Did you know the early church never gathered on Sunday?

[john832]

Sunday starts at Sundown. When it is dark and goes until then next evening. During Passover Night and Day are about even or 12 hours each being around the Spring Equinox. It is entirely possible Christ rose on Sunday(After Dark) and then later that night Mary went to the Tomb(After Dark) being a 12 hour span. There is more then enough time for this to happen. Since Scripture says Christ is the First Fruits and He fulfilled the Spring Feasts I would think he rose on First Fruits which is defined as the morrow after the Sabbath.

Well, since Christ was buried just before sunset on the same day He was crucified...
Luk 23:52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

And He arose 72 hours later...

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

How many hours in a day and a night?

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Christ plainly shows here that there are twelve hours in the daylight portion of a day and since a day is twenty-four hours and the day and night are of equal length at the time of the Passover, then three days and three nights are 72 hours. So if He were buried just before sunset on Wednesday, then He must have risen just before sunset on Friday.

I never said he died on Friday. That is what the Catholics and other Organizations teach.

Agreed.

There is a a lot of debate when Christ was crucified. 31 AD may be correct but others may disagree. He definatley was not crucified on Friday since that would not give enough time to be in the ground 3 days and 3 nights. I think this is a good topic for a new thread on when he was crucified.

The decree went forth in 457 BC and 483 years later (sixty-nine weeks) is 27 AD. His ministry was 3-1/2 years and that brings us to spring of 31 AD.

As far as the topic of when He was crucified, this has been discussed to death and regardless of the proofs offered, some still stubbornly cling to the deception of a Sunday morning resurrection.

 

[john832]

No it wasn't, it was the pattern which the early church laid down which was followed for a long time by Christians!

Then why in the world did Paul work as a tentmaker?

Act 18:1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;
Act 18:2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome and came unto them.
Act 18:3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Paul worked as a tentmaker through the week and preached in the synagogues on the Sabbath.

Judging from your other comments, you knowledge on the practices of the early church is lacking, you can find an indepth study Here that should be informative to you...

Yahweh Shalom

Yep, all I know about the early church is what I have read in the scriptures. Oh wait, is that not a good enough source for you?

 

[jb]

Then why in the world did Paul work as a tentmaker?

Well, if you read the study I linked you to, it would fill your lack of knowledge on this subject!

Yep, all I know about the early church is what I have read in the scriptures. Oh wait, is that not a good enough source for you?

Climb down from your high horse and don't be so condescending!

 

[achduke]

You have to have enough time after Passover for two Sabbaths with a normal work day in the middle. Remember, Mary bought the spices after the Sabbath ended, prepared them, and the rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. The Bible also says that Mary went to the tomb while it was still dark. The words, "while it was still dark" indicates it was dark prior to her going, not that it was getting dark.

I agree with this.

Nissan 14th Wed Day Just before Evening (3PM) Christ Crucified and put in Tomb, Preparation Day.
Nissan 15th Thu (Christ in the Ground 1st Night) Passover Night
Nissan 15th Thu (Christ in the Ground 1st Day) 1st Day of Unleaven Bread. (Special Sabbath John 19:31)
Nissan 16th Fri (Christ in the Ground 2nd Night) 2nd Day of Unleaven Bread
Nissan 16th Fri (Christ in the Ground 2nd Day) 2nd Day of Unleaven Bread. (Mark 16:1) After Sabbath Mary and Mary buy spices.
Nissan 17th Sat (Christ in the Ground 3rd Night) 3rd Day of Unleaven Bread and Weekly Sabbath.
Nissan 17th Sat (Christ in the Ground 3rd Day) 3rd Day of Unleaven Bread and Weekly Sabbath
Nissan 18th Sun Night 4th Day of Unleaven Bread and First Fruits (waving of sheaf) Christ risen early and along with Mary and Mary Visit Tomb. Matthew 28:1-5 Just after Dawn.

Matthew 28:1-5 1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. 2There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. 5The angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. 7Then go quickly and tell his disciples: ‘He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.’ Now I have told you.”

It is very probable that Christ rose at this event after dawn on the first of the week. This would make First of Fruits on Sunday. It would not be possible to be the special day during the 1st day of Unleaven Bread since Christ would not be in the ground long enough.

