If you keep Lev 15:22, how do you go about doing it?

[RedTent]

Where is what you are referring to called a "great mystery?"

You didn't even read Eph, did you?

You don't know the NT very well, do you?

As you have often told us about, your entire view of all scripture, from Genesis to Rev. is fueled by a misinterpretation of, especially, Paul as they wrote God's breath to a world that was steeped in Torah but had never understood anything about the new (to them) Christ. You know little about Torah but in the culture you were raised in, Christ is old and Torah is new. So, as you constantly state, you know all about using Christ but read scriptures about using Christ as only just don't listen to Torah when that is certainly not what scripture says.

You know all about the word "obsolete". You know thoroughly the book of Hebrews speaking to those who would use only Torah to worship God and leaving out Christ, of using Christ as the High Priest instead of the Levi priesthood. But you are reading it as a person who knows absolutely nothing about using Levi as the priesthood so all your mind absorbs of it is the spirit of negativity. You can't see the Christ it is telling to use, you see only the orders to not use something, and you make those orders into orders not to know anything about what the book of Hebrews depends on you knowing too well and depending on instead of depending on Christ.

Of course, you see people who study the bible as never reading the parts of the bible you do read and believe in! You are sure the bible only tells you what not to study or believe in, and that is not what scripture is telling you at all. You have as great a need of scripture as the Hebrews that the book of Hebrews is speaking to needed scripture. They needed to include Christ when they only had Torah, you need to include the knowledge of Torah to read the book of Hebrews. You are in as great a need as the people the book of Hebrews was written to.

Your entire view of God is wrapped around the words of obsolete, saying all scripture is written to say this has been completed when scripture doesn't say that, around the word fulfilled as a word meaning that when something has reached perfection, anything it was before must be gotten rid of. You have as distorted a view of scripture today as the people who read scripture without knowing and accepting all Christ is had because they had never heard of Christ before and didn't trust who Christ was.

 

[Dan_473]

You're right, it's much easier in a marriage. But in public, you can't tell without looking like a sick pervert. "Excuse me m'am, are you in your period right now?" That's something I can't control and so I don't worry about it honestly. Because when you think about it, Israel didn't have public chairs or transit, etc.


In general, I try to wash regularly whenever I've been out in public, regardless of whether it's for bleeding issues.

And if I were live in a society that rarely washed clothes or bathed?

I think I'd find a different society.

Yes, very hard to do in most places of the world... Well, wouldn't it makes sense to move to a community that followed the rule physically? So, I don't mean this to sound like a criticism... But why not find a community that lives that way... If none exists, start one... If no one wants to join you, to me that would be a sign that the spirit doesn't think it's a good idea... The part I don't get, and I want to say this gently, is believing God wants this law kept physically today, then only making a minor effort to keep it...

 

[Dan_473]

As an aside, the thought of a community of women all going through their monthly periods at the same scares me to no end!

Wouldn't that be what this rule would lead to, though? Is that what observant Jewish communities experience? Now again, gentleness here is my goal, but it sounds to me like you're making light of the law... To me, that would be the worst of both possible worlds... To believe that God wants this law kept physically, then treat it as something humorous...

 

[KohenMatt]

Yes, very hard to do in most places of the world... Well, wouldn't it makes sense to move to a community that followed the rule physically? So, I don't mean this to sound like a criticism... But why not find a community that lives that way... If none exists, start one... If no one wants to join you, to me that would be a sign that the spirit doesn't think it's a good idea... The part I don't get, and I want to say this gently, is believing God wants this law kept physically today, then only making a minor effort to keep it...

There are groups that have created communities where this is a priority, but I've found them to be much more legalistic and focused on the specific instructions so much that they forsake fellowship. Between the 2 stances, I believe God cares more about fellowship than potentially coming in contact with the blood.

And as someone mentioned earlier, with hygiene products, etc. coming in contact with the blood isn't as much of an issue. Regardless, even if you were to be made "unclean", God doesn't consider that as something worthy of punishment. By the end of the day, you're clean again.

The reason why I balk at the legalistic approach to this is that you should never come in contact with anyone because they might be "unclean". When you look at everything in the OT that would qualify as "unclean", you would be constantly "unclean" all day.

That's not God's heart at all.

 

[KohenMatt]

Wouldn't that be what this rule would lead to, though? Is that what observant Jewish communities experience? Now again, gentleness here is my goal, but it sounds to me like you're making light of the law... To me, that would be the worst of both possible worlds... To believe that God wants this law kept physically, then treat it as something humorous...

I don't make light of it (because personally, I'd prefer not to come in contact with it at all). But with multiple layers of clothing protecting the outside world from the blood, it's a different situation today, and I one I think protects from being "unclean".

 

[KohenMatt]

We've been over this before. The Law, as it is written, does not allow for trying. You either obey them all, perfectly, or you obey none of it - ACCORDING TO THE LAW ITSELF.

