When does the rapture occur?
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Daniel 11:31 was fulfilled during the reign of Antiochus IV...(first mix)
2nd
Daniel 12 talks of:
time of trouble and time of deliverance - those written in the book (saints) delivered-(Ad 70)
then
Resurrection to everlasting life.. (Jesus Returns)
see the difference:
those written in the book (saints) delivered:
while rev 13:
saints are overcome:
Rev 13:7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Daniel 11:31 was fulfilled during the reign of Antiochus IV...(first mix)
2nd
Daniel 12 talks of:
time of trouble and time of deliverance - those written in the book (saints) delivered-(Ad 70)
then
Resurrection to everlasting life.. (Jesus Returns)
see the difference:
those written in the book (saints) delivered:
while rev 13:
saints are overcome:
Rev 13:7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Revelation describe them as the Beast and false prophet.
Rev_19:20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
and If we consider we are at the time of John, it was for him future...
Rev_19:20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
and If we consider we are at the time of John, it was for him future...
There will be a resurrection of the saints but the Bible says do not be deceived because the gathering of the saints unto Christ will not happen until there is a falling away first and the man of sin steps in to the Jews newly rebuilt temple and claims to be God.If anybody tells you it will happen before that it is wrong.
The Bible says that God will come back with His children to earth to fight the world that attacks Israel which is the battle of Armageddon.
The truth is as long as the world can repent of their sins God will not take His people home.The world can still repent of their sins until they take the mark of the beast which happens half way through the tribulation period.
The truth is that God is allowing the world that does not love Him to go against the truth which the man of sin will cast the truth to the ground and stamp upon it.If the saints are not on earth when the man of sin claims to be God half way through the tribulation then he could not go against the truth.God will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him and the only way the man of sin can go against the truth is if the saints are on earth because if the saints are not on earth there is no truth to go against,which the Bible says he blasphemes God and His tabernacle so the saints have to be on earth.
The beast makes war against the saints,and destroys the mighty and holy people physically,and prevails against them,and the saints are given in to his hands for three and one half years.
Jesus told the disciples when talking of the end times that the miracles will appear so real to deceive people of the world that it would deceive the very elect if it were possible which is the false prophet in Revelation 13 that does the lying wonders and miracles to deceive the world so the saints have to be there.
There cannot be a pre-tribulation resurrection for it is not scriptual and God is allowing the world to have their way for 7 years to go against the truth so the saints have to be on earth for them to go against the truth,and they still can repent of their sins for the first half of the tribulation so the saints will have to still witness to them,and they have to make war against the saints which is part of going against the truth.
The Bible talks of 2 men that told the saints that the resurrection already happened and it overthrew the faith of many and that is because they thought they missed out of the resurrection so they lost hope and probably stopped believing and that is what will happen with many people because of the pre-tribulation doctrine because when it does not happen many people will lose hope and end up following the beast kingdom thinking that is the answer for the world.
Jesus said at the last trumpet the saints will be resurrected so the first 6 trumpets have to happen first which the 6th trumpet probably does not happen until the first half of the tribulation as a large number of people rebel against the one world government and religious system which seems like it would be the Muslim world,which is when the world will not trust government anymore to solve their problems and accept the man of sin.
The Bible says that God will come back with His children to earth to fight the world that attacks Israel which is the battle of Armageddon.
The truth is as long as the world can repent of their sins God will not take His people home.The world can still repent of their sins until they take the mark of the beast which happens half way through the tribulation period.
The truth is that God is allowing the world that does not love Him to go against the truth which the man of sin will cast the truth to the ground and stamp upon it.If the saints are not on earth when the man of sin claims to be God half way through the tribulation then he could not go against the truth.God will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him and the only way the man of sin can go against the truth is if the saints are on earth because if the saints are not on earth there is no truth to go against,which the Bible says he blasphemes God and His tabernacle so the saints have to be on earth.
The beast makes war against the saints,and destroys the mighty and holy people physically,and prevails against them,and the saints are given in to his hands for three and one half years.
Jesus told the disciples when talking of the end times that the miracles will appear so real to deceive people of the world that it would deceive the very elect if it were possible which is the false prophet in Revelation 13 that does the lying wonders and miracles to deceive the world so the saints have to be there.
There cannot be a pre-tribulation resurrection for it is not scriptual and God is allowing the world to have their way for 7 years to go against the truth so the saints have to be on earth for them to go against the truth,and they still can repent of their sins for the first half of the tribulation so the saints will have to still witness to them,and they have to make war against the saints which is part of going against the truth.
The Bible talks of 2 men that told the saints that the resurrection already happened and it overthrew the faith of many and that is because they thought they missed out of the resurrection so they lost hope and probably stopped believing and that is what will happen with many people because of the pre-tribulation doctrine because when it does not happen many people will lose hope and end up following the beast kingdom thinking that is the answer for the world.