Is it possible that Christ rose at the end of the Sabbath? Maybe but then that would not line up with Scripture and the First Fruits being the morrow after the Sabbath.

 

[john832]

Is it possible that Christ rose at the end of the Sabbath? Maybe but then that would not line up with Scripture and the First Fruits being the morrow after the Sabbath.

Actually, it lines up perfectly...

Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
Lev 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

The Wave Sheaf was offered at/about 9:00 AM on the first day of the week (Sunday). Now let's read the scriptural account in John...

Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb and finds it empty before daylight.

Joh 20:11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
Joh 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
Joh 20:13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
Joh 20:14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
Joh 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
Joh 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Christ had not yet presented Himself to the Father as the Wave Sheaf, the perfect Sacrifice for sin for all time.

Now notice a little later that same day...

Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
Joh 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Joh 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Now they could touch Him because He had been to the Father, presented Himself and returned.

The Wave Sheaf does not represent the resurrection, it represents the presentation of Christ to the Father as the perfect Sacrifice for sin.

Here is an interesting article concerning the Wave Sheaf...

Wave Sheaf -- What We Found

 

[achduke]

The decree went forth in 457 BC and 483 years later (sixty-nine weeks) is 27 AD. His ministry was 3-1/2 years and that brings us to spring of 31 AD.

As far as the topic of when He was crucified, this has been discussed to death and regardless of the proofs offered, some still stubbornly cling to the deception of a Sunday morning resurrection.

It may be 31 AD. I like 31 AD but you are assuming that his ministry was 3.5 years. Where is the scripture that proves this? I think it could be 31 AD but I do not know. Also Passover is the 14th of Nissan that means we need to know the 1st day of Nissan. Was the new moon calculated from a visible sliver or the astronimcal new moon? That could change the 1st day of Nissan which would change the 14th day of Nissan. Also Nissan is when the Barley is ripe. Was the Barley ripe during the time of Christ? We just do not know all this information to make an exact guess.

 

[achduke]

Actually, it lines up perfectly...

The Wave Sheaf does not represent the resurrection, it represents the presentation of Christ to the Father as the perfect Sacrifice for sin.

Ok I can buy this, that makes sense. The first fruits need to be harvested (Risen) on Sabbath before it is presented(waved) on Sunday. So he could have risen on the sabbath and have been presented on Sunday. Going back to Scuba's orginal post I replied to though this would make the First Fruits Sunday (Day after Weekly Sabbath) and not the 1st day of Unleaven Bread.

Shalom,

 

[watcher2013]

First of all, He did not rise on Sunday morning...

Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

He was already gone!

Secondly, perhaps you can count three days and three nights for us from Friday at sunset to Sunday morning?

Thirdly, the Passover was on Wednesday, April 25 (Julian dating), 31AD.

The ONLY sign Christ gave that He was the Messiah (by His own words) is that He would be in the tomb three days and three nights...

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

He was buried just before/at sunset on Wednesday and arose three days and three nights later before/at sunset on the weekly Sabbath afternoon.

One thing is certain Jesus resurrection was past sabbath:

Mar 16:1

And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

To support this view:
the Fact that they went to anoint Jesus- meaning they were allowed to work.
Jesus taken captive - Passover (night)
Jesus Crucifixion - Passover (day) -also the preparation day for the (feast of unleavened next day)
Jesus was Buried this day:
Mat 27:61 And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.
Mat 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate

Picture this event:

A. IF the second day after the feast of unleavened bread (16th day) (falls on the weekly Sabbath?) which will make for two Sabbaths...

Crucifixion(Passover Prep day(Thursday))- Sabbath(15 day (Friday)) - (Sabbath weekly)-First day of week (Sunday)
If this is the case then "past Sabbath" means the evening of the first day of the week which is sunday (where they can carry out the work)

Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mar 16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
Mar 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
You see:
In Mat 27:61, They were guarding the sepulchre (Sabbath)...
Now in Mark 16:4 early in the morning they saw the stones rolled away

That means Jesus could only have risen the night past Sabbath. (weekly or the Feast of Unleaven) because they can carry out the work to anoint him.

