Is that true? Did Jesus Christ die in your place?
By "die in your place" is meant that in death Jesus suffered
for us the wrath of God (Ro 5:9)
due on our guilt of sin.
If Jesus died in your place then why did Jesus teach that we must die?
Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but
whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
To deny Christ to
save one's (physical) life will
lose one's (eternal) life.
To follow Christ
may cost the
loss of one's (physical) life, but it
gains one's (eternal) life.
Where is "must die" for my sin here?
The cross is an instrument of death.
Did Jesus die in the place of Paul?
Yes, in his death Jesus suffered the wrath due on Paul's guilt of sin.
Did Paul follow Christ's example and die with Christ?
Read Ro 6:1-4 again.
Dying with Christ is not a physical death.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Crucified is not a physical death, but
crucified
the sinful nature (Gal 5:24),
crucified to
the world, and the world to him (Gal 6:14),
crucified
to sin, as Christ was crucified
for sin (Ro 6:8-10),
crucified to
the law (Ro 7:6)
crucified to
slavery to sin and freed from slavery sin (Ro 6:7).
What is the correlation between loosing one's physical life to gain one's eternal life (Mk 8:35) and
being crucified to sin as Christ was crucified for sin (Gal 2:20)?
Skinski7ism does not make any Biblical sense.
Can you find anywhere in the Bible where it is taught that "Jesus died in our place"?
I can't. I can find where the Bible teaches that Jesus died on our behalf but not in our place.
Addressed in the first response above.
Did Jesus really pay the penalty for our sins? Where does the Bible teach that?
Egregious re-writing of the NT in the
unbelief of Skinski7ism.
It is first found in the OT, in the
sin offering, where the sinner laid his hands on the head
of the live sacrificial animal (Lev 1:4, 4:4), confessing his sin (Lev 5:5) and laying them on the animal,
who
then paid, in the sinner's place, the penalty of death for his guilt,
whereby his sins were forgive (Lev 4:20, 26).
Then it is found in the NT in 2Co 5:21:
"God made him who had no sin to be a sin offering for us,
so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
The OT sin offering paid, in the sinner's place, the penalty of death for his guilt.
The penalty for all sin is the wrath of God on the guilt of the sinner.
Jesus saved those who believe in him (Jn 3:36) from that wrath (Ro 5:9)
by receiving it in their place (Is 53:5; 1Pe 2:24).
How is a debt being forgiven when that debt is still being paid for in full?
If Jesus paid the penalty due for sin then God is not forgiving sin.
Look up the meaning of "forgiveness." (Gr:
aphesis).
It is an accounting term (Mt 6:12, 18:27, 32, etc),
used in regard to sin (Mt 9:2, 5, 6; Ac 8:22; Ro 4:7, etc.)
It means
cancellation of a debt by
payment of it.
In accounting, a debt is forgiven when it is
paid,
either by the debtor, or someone else who absorbs the cost of the debt.
What if. . .wishes were horses. . .then beggars would ride.
Scripture is not subject to "what if."
instead of Jesus paying a sin debt He was instead offering Himself on behalf of sinners as a means by which
people could approach God whereby sin would be actually forgiven and not paid for?
That is what the book of Hebrews teaches.
You can't know what Hebrews teaches if you don't know what "forgiveness" actually means,
and you don't.
The book of Hebrews goes into great depth about the death of Christ and His blood.
It says not a single word on Jesus paying the penalty for your sins.
So? Neither does Jude, or Phm, or. . .
It's all said in "God made him to be a sin offering for us." (2Co 5:21)
The sin offering
paid the penalty of death
for the sinner's guilt.
The NT couldn't be any clearer on the matter.
The penalty for sin is. . .spiritual death.
Nope. . .the penalty for sin is
eternal death,
which is why the sacrificial animal had to die--to symbolically show the penalty for sin is (eternal) death.
"Spiritual death" and "eternal death" are not the same thing.
Spiritual death is no Holy Spirit life in one's spirit.
We are
born in spiritual death (Eph 2:3), and are
raised to eternal life in the new birth.
Eternal death is eternal separation from God and experience of his eternal "displeasure,"
because our sin has not been forgiven through faith in Jesus Christ.
Jesus never spiritually died.
Right, because spiritual death is no Holy Spirit life in one's spirit.
Only unregenerate mankind is born in spiritual death, and under the wrath of God (Eph 2:3;
Jn 3:36).
God did not punish Jesus as a sinner. God would be unust if He did that. It is not justice to punish an innocent with the penalty for the guilty and then let the guilt go free. That is not justice.
Pure
unbelieving finite human reasoning of Skinski7ism, with which
God disagrees in Is 53:5; 2Co 5:21.
Take it up with him.
Jesus was raised from the dead as a pattern of the new birth by which we overcome sin.
Not according to the NT.
Jesus was physically raised from the dead as the pattern of our physical resurrection,
as proof that he had overcome death, and as proof that he was who he said he was.
Spiritual life follows the death of the old man.
Nope. . .Holy Spirit life only follows belief in Christ.
Jesus did not give Himself to pay our sin debt.
God disagrees in 2Co 5:21; Is 53:5.
Take it up with him.
God freely forgives our sin debt
There is no
free cancellation of debt,
someone absorbs its cost.
If I forgive my debtor without his paying the debt, I am absorbing its cost, paying the debt for him,
and I am out the money of the debt.
There is no free cancellation of debt. Someone absorbs its cost.
And thus we have the egregious re-writing of the NT in the unbelief of Skinski7ism.