Jesus said at the last trumpet the saints will be resurrected so the first 6 trumpets have to happen first which the 6th trumpet probably does not happen until the first half of the tribulation as a large number of people rebel against the one world government and religious system which seems like it would be the Muslim world,which is when the world will not trust government anymore to solve their problems and accept the man of sin.
There was no AofD in AD 70 spoken of by Daniel. You stated that Daniel's use of AofD referred to Antiochus from 167 BC. You cite Dan 11:31. But Daniel does not discuss the temple being destroyed in this passage.
31 And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.
The above perhaps on the surface fits with AD 70 but Titus didn't really "muster" forces. He had them already. Titus didn't defile the sanctuary - the Romans burned it down and Titus didn't even give the order. When the temple burned, the people scattered and yes, the daily sacrifices ended but they weren't "taken away" in the true meaning of "taking something away." Again, there was nothing that you can call an Abomination of Desolation placed in the temple as there was no temple.
So if Daniel wasn't referring to AD 70 in the above than Christ wasn't either.
31 And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.
The above perhaps on the surface fits with AD 70 but Titus didn't really "muster" forces. He had them already. Titus didn't defile the sanctuary - the Romans burned it down and Titus didn't even give the order. When the temple burned, the people scattered and yes, the daily sacrifices ended but they weren't "taken away" in the true meaning of "taking something away." Again, there was nothing that you can call an Abomination of Desolation placed in the temple as there was no temple.
So if Daniel wasn't referring to AD 70 in the above than Christ wasn't either.
A Beast is usually symbolic of a Kingdom or Nation i.e., a political force. In the case of Rev 13, this Beast has a religious element.
Consider ISIS, or ISIL or the Islamic State (whatever they are calling themselves today).
The Leopard, Lion and Bear counties of Iran, Iraq and Syria fit perfectly. Does this group fit the first Beast of Rev 13? These are the same countries who have plagued Israel for millennia.
ISIS kills Christians and other Muslims who don't agree with them by Beheading. This is the exact way Rev 20 tells us the Saints will be killed.
This Beast has 7 heads and 10 horns. On his horns were 10 crowns and on his 7 heads were a blasphemous name. One of the heads had been mortally wounded but the deadly wound was healed.
This BEAST is the SAME Beast as the Scarlet Beast of Rev 17:
Rev 17:3 And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns..
We have the same 7 heads and 10 horns and we have blasphemy. This Beast WAS, IS NOT and YET IS. So what we see is a re-occurrence of things that happened in the past.
I'm not saying ISIS is it. I'm just saying ISIS fits so far. ISIS needs more countries to fit and ISIS needs to expand and go to Egypt and do battle with more Muslim nations.
Consider ISIS, or ISIL or the Islamic State (whatever they are calling themselves today).
The Leopard, Lion and Bear counties of Iran, Iraq and Syria fit perfectly. Does this group fit the first Beast of Rev 13? These are the same countries who have plagued Israel for millennia.
ISIS kills Christians and other Muslims who don't agree with them by Beheading. This is the exact way Rev 20 tells us the Saints will be killed.
This Beast has 7 heads and 10 horns. On his horns were 10 crowns and on his 7 heads were a blasphemous name. One of the heads had been mortally wounded but the deadly wound was healed.
This BEAST is the SAME Beast as the Scarlet Beast of Rev 17:
Rev 17:3 And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns..
We have the same 7 heads and 10 horns and we have blasphemy. This Beast WAS, IS NOT and YET IS. So what we see is a re-occurrence of things that happened in the past.
I'm not saying ISIS is it. I'm just saying ISIS fits so far. ISIS needs more countries to fit and ISIS needs to expand and go to Egypt and do battle with more Muslim nations.
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What does the Islamic Nation (ISIS) Flag mean?
The white writing that you see at the top of the flag is the first half of an Islamic phrase called the shahada, or declaration of faith, which reads: “There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God.”
Another appropriated symbol on the flag is the white circle at its center, which contains the second part of the shahada: "Muhammad is the Messenger of God." It’s meant to represent the official seal of the Prophet Muhammad.
So ask yourself - Would Muhammad as the Messenger of God instead of Christ Jesus be considered "BLASPHEMOUS" to God???? Allah is their God and Muhammad is their prophet. Remember what God said more than once about Esau??
[h=4]Romans 9:13 NKJV[/h] As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."
The white writing that you see at the top of the flag is the first half of an Islamic phrase called the shahada, or declaration of faith, which reads: “There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God.”