B. IF the next day after the feast of unleavened (falls on ordinary day?) which will make for only one Sabbath...
Crucifixion(Passover Prep day)- Sabbath(15 day) - (Ordinary Day)
If this is the case then "past Sabbath" means the evening of the ordinary day of the week which can be from (Sunday-Friday) (where they can carry out the work)

Either Case...Jesus resurrection was not Sabbath.

 

[john832]

Ok I can buy this, that makes sense. The first fruits need to be harvested (Risen) on Sabbath before it is presented(waved) on Sunday. So he could have risen on the sabbath and have been presented on Sunday. Going back to Scuba's orginal post I replied to though this would make the First Fruits Sunday (Day after Weekly Sabbath) and not the 1st day of Unleaven Bread.

Shalom,

And on that, you are absolutely correct, the Wave Sheaf ALWAYS falls on a Sunday, and 50 days later, Pentecost always falls on a Sunday...

Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

The seven Sabbaths here are the weekly Sabbaths. The day following the seventh weekly Sabbath is Pentecost.

 

[john832]

One thing is certain Jesus resurrection was past sabbath:

Mar 16:1

And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

To support this view:
the Fact that they went to anoint Jesus- meaning they were allowed to work.
Jesus taken captive - Passover (night)
Jesus Crucifixion - Passover (day) -also the preparation day for the (feast of unleavened next day)
Jesus was Buried this day:
Mat 27:61 And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.
Mat 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate

Picture this event:

A. IF the second day after the feast of unleavened bread (16th day) (falls on the weekly Sabbath?) which will make for two Sabbaths...

Crucifixion(Passover Prep day(Thursday))- Sabbath(15 day (Friday)) - (Sabbath weekly)-First day of week (Sunday)
If this is the case then "past Sabbath" means the evening of the first day of the week which is sunday (where they can carry out the work)

Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mar 16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
Mar 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
You see:
In Mat 27:61, They were guarding the sepulchre (Sabbath)...
Now in Mark 16:4 early in the morning they saw the stones rolled away

That means Jesus could only have risen the night past Sabbath. (weekly or the Feast of Unleaven) because they can carry out the work to anoint him.

B. IF the next day after the feast of unleavened (falls on ordinary day?) which will make for only one Sabbath...
Crucifixion(Passover Prep day)- Sabbath(15 day) - (Ordinary Day)
If this is the case then "past Sabbath" means the evening of the ordinary day of the week which can be from (Sunday-Friday) (where they can carry out the work)

Either Case...Jesus resurrection was not Sabbath.

Problem with your thinking is that when they got there to anoint His body, He was already gone. He arose before they got there and before Sunday morning. In actuality, He arose the Sabbath afternoon prior at/about sunset.

 

[watcher2013]

Problem with your thinking is that when they got there to anoint His body, He was already gone. He arose before they got there and before Sunday morning. In actuality, He arose the Sabbath afternoon prior at/about sunset.

You are right about at morning of Sunday the body is already Gone:

that is why he rose the night before the sunday morning...
which falls under Saturday night (past Sabbath)

When Sabbath runs from (Friday night to Saturday day)

evident:
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

end of Sabbath then earthquake.

 

[john832]

It may be 31 AD. I like 31 AD but you are assuming that his ministry was 3.5 years. Where is the scripture that proves this? I think it could be 31 AD but I do not know. Also Passover is the 14th of Nissan that means we need to know the 1st day of Nissan. Was the new moon calculated from a visible sliver or the astronimcal new moon? That could change the 1st day of Nissan which would change the 14th day of Nissan. Also Nissan is when the Barley is ripe. Was the Barley ripe during the time of Christ? We just do not know all this information to make an exact guess.

There has been debate over the calendar with much ferocity. I do believe they used the calculated calendar but others believe that the calendar was by observation. The real issue is that the scripture does not reveal the calendar. For that, we must trust the Jews...

Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

In a few words? I don't know. I observe a calculated calendar. I will give you a reason, this comes from a sight in which they insist on observed New Moons...

"Announcements: Only one person saw the new moon in Judea this evening as cloud cover rolled in. The new moon was calculated to be at least 2% illuminated this evening. No matter how much we are tempted to claim a new moon sighting based on only one witness because of cloud; God’s word requires at least TWO witnesses to confirm a calculation.
Therefore, based on the two witness rule the new moon will be Tuesday at sunset until Wednesday at sunset.
Since no month can be longer than 30 days and Tuesday will be the 30th day; the new moon will automatically begin tomorrow at sunset on that count as well."

