men and sexual sin

[MadParrotWoman]

You don't really upset me. But I must confront you on your ignorance regarding this issue making MEN solely the perpetrators in such crimes. You should look up the word "misandry" and the potential for you having become very brainwashed by an uber feminist culture right now that is hell bent on making men the entire bane of existence. Please be careful as to not become a sheeple, merely following the herd, who repeat only what some angry woman says to you.

You are highly unaware as to the amount of crimes committed by women, particularly teachers in public school systems, who have been convicted of sexual crimes towards their male students. I think you should start your research now.

You are also highly unaware as to the true percentages of domestic violence actually started by women.

You are also highly unaware as to the murder rates of children who are murdered by their own mothers.

I will not so much mind starting to post these resources, if you can, in fact, handle the truth. But I think it would be best if you did it.

Since you seem to be from the UK, which is HIGHLY influenced by uber feminism, you might want to look up a name of a woman called Erin Pizzey. Start there, read the articles, and begin your research. It will probably take you a very long time to get rid of your male hatred bias, but keep researching. You just might come around. You have been very misinformed.

Ask yourself this one question right now.... Why is "50 Shades Of Grey" the biggest selling book currently around the world? (supposedly passing even the Harry Potter books) MEN are NOT the ones buying this book..... it's the women. And they have become highly aroused by it. Be careful where you go here.

I'm not suggesting at all that men do NOT do such things you mention. Of course they have and do. I'm merely suggesting that you are living a very delusional mindset. You are convinced that "girls are ONLY sugar and spice and everything nice" while men are the sole problem. Come back after you've done your research....

Some women have a right to be fearful of men if they have been treated badly or abused by them.

I agree that women can be equally bad though it is not as commonplace and sometimes it is done to impress the man (research Myra Hindley, Ian Brady) and often it is due to mental illness but It is becoming more common as the world is losing sight of God, the unsaved are totally unaware that by losing sight of Him they inadvertently serve a different "god" and these crimes are on the increase.
Regarding feminism in the UK, I think it is perfectly right and proper for women to be treated equal to men - incidentally there is still a long way to go before that becomes a reality here but as the Bible seems to point out we were born to different roles, of equal importance and I believe that over the years women's roles have been played down. In my own opinion women are behaving less like ladies and men less like gentlemen in the UK and a large part of that is due to our binge drinking culture where pretty much anything goes. I don't want to be part of that and never have.

 

[Gandalf]

i hope i dont upset anyone with this post but its something i really feel i need to get some feed bk on.

men... why does sexual sin happen, in that its in the news alot lately, on men raping under age girls, killing little girls or abducting them. catholics with the rape of young boys. i just dont understand how on earth men get it in there head that these things are ok. why SOME men feel its ok to over power everyone in frount of them to degrate and make the victim feel degrading and mentaly scared for the rest of there lives, while they walk around thinking its a normal thing.

is it because young men arnt told to respect other people now, or is it a fact of life.
is there anything in the bible to why?
what can we do about it?

God bless x

The Bible warns us that in the days before Yeshua returns it will be like in the days of Noah. If you read the scriptures you will see that corruption, fornication, sexual immorality are the sins that were rife in the days of Noah.

It is a sign of the times we are living in…

 

[Beckster]

In this generation, most men do not grow up with fathers who they can look up into or be guided and taught how to respect, treasure, and honor a woman.
Now, both parents have to work full-time just to make a living, so the kids are not really given intimate time with their parents who provide discipline and such.
It also depends on the environment. There are countries/places where the women are valued as cattle. They are there only for a man's pleasure. This is sadly drilled into their heads when they are young boys.
The fact that the media exploits sex and makes it so cheap also doesn't help.

All in all, I know it is awful as I myself have been on the end receiving of a man's hand, but this world is really broken and though men should be standing up and all, don't judge them all harshly. God will hold those accountable. Pray for the young men of this generation. I lay my hands to my abdomen and bless all my future children and proclaim them to be followers of God; that my sons will be protectors and that my daughters will guard their hearts and lead good morals and give something precious for the men to protect.

