rev 12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.
I could be wrong again.. I don't know.. I am still searching for the truth.. I feel the need to apologize though..