So because a witness was in a location that clouds obscured his view, the month did not begin? And where in God's word do we get the instruction for sighting the New Moon by two witnesses?

More from the same sight...

"• The Biblical Calendar and a Short Month
Why was last month only 28 days?
The cycle of the moon is approximately 29 1/2 days, and because no day begins in its middle and we use full days beginning at sunset, this means that no month can exceed 30 days in length, This also means that the cycle of the moon will not be less than 29 days.
Therefore we look for the first visible light of the new moon at the end of the 28th day, and if it is seen at the end of the 29th day, a new biblical month begins; however if the light of the moon is not seen, then the end of the 30th day begins the new month regardless of whether any light was seen, simply because the moon’s cycle is less than 30 days.
This seems very simple in terms of the moon’s cycle, however in actual observation of the moon various issues can arise causing two consecutive 30 day months, or two consecutive 29 day months. These issues can involve the time of day that the moon becomes visible, and such things as the moon setting too close to sunset, and being lost in the sun’s glare, as well as other issues. For example: if one should fail to see the moon on day 29 and delay to the 30th day, that would make the end of the next month a day shorter.
Recently this year, there was a 30 day month, followed by what was expected to be an easily visible new moon on the 29th day, which was to be followed by another 29 day month.
However, while astronomically the moon would have been visible, making a 29 day month; it was obscured by heavy cloud cover and a dust storm. Therefore the new moon was delayed one day to fulfill 30 days and then became the new moon by default through circumstance, even though it was astronomically a 29 day month.
Since that month was to have been a 29 day month and was to be followed by another 29 day month; by adding that extra day due to circumstances [remember that God also controls the weather] and making the first month a 30 day month instead of 29 days; the next new moon was sighted on the 28th day instead of the expected 29th day to begin the new year.
This had nothing to do with the moon’s cycle which was for two consecutive 29 day months, and happened because of our response to the storm.
Last evening the moon cycle simple corrected the situation of our decision from last month, proving that despite the decisions of men the light of the moon will always correct us and bring us back to the moon’s natural cycle.
While last month was only 28 days, the lunar cycle was 29 days, and the 28 days was because of the storm and was immediately corrected at the end of that month, by the light of the on in its regular cycle.
Even the Rabbinic Calendar which goes by the darkness of conjunctions has in various years two consecutive 29 day months."

"IMPORTANT PASSOVER CORRECTION. I have been in consultations with xxxxx xxxxxxx and with xxx [wife of] xxxxxxxx xxxxxx. xxxxx wrote that on the basis of a few “What ifs” he was calling April 2nd the new moon. I responded that I did not make decisions based on “What ifs” but on the facts.
Then the issue came to my mind of the simple fact that the witnesses of the first light, had to appear before the Sanhedrin in the morning to give their reports and be questioned; and in those days it would have been impossible to see the moon’s light 95 miles away, and then be present the next morning to report to the Sanhedrin and be questioned. The first light of the new moon must be seen in the environs of Jerusalem.
I also came across the fact that there were certain political issues involved concerning the new moon in Israel. The Rabbins are preparing for the coming of Messiah and a change over to the biblical calendar and there is a struggle ongoing as to who will lead the calendar reform.
xxxxxxxx had been insisting that the new moon would be seen at sunset ending 31 March for some time, and had a vested interest in declaring it on that day. I asked xxx if they had observers in the area of Jerusalem and she replied: Yes, but that they saw nothing.
Nothing was seen in any other area except for the two persons very far from Jerusalem, and it appears that at least one if not both sightings were invalid of themselves, and further invalid because of the distance from Jerusalem.
In fact the moon seems to have been seen by telescope and being about 95 miles to the north west of Jerusalem is not a valid sighting.
I have looked into this deeply over a couple of days and I find it necessary to issue a correction.
I deeply apologize and ask for your forgiveness for the initial false report. I was not fully aware of the politics in Israel regarding the calendar, and took the report to be sincere and honest; but I would rather be ashamed than to mislead any person or to offend my Lord."

So, there are conflicts with observation just as with calculation.