 

[jer2911]

Personally I think this particular passage is referring specifically to men because it goes on to mention women deliberately setting out to ensnare men.

Yes, I agree. But you know the guys, they don't want women to be excluded. For fairness sake! If not, that would make a parrotman madder. lol

 

[jennyll]

Thanks everybody for this discussion, I'm in a bad (sinful) relationship myself at the moment and it's been really enlightening to read all your comments. Thank you! Jenny x

 

[Esanta]

i hope i dont upset anyone with this post but its something i really feel i need to get some feed bk on.

men... why does sexual sin happen, in that its in the news alot lately, on men raping under age girls, killing little girls or abducting them. catholics with the rape of young boys. i just dont understand how on earth men get it in there head that these things are ok. why SOME men feel its ok to over power everyone in frount of them to degrate and make the victim feel degrading and mentaly scared for the rest of there lives, while they walk around thinking its a normal thing.

is it because young men arnt told to respect other people now, or is it a fact of life.
is there anything in the bible to why?
what can we do about it?

God bless x

It's a problem for both genders, not just men. Where women cannot abuse men sexually (obviously a woman raping a man would be very difficult, mechanically) they tend to abuse emotionally and mentally. Sexual abuse is physical and much more obviously abuse than emotional or verbal abuse, but no less damaging.

I think the more apt question to ask is why do people seem to want to hurt others at all?

The answer in abuse cases is almost aways to do with power, and the perceived lack of power in the abuser's mind. Almost every instance of abuse I have ever come across has a central power element to it. People can't stand to be without any power; emotionally, physically or mentally. So they think that taking power over others by force, either emotionally, mentally or physically will solve their insecurities. But it doesn't.

Taking power by force doesn't make them feel any less insecure, because the source of their insecurity isn't a lack of power, it's a lack of contentment, mostly with themselves. Many abusers were mistreated and unloved as children, and they continue the cycle by being unloving to others; by hurting them, taking away their power.

It never fixes them, of course, it just creates more people who feel powerless. And where more people feel powerless, and where populations get exponentially larger, more abuse comes to light. And our answer is usually to strip people of power and put them in prisons where they'll get raped and killed.

What a world, eh?

 

[MrMyagi]

Some women have a right to be fearful of men if they have been treated badly or abused by them.

I agree that women can be equally bad though it is not as commonplace and sometimes it is done to impress the man (research Myra Hindley, Ian Brady) and often it is due to mental illness but It is becoming more common as the world is losing sight of God, the unsaved are totally unaware that by losing sight of Him they inadvertently serve a different "god" and these crimes are on the increase.
Regarding feminism in the UK, I think it is perfectly right and proper for women to be treated equal to men - incidentally there is still a long way to go before that becomes a reality here but as the Bible seems to point out we were born to different roles, of equal importance and I believe that over the years women's roles have been played down. In my own opinion women are behaving less like ladies and men less like gentlemen in the UK and a large part of that is due to our binge drinking culture where pretty much anything goes. I don't want to be part of that and never have.

As I said in the post you quoted, I distinctly stated that men have done these certain things to women. And to be honest, I actually agree with most everything you stated. Yes, we live in a world that is promoting many things that are against God's word. The whole point I was making was, in the interest of supposed "equality" amongst the sexes, you can't have true equality unless you have true culpability and accountability. So I want to address that while your post rings true in some regards, you must NOT simply state that women simply perform their actions because "sometimes it is done to impress the man". To do this would be to ignore what happened in the Garden of Eden itself. If we are going to address certain issues regarding the true equality of the sexes, then women have to become 'accountable' for their own humanly desires as well.

I have NO problem with equality of the sexes. I am married. My wife is a true Proverbs 31 woman. And because of that, I devote my life to being a true Ephesians 5 man for her. My wife is TRULY my equal. And in many regards, surpasses me in talents and abilities. That being said, she recognizes my talents and abilities as well. We defer to each other at all times in accordance to our individual strengths and weaknesses. We have no contempt, jealousy, or desire to usurp or GOD given roles within our marriage. I truly wish for all to have the type marriage we have.