Another appropriated symbol on the flag is the white circle at its center, which contains the second part of the shahada: "Muhammad is the Messenger of God." It’s meant to represent the official seal of the Prophet Muhammad.
So ask yourself - Would Muhammad as the Messenger of God instead of Christ Jesus be considered "BLASPHEMOUS" to God???? Allah is their God and Muhammad is their prophet. Remember what God said more than once about Esau??
[h=4]Romans 9:13 NKJV[/h] As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."
It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.
23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
If we are taken in some supposed pre-Trib Rapture - why give us the warning???
23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
If we are taken in some supposed pre-Trib Rapture - why give us the warning???
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2 Timothy 4:
1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:
2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
As you can see from verse 1 that the Lord judges when He appears. No rapture doctrine teaches a "judging."
There is no mention of an earlier return in the above. As there is no mention of an earlier, separate return ANYWHERE!! A pre-Trib rapture does not require watching. Nor does it require enduring affliction unless you are in a bad country.
The Pre-Trib Doctrine actually contradicts the Word of God in multiple places such as Mat 24 and 2 Thes 2. Such a doctrine is warned about again here and in 2 Thes 2 where Paul is crystal clear when he tells us, "Not to be deceived by any means..." An earlier return is an "Any means."
1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:
2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
As you can see from verse 1 that the Lord judges when He appears. No rapture doctrine teaches a "judging."
There is no mention of an earlier return in the above. As there is no mention of an earlier, separate return ANYWHERE!! A pre-Trib rapture does not require watching. Nor does it require enduring affliction unless you are in a bad country.
The Pre-Trib Doctrine actually contradicts the Word of God in multiple places such as Mat 24 and 2 Thes 2. Such a doctrine is warned about again here and in 2 Thes 2 where Paul is crystal clear when he tells us, "Not to be deceived by any means..." An earlier return is an "Any means."
No, Christ will appear a second time. His appearance will be as the angels said in Acts. If I am looking at the Perfect Law of Liberty it will be quite impossible to deceive me:
1 John 3:2-3 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
And I see Him as He is described in the Bible. Those that do not KNOW the Scripture as commanded by God will be the ones deceived. It will be these people who will not only look for but actually receive the Antichrist. And I find Arminians will be the ones leading the way.
1 John 3:2-3 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
And I see Him as He is described in the Bible. Those that do not KNOW the Scripture as commanded by God will be the ones deceived. It will be these people who will not only look for but actually receive the Antichrist. And I find Arminians will be the ones leading the way.
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Daniel 12:
[SUP]11[/SUP] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
And from the time [ that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, ] there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
The abomination of desolation occurs at the start of the 1290 days.
The next question to answer is:
"There shall be 1290 days -- from the abomination of desolation -- until what [ exactly ] ... ???"
[SUP]11[/SUP] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
And from the time [ that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, ] there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
The abomination of desolation occurs at the start of the 1290 days.
The next question to answer is:
"There shall be 1290 days -- from the abomination of desolation -- until what [ exactly ] ... ???"
What do you think?
Destruction of the temple.
What do you think?
What do you think?
12 Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.
13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled under foot?"
14 And he said to me, "For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed."
The Maccabean Revolt was a conflict, lasting from 167 to 160 BC, between a Judean rebel group known as the Maccabees and the Seleucid Empire. In the narrative of I Maccabees, after Antiochus issued his decrees forbidding Jewish religious practice, a rural Jewish priest from Modiin, Mattathias the Hasmonean, sparked the revolt against the Seleucid Empire by refusing to worship the Greek gods. Mattathias killed a Hellenistic Jew who stepped forward to offer a sacrifice to an idol in Mattathias' place. He and his five sons fled to the wilderness of Judah. After Mattathias' death about one year later in 166 BC, his son Judah Maccabee led an army of Jewish dissidents to victory over the Seleucid dynasty in guerrilla warfare, which at first was directed against Hellenized Jews, of whom there were many. The Maccabees destroyed pagan altars in the villages, circumcised boys and forced Jews into outlawry.[SUP][1][/SUP] The term Maccabees as used to describe the Jewish army is taken from the Hebrew word for "hammer".[SUP][2][/SUP]
The revolt itself involved many battles, in which the Maccabean forces gained notoriety among the Seleucid army for their use of guerrilla tactics. After the victory, the Maccabees entered Jerusalem in triumph and ritually cleansed the Temple, reestablishing traditional Jewish worship there and installing Jonathan Maccabee as high priest. A large Seleucid army was sent to quash the revolt, but returned to Syria on the death of Antiochus IV. Its commander Lysias, preoccupied with internal Seleucid affairs, agreed to a political compromise that restored religious freedom.
The temple was destroyed in AD 70. There was no Abomination of Desolation set up then.