 

[john832]

You are right about at morning of Sunday the body is already Gone:

that is why he rose the night before the sunday morning...
which falls under Saturday night (past Sabbath)

When Sabbath runs from (Friday night to Saturday day)

evident:
Mat 28:1In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mat 28:2And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

end of Sabbath then earthquake.

????

What is the connection?

 

[watcher2013]

????

What is the connection?

the connection is this:

the one day Sabbath (feast of unleavened bread 15th day) lacks the three days three nights prophecy while
The two days Sabbaths seems plausible to have the three days and three nights:

thus:
Passover day (crucifixion) Day 1 - tomb
night unleavened bread (night 1) - tomb
day (unleavened bread (day 2) - tomb
night (weekly Sabbath) (night2) - tomb
day (weekly Sabbath) (day 3) - tomb
night end of Sabbath (1st day of the week) night 3) Resurrection

 

[BlackPlatypus]

And while the debate, or argument as the case might be, continues on this topic all over the Christian community, not just in these forums, it remains that it is the 21st century.
And what early Christians did is old history.

We are the church. We the faithful. The Sabbath day of rest from sunset on Friday unto sunset on Saturday , as practiced by the ancient Hebrews, isn't going to send us to Hell if we respect and practice that today.

Has anyone even tried to put that into practice in their contemporary and often hectic life? Turn off the electronics, and rest and honor God? Do we imagine God would object? What is there to fight about?

The Sabbath change, from Saturday to Sunday, had to happen because God prophesied it would. In order to make this change happen there has to be some tweaking of Scripture to get the people of God to fall for the change, which the Bible was tweaked and the people of God did fall for it. The early church never gathered on Sunday, it's a delusion.

 

[watcher2013]

And while the debate, or argument as the case might be, continues on this topic all over the Christian community, not just in these forums, it remains that it is the 21st century.
And what early Christians did is old history.

We are the church. We the faithful. The Sabbath day of rest from sunset on Friday unto sunset on Saturday , as practiced by the ancient Hebrews, isn't going to send us to Hell if we respect and practice that today.

Has anyone even tried to put that into practice in their contemporary and often hectic life? Turn off the electronics, and rest and honor God? Do we imagine God would object? What is there to fight about?

Cars have electronics....do you also turned them off?

 

[achduke]

So, there are conflicts with observation just as with calculation.

That is where I see the problem with calculating the crucifixation. In one aspect I do not think it matters since no scripture support is based on it. I myself think the sighting of the moon just reaffirms that the new moon has past. Even in the days of Christ they should have been able to calculate when the new moon was. Even during David's time they were able to calculate it. Seeing the moon just verfied that the new moon has past and took 1 to 3 days normally.

1 Samuel 20:5 So David said, “Look, tomorrow is the New Moon feast, and I am supposed to dine with the king; but let me go and hide in the field until the evening of the day after tomorrow.

In 1 Samuel 20 We can see that they calculated because David already knew that the new moon feast was the next day. It should have been trivial for them to determine the astronomical new moon instead of the sliver of the moon which can be observed anywhere from 1 to 3 days.

 

[Scuba]

The Sabbath that ended was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, not the weekly Sabbath of the fourth commandment. Mary bought the spices after the Sabbath ended because she would not have bought them on a Sabbath. That means the day after that Sabbath (first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread) was a normal work day. After Mary bought the spices and prepared them the forth commandment Sabbath was now upon her so she rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. Why are we fighting so hard to keep Sunday? The Beast kingdom is the driving force behind Sunday, not God.

 

[watcher2013]

The Sabbath that ended was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, not the weekly Sabbath of the fourth commandment. Mary bought the spices after the Sabbath ended because she would not have bought them on a Sabbath. That means the day after that Sabbath (first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread) was a normal work day. After Mary bought the spices and prepared them the forth commandment Sabbath was now upon her so she rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. Why are we fighting so hard to keep Sunday? The Beast kingdom is the driving force behind Sunday, not God.

can you show the three days three nights prophecy using your logic?

 

[Scuba]

can you show the three days three nights prophecy using your logic?

Wed to Sat is three days and three nights. We're not taking hours, we're taking days and nights. I'm on my way out to work so I don't have time to type it all out right now.