The point of the whole feminist movement, whether it be in the UK or anywhere else, is that women's supposed equality is being done at the EXPENSE of men in order to prove superiority over men. It is an issue that is far too complex to continually write about in such a forum. I will say, the first person who would call the OP out on their 'accusation' that it's merely MEN who commit these acts, would be my wife. I thank God that she knows that women have just as much responsibility to address their innate humanly desires as men do. True equality says "BOTH are culpable". BOTH are culpable of losing site of God and being more concerned with earthly ways. The BIBLE even quotes women's desires all through it. Please do not make me have to quote every verse. I hate doing that to prove a point. As I stated in my original comment, please do not paint women as being ABOVE men in virtue. If true equality is to exist, then it has to exist in all points.

Please tell all of the men who have been falsely accused of rape, molestation, or other sexual crimes, who have to defend themselves as being guilty until proven innocent as to the natures of women, even mentioned in the Bible, who simply wish to paint men as the sole perpertrators. Again, I said.... RESEARCH IT. And do not stop until you see the truth. BOTH are culpable.

It would seem to me that Joseph was put into prison by a woman who, after denying her sexual urges, was made to rot. He was a GOOD man who fell at the NATURAL vindictiveness of a woman who was rejected. Genesis 39:7

Please know ALL of the Bible......

And every woman might want to pick up a copy of the book "Bad Girls Of The Bible" who dare doubt what I talk about. It was written BY a woman who knows the nature OF women.

Blessings to all....

 

[MadParrotWoman]

As I said in the post you quoted, I distinctly stated that men have done these certain things to women. And to be honest, I actually agree with most everything you stated. Yes, we live in a world that is promoting many things that are against God's word. The whole point I was making was, in the interest of supposed "equality" amongst the sexes, you can't have true equality unless you have true culpability and accountability. So I want to address that while your post rings true in some regards, you must NOT simply state that women simply perform their actions because "sometimes it is done to impress the man". To do this would be to ignore what happened in the Garden of Eden itself. If we are going to address certain issues regarding the true equality of the sexes, then women have to become 'accountable' for their own humanly desires as well.

I have NO problem with equality of the sexes. I am married. My wife is a true Proverbs 31 woman. And because of that, I devote my life to being a true Ephesians 5 man for her. My wife is TRULY my equal. And in many regards, surpasses me in talents and abilities. That being said, she recognizes my talents and abilities as well. We defer to each other at all times in accordance to our individual strengths and weaknesses. We have no contempt, jealousy, or desire to usurp or GOD given roles within our marriage. I truly wish for all to have the type marriage we have.

The point of the whole feminist movement, whether it be in the UK or anywhere else, is that women's supposed equality is being done at the EXPENSE of men in order to prove superiority over men. It is an issue that is far too complex to continually write about in such a forum. I will say, the first person who would call the OP out on their 'accusation' that it's merely MEN who commit these acts, would be my wife. I thank God that she knows that women have just as much responsibility to address their innate humanly desires as men do. True equality says "BOTH are culpable". BOTH are culpable of losing site of God and being more concerned with earthly ways. The BIBLE even quotes women's desires all through it. Please do not make me have to quote every verse. I hate doing that to prove a point. As I stated in my original comment, please do not paint women as being ABOVE men in virtue. If true equality is to exist, then it has to exist in all points.

Please tell all of the men who have been falsely accused of rape, molestation, or other sexual crimes, who have to defend themselves as being guilty until proven innocent as to the natures of women, even mentioned in the Bible, who simply wish to paint men as the sole perpertrators. Again, I said.... RESEARCH IT. And do not stop until you see the truth. BOTH are culpable.

It would seem to me that Joseph was put into prison by a woman who, after denying her sexual urges, was made to rot. He was a GOOD man who fell at the NATURAL vindictiveness of a woman who was rejected. Genesis 39:7

Please know ALL of the Bible......

