Jesus turned water into unfermented wine and not fermented wine.
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To support your nonsense, you quoted from a Seventh-day Adventist and linked to his article that was full of nonsense. The author of that article quoted Ellen G. White to support his nonsense. Ellen G. White's writings are full of nonsense.
Do you agree that Ellen G. White's writings are full of nonsense?
Like I said, you will use anything and anybody as your source if you think it will support your nonsense.
To support your nonsense, you quoted from a Seventh-day Adventist and linked to his article that was full of nonsense. The author of that article quoted Ellen G. White to support his nonsense. Ellen G. White's writings are full of nonsense.
Do you agree that Ellen G. White's writings are full of nonsense?
Like I said, you will use anything and anybody as your source if you think it will support your nonsense.
Oh, you must mean Song of Solomon 5:1 where you will find the words "wine" and "abundantly." (KJV)
This is a question for you and Jason0047:
Why is love compared to wine in Song of Solomon in a number of verses?
Or are we talking about grape juice?
As in, "How much better is thy love than grape juice!"
This is a question for you and Jason0047:
Why is love compared to wine in Song of Solomon in a number of verses?
Or are we talking about grape juice?
As in, "How much better is thy love than grape juice!"
Jesus turned the water into fermented wine , Jesus also drank fermented wine. This thread makes no sense to me.
Jesus was called a drunkard because he drank grape juice?
Drinking until one is drunk is a sin, Jesus never drank to become drunk. If you do not want to drink booze then do not drink it, but do not lie about Jesus and say he never drank fermented wine, that is a lie which is one of the top ten sins, being drunk didnt make the top ten.
Just a thought.
Jesus was called a drunkard because he drank grape juice?
Drinking until one is drunk is a sin, Jesus never drank to become drunk. If you do not want to drink booze then do not drink it, but do not lie about Jesus and say he never drank fermented wine, that is a lie which is one of the top ten sins, being drunk didnt make the top ten.
Just a thought.
J
I have no idea the nature of the water turned to wine of our Lord, tend to think it was not fermented for reasons of our Lord probably not finding it appropriate to facilitate later-in-the-night sinking into a fully drunken debauchery of people at the wedding, though this would be their own faults. God did create grape juice fermentable, but not drunks, created sex, but not for adultery and fornication. Still, this is a question we can all only have our arguments for, no absolute answer. But I would say I believe the Lord Jesus drank fermented wine, as fresh grape juice would not be available year around in those times of low technology food and no refrigeration, and our Lord Jesus was accused of being "winebibber," which is a drunk in essence, a habitual alcoholic wine drinker, and I doubt the Pharisees would made such a completely stupid false accusation, absent actually seeing Him drinking fermented wine to exploit.have
Lets take example of judah that through wine uncovered his father's nakedness through wone took a cananite wife through wine slept with his daughter in law and fathered with her . And lets not forget noah that through wine noah cursed his son by his lewdness and through wine did the prophets err and stumbeled in vision . And lets not forget the words of jesus Christ our mesiah , that there was no greater man than john the baptist neither did he drink but was most upright a perfect example as jesud said
It's a full time job to see if everbody is in the level with God or not.
Again, my focus is on the Word. If I happen to notice a website is of a false religion, then I will not quote from them. But it's not like everyone advertises up front in who they are. You seem more concerned with slinging mud at me then sticking to the topic at hand with Scripture. I already explained why I referred to those articles. You want to accuse me of any detail just to defend an intoxicating beverage. If you want talk about the proper way to post article sources start another thread.
Again, my focus is on the Word. If I happen to notice a website is of a false religion, then I will not quote from them. But it's not like everyone advertises up front in who they are. You seem more concerned with slinging mud at me then sticking to the topic at hand with Scripture. I already explained why I referred to those articles. You want to accuse me of any detail just to defend an intoxicating beverage. If you want talk about the proper way to post article sources start another thread.
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What does the KJV have to do with hating catholics? In the bible discussion forum "Catholic heresy for the record" is not a KJV only thread. I think most christians in general distrust the vatican and see many pagan rituals in their proceedings, but that doesn't equate to hating catholics and it isn't something that is only found in people who defend the KJV. Do we need a new thread to discuss this?
Jesus would be among sinners who no doubt got drunk. That doesn't mean Jesus drank with them nor does it mean he made alcholic wine. Jesus was also called a glutton. I doubt Jesus had even remotely came close to being a glutton. So the pharisees were accusing him by guilt of association. However, Jesus was among sinners not to have a good time but to evangelize them.
You miss the point, drinking some wine isn't a wine bibber, eating some food isn't a glutton.. Those are words they would use to insult Him but He obviously ate and He obviously drank wine. Those old testament verses you posted in long sequence were 9 out of 10 about drinking in abundance, drunkards etc.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
(really Jason? that is your "Pharisees told Jesus He was born of fornication?")
[SUP]40 [/SUP]But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
(really Jason? that is your "Pharisees told Jesus He was born of fornication?")
JESUS said that you need two or three witnesses to justified a case. There have been more than three replies who have justified your hypocrisy, in being neither here or there.
You want Scripture and yet you have ignore request for Scripture quote that, where in the HOLY BIBLE, GOD's word says JESUS made unfermented wine?
If there is a possibility also, your prediction are nowhere close to the Scripture. If JESUS plucked grapes and proses them and filled the jar, and served, then i would believe your so called 'unfermented wine' to be close.
But here the justification is water suddenly turned into wine and a wine talent said it to be the best wine kept for last.
You claim to be attacked by us, but we only defend the Word of GOD, which you initially attacked, by introducing a twist to it.
You want Scripture and yet you have ignore request for Scripture quote that, where in the HOLY BIBLE, GOD's word says JESUS made unfermented wine?
If there is a possibility also, your prediction are nowhere close to the Scripture. If JESUS plucked grapes and proses them and filled the jar, and served, then i would believe your so called 'unfermented wine' to be close.
But here the justification is water suddenly turned into wine and a wine talent said it to be the best wine kept for last.
You claim to be attacked by us, but we only defend the Word of GOD, which you initially attacked, by introducing a twist to it.