-JGIG

Where in the Law?

 

[Dan_473]

As another aside, you might be interested to know that women living together under one roof in a community causes their menstrual cycles to sinc together.

I've heard that, too... I think that would tend to happen in an observant community... Could be a real positive... Could be very beneficial to women...

 

[Elin]

While we've been over this before....

just because I can't do them all perfectly doesn't mean I should try to obey them anyway. But as always, if I'm doing them to earn salvation or right standing before God, you're right. I'd better do it all.

Fortunately, that's not the standard set by God when He gave the Law, nor is it a standard held by me.

Are you saying I changed your meaning?

Absolutely you are.
By highlighting words I don't

Highlighting words doesn't change the meaning of the words.

It only emphasizes their import.

and omitting the "if" statement preceding it,

No statement was omitted, that is a repost of your own post.

you completely change the meaning. I dont believe I better do it all. The only way I would have to do it all is if I were trusting in it for my salvation, which I am not.
Fortunately God never set the law up so that you had to do it all in order to be saved.
Apparently, that is something you want it to say

This is the third time now that we have gone around this bush.

That is precisely how God did set up the law.

This is the only point of your post that I am addressing.

Evidently, you don't know Gal 3:10 or Dt 27:26 which state just that.

You have a hard time with text, don't you?
It's like pulling hen's teeth with you.

 

[Elin]

As you have often told us about, your entire view of all scripture, from Genesis to Rev. is fueled by a misinterpretation of, especially, Paul as they wrote God's breath to a world that was steeped in Torah but had never understood anything about the new (to them) Christ. You know little about Torah but in the culture you were raised in, Christ is old and Torah is new. So, as you constantly state, you know all about using Christ but read scriptures about using Christ as only just don't listen to Torah when that is certainly not what scripture says.

You know all about the word "obsolete". You know thoroughly the book of Hebrews speaking to those who would use only Torah to worship God and leaving out Christ, of using Christ as the High Priest instead of the Levi priesthood. But you are reading it as a person who knows absolutely nothing about using Levi as the priesthood so all your mind absorbs of it is the spirit of negativity. You can't see the Christ it is telling to use, you see only the orders to not use something, and you make those orders into orders not to know anything about what the book of Hebrews depends on you knowing too well and depending on instead of depending on Christ.

Of course, you see people who study the bible as never reading the parts of the bible you do read and believe in! You are sure the bible only tells you what not to study or believe in, and that is not what scripture is telling you at all. You have as great a need of scripture as the Hebrews that the book of Hebrews is speaking to needed scripture. They needed to include Christ when they only had Torah, you need to include the knowledge of Torah to read the book of Hebrews. You are in as great a need as the people the book of Hebrews was written to.

Your entire view of God is wrapped around the words of obsolete, saying all scripture is written to say this has been completed when scripture doesn't say that, around the word fulfilled as a word meaning that when something has reached perfection, anything it was before must be gotten rid of. You have as distorted a view of scripture today as the people who read scripture without knowing and accepting all Christ is had because they had never heard of Christ before and didn't trust who Christ was.

You have me confused with someone else.

 

[Dan_473]

There are groups that have created communities where this is a priority, but I've found them to be much more legalistic and focused on the specific instructions so much that they forsake fellowship. Between the 2 stances, I believe God cares more about fellowship than potentially coming in contact with the blood.

And as someone mentioned earlier, with hygiene products, etc. coming in contact with the blood isn't as much of an issue. Regardless, even if you were to be made "unclean", God doesn't consider that as something worthy of punishment. By the end of the day, you're clean again.

The reason why I balk at the legalistic approach to this is that you should never come in contact with anyone because they might be "unclean". When you look at everything in the OT that would qualify as "unclean", you would be constantly "unclean" all day.

That's not God's heart at all.

Well, again, gentleness is my goal here... If you can't find any communities that both observe this rule and behave in an essentially Christian manner, do you see that as a clue? What happens when a Christian group attempts to follow this law carefully? Great discussion, btw

 

[RedTent]

Evidently, you don't know Gal 3:10 or Dt 27:26 which state just that.

You have a hard time with text, don't you?
It's like pulling hen's teeth with you.

So, everyone is black but you!! You misread all text so that it only corresponds with the words "obsolete" and read "fulfill" as the word destroy, making every other truth the bible tells fit your distorted idea of scripture, and THEN using this distortion to judge every other Christian. THEN!! you have the nerve to say that someone besides YOU cannot read scripture!! Elin, there are many scripture you CAN read, especially in the four gospels. Do read them.

 

[Elin]

So, everyone is black but you!! You misread all text so that it only corresponds with the words "obsolete" and read "fulfill" as the word destroy, making every other truth the bible tells fit your distorted idea of scripture, and THEN using this distortion to judge every other Christian. THEN!! you have the nerve to say that someone besides YOU cannot read scripture!! Elin, there are many scripture you CAN read, especially in the four gospels. Do read them.