And every woman might want to pick up a copy of the book "Bad Girls Of The Bible" who dare doubt what I talk about. It was written BY a woman who knows the nature OF women.

Blessings to all....

Women and men are of course equally accountable, I didn't mean to imply they weren't, in some cases yes women commit the crime to play-up to the man - they're still accountable. Women can be vindictive and controlling - absolutely!

 

[MrMyagi]

Women and men are of course equally accountable, I didn't mean to imply they weren't, in some cases yes women commit the crime to play-up to the man - they're still accountable. Women can be vindictive and controlling - absolutely!

Good. Then we are in agreement. All I ask is that there is equal weight given to both sexes.

But you don't have to take my word for it. "Bad Girls of The Bible" author talks about this in her own blog. Every 'feminist' should read this. And then finally admit to what they do. The world can start to heal then. Plenty of great men have simply had it with trying to find the woman that THEY are entitled to as good Christian men, because, everywhere they turn, they lose.... and they are fighting a game with the odds stacked against them. As I said, I am BLESSED that God gave me the woman of my desires. She is so worthy of having nothing but me give my life up for her. I wish that for the world.

Blesssings....

Bad Girls of the Bible: Potiphar’s Wife | Liz Curtis Higgs

 

[Warrior777]

Thanks everybody for this discussion, I'm in a bad (sinful) relationship myself at the moment and it's been really enlightening to read all your comments. Thank you! Jenny x

Hi Jennyll welcome here - and my advice get out of that bad (sinful) relationship, repent to God for it and then move on with God and single for a while, until you are ready for a courtship that leads to marriage. Blessings...

 

[MrMyagi]

Thanks everybody for this discussion, I'm in a bad (sinful) relationship myself at the moment and it's been really enlightening to read all your comments. Thank you! Jenny x

Jenny.... that's actually good to hear that a young woman as yourself is at least seeing the error and be willing to correct it.

For your knowledge... and only to tell you that it CAN work if you trust in God.... I waited seven years for God to put my wife in front of me. That was seven years after a divorce with NO relationships.... no sex.... and very little, if ever, a date. It was self imposed. I could have rushed into anything that I told myself I was justified in doing. The only reason I didn't was because I realized that the way I was doing things WASN'T working. I had to let God do it for me. He needed me to heal. He needed me to not rebound into another unhealthy or toxic relationship simply out of 'need to not be alone'. And trust me... alone I was... except for God.

Once He knew I was ready..... my wife appeared. And God answered every one of my desires for a wife. No... he actually EXCEEDED my list...

Do what you must.... and trust in God. He will deliver. But remember... HIS time is not OUR time. Remove impatience... remove doubt... and let go. Let Him do the rest.

May God deliver your hearts desire.

Blessings

 

[Little_Light]

i hope i dont upset anyone with this post but its something i really feel i need to get some feed bk on.

men... why does sexual sin happen, in that its in the news alot lately, on men raping under age girls, killing little girls or abducting them. catholics with the rape of young boys. i just dont understand how on earth men get it in there head that these things are ok. why SOME men feel its ok to over power everyone in frount of them to degrate and make the victim feel degrading and mentaly scared for the rest of there lives, while they walk around thinking its a normal thing.

is it because young men arnt told to respect other people now, or is it a fact of life.
is there anything in the bible to why?
what can we do about it?

God bless x

I will simply say this and move on -

The Book of Revelation is coming more and more true day by day.

 

[born2behappy]

Jenny.... that's actually good to hear that a young woman as yourself is at least seeing the error and be willing to correct it.

For your knowledge... and only to tell you that it CAN work if you trust in God.... I waited seven years for God to put my wife in front of me. That was seven years after a divorce with NO relationships.... no sex.... and very little, if ever, a date. It was self imposed. I could have rushed into anything that I told myself I was justified in doing. The only reason I didn't was because I realized that the way I was doing things WASN'T working. I had to let God do it for me. He needed me to heal. He needed me to not rebound into another unhealthy or toxic relationship simply out of 'need to not be alone'. And trust me... alone I was... except for God.

Once He knew I was ready..... my wife appeared. And God answered every one of my desires for a wife. No... he actually EXCEEDED my list...

Do what you must.... and trust in God. He will deliver. But remember... HIS time is not OUR time. Remove impatience... remove doubt... and let go. Let Him do the rest.

May God deliver your hearts desire.

Blessings

Thank you for your testimony. It's really encouraging. I've decided to get divorced because of my husband's constant drinking (although he does not see a problem at all, it's nothing to drink 6 pints of beer every day). Just cannot live with it anymore because we will end up drinking together.

 

[Warrior777]

Thank you for your testimony. It's really encouraging. I've decided to get divorced because of my husband's constant drinking (although he does not see a problem at all, it's nothing to drink 6 pints of beer every day). Just cannot live with it anymore because we will end up drinking together.

It's a bit off topic here but there must be enough threads to get more answers on the biblical view of marriage and divorce. One thing I can say, it is not biblical to divorce for any reason except sexual immorality (due to physical adultery). No matter what anybody else says or thinks about it (alcohol, abuse, etc). It's the Word of God, not my opinion, so if anybody out there reading this gets upset and wants to respond, save it and talk to God about it. Anybody wanting more in-depth study about it, again there are threads dealing with it, just wanted to mention it here because of this post.

Matt 5:32
But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

 

[amymine712]

Thank you for your testimony. It's really encouraging. I've decided to get divorced because of my husband's constant drinking (although he does not see a problem at all, it's nothing to drink 6 pints of beer every day). Just cannot live with it anymore because we will end up drinking together.

If his drinking will cause you to stumble, then definitely separate. You do not want to get pulled into it.

 

[Warrior777]

If his drinking will cause you to stumble, then definitely separate. You do not want to get pulled into it.

How about a husband divorcing his wife because she cooks to good, so he is gaining to much weight and becomes obese. Gluttony is a sin too... where does it stop?!

 

[BrewingTX]

It's not just men abusing children sexually. It seems there are more female high school teachers getting sexually involved with their students than male teachers.

 

[amymine712]

How about a husband divorcing his wife because she cooks to good, so he is gaining to much weight and becomes obese. Gluttony is a sin too... where does it stop?!

If she has the sin of gluttony in her life and sees nothing wrong with it and that sin causes her husband to stumble, then yes he should separate from her.

 

[Warrior777]

If she has the sin of gluttony in her life and sees nothing wrong with it and that sin causes her husband to stumble, then yes he should separate from her.

No I meant the man becomes a glutton just because of his wife's cooking...., anyways, you pretty much answered it already.
So in other words, if there is anything in your spouses' life that makes you stumble for whatever reason you should just divorce them, right? No matter if one has a mind and a will of their own that they can engage to work on themselves and change or say no to sin! This is pretty much what you are saying.

Just a question, are you a Christian and I mean not by association to a church or certain people, but do you really believe in Jesus and believe and do what He says?

 

[amymine712]

No I meant the man becomes a glutton just because of his wife's cooking...., anyways, you pretty much answered it already.
So in other words, if there is anything in your spouses' life that makes you stumble for whatever reason you should just divorce them, right? No matter if one has a mind and a will of their own that they can engage to work on themselves and change or say no to sin! This is pretty much what you are saying.

Just a question, are you a Christian and I mean not by association to a church or certain people, but do you really believe in Jesus and believe and do what He says?

If the person admits to the sin and turns from it then you are to forgive just as Christ did. However having a spouse not admitting to the problem/sin and turning from it and that sin causes you to stumble back into sin then you should separate yourself from the problem. NOTICE I said separate not divorce. We are not of this world and as such we are to hold ourselves separate from it. Kind of hard to do that when you are dealing with an unrepentant spouse that sees nothing wrong and you add children to the mix.

As far as my "Christian" standing goes, Christ knows my heart and that is all you need to worry about.