You have me confused with someone else.

 

[Dan_473]

I don't make light of it (because personally, I'd prefer not to come in contact with it at all). But with multiple layers of clothing protecting the outside world from the blood, it's a different situation today, and I one I think protects from being "unclean".

It was the rule it sounded to me like you were making light of... If you touch her chair, you're unclean... I don't see that blood enters into it in that part... So, is a thong and pair of shorts enough? Bikini bottoms at the beach?

 

[Elin]

CORRECTION:

Heb 8:6-8, 13:

"But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant
of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and is founded on better promises.
For if there had been nothing wrong with the first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. . .
But God found fault with the people and said; 'The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make
a new covenant. . .'
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete. . ."

I erred when I stated the word "covenant" was not added by the KJV.

The second use of "covenant" is not in the Greek text.

However, as is evident, its addition by the KJV alters absolutely in no way the meaning of the text.

So its addition by the KJV is a red herring in this particular discussion.

 

[JaumeJ]

Pajul does not teach the law is faded if this is what is being said about the covenants. If this this is not what is being said, please ignore this post, if you are able.

From Paul's teachings about faith in Jesus Christ the law is established. Now what has been established by God is not abolished. It is to be observed, albeit no longer with the curse of the law, death, for the curse of the law was crucified with Jesus Christ. Now we live in freedom from the guilt of the law by grace given by the Blood of God's most predious Lamb, amen.

Rom 3:31
(ASV)
Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.
(CEV)
Do we destroy the Law by our faith? Not at all! We make it even more powerful.
(Darby)
Do we then make void law by faith? Far be the thought: no, but we establish law.
　
(DRB)
Do we then, destroy the law through faith? God forbid! But we establish the law.
(FDB)
Annulons-nous donc la loi par la foi? Qu'ainsi n'advienne! au contraire, nous établissons la loi.
(FLS)
Anéantissons-nous donc la loi par la foi? Loin de là! Au contraire, nous confirmons la loi.

 

[Elin]

Pajul does not teach the law is faded if this is what is being said about the covenants.

Rom 3:31
(ASV) we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.
(CEV)
Do we destroy the Law by our faith? Not at all! We make it even more powerful.
(Darby)
Do we then make void law by faith? Far be the thought: no, but we establish law.
　
(DRB)
Do we then, destroy the law through faith? God forbid! But we establish the law.
(FDB)
Annulons-nous donc la loi par la foi? Qu'ainsi n'advienne! au contraire, nous établissons la loi.
(FLS)
Anéantissons-nous donc la loi par la foi? Loin de là! Au contraire, nous confirmons la

Yes, Paul established the law on its right basis, subordinate to the covenant of grace.

Accordingly, the old covenant based on the law is likewise subordinate to the new covenant of grace,
which Hebrews tells us makes it obsolete (Heb 8:13).

(I don't think Paul is the writer of Hebrews, I think Apollo was.
The writing is not Paul's style.)

 

[KohenMatt]

Well, again, gentleness is my goal here... If you can't find any communities that both observe this rule and behave in an essentially Christian manner, do you see that as a clue? What happens when a Christian group attempts to follow this law carefully? Great discussion, btw

I suppose you could look for or start a community that focuses on this, but I think it would spend too much time on this one principle and forgoe a fellowship of Believers. But the awesome thing about the Body of Messiah is that ultimately, Jesus is our cleansing, and makes us white as snow, so we don't have to get so caught up in this 1 principle at the expense of others. Ultimately, He cleanses us. But that still doesn't negate the wisdom and application of the command itself.

All in its proper balance.

 

[Dan_473]

As another aside, you might be interested to know that women living together under one roof in a community causes their menstrual cycles to sinc together.

I'm really loving studying and thinking about this law... if you feel the law should be kept physically... what a benefit for the women in the community... to be able to say... here I am with my gal pals... we're all cycling together... not even a shade of embarrassment... no need to worry about what chair to sit on... and look! here's an eleven year old first timer... throw her a party, and pass the chocolate!

 

[KohenMatt]

I'm really loving studying and thinking about this law... if you feel the law should be kept physically... what a benefit for the women in the community... to be able to say... here I am with my gal pals... we're all cycling together... not even a shade of embarrassment... no need to worry about what chair to sit on... and look! here's an eleven year old first timer... throw her a party, and pass the chocolate!

I don't know where to laugh at the thought of this,

or run.

 

[Elin]

I'm really loving studying and thinking about this law... if you feel the law should be kept physically... what a benefit for the women in the community... to be able to say... here I am with my gal pals... we're all cycling together... not even a shade of embarrassment... no need to worry about what chair to sit on... and look! here's an eleven year old first timer... throw her a party, and pass the chocolate!

I can't breathe! . .