I don't have any desire to hurt anyone ever. I don't even like to watch boxing or MMA. There is a difference in wanting to be a hero and doing what is right. I am more capable than most to handle emergencies. I give all the glory to God. With that being said I just don't shirk my responsibilities, I don't turn away. If I am faced with a situation I will engage it. Be it someone choking, panicking or a bear. Jason, if you have the calling to put yourself on the line to save people then I think you should embrace that.
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I agree 100%!
And that is having a TRUE RELATIONSHIP with Christ.
If we are in tune with what God has to tell us He will guide us.
Only a fool is blind but one who watches closely and with eyes wide open sees things coming!
Isaiah 44:18
They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
And that is having a TRUE RELATIONSHIP with Christ.
If we are in tune with what God has to tell us He will guide us.
Only a fool is blind but one who watches closely and with eyes wide open sees things coming!
Isaiah 44:18
They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
I really do love, my friend. But I have no desire to fight others physically anymore. Christ took that away from me. My desire is to love and to spread the gospel and fight spiritual battles and to walk by faith in His Word.
I think for now, it is best we agree to disagree for now.
I will be praying that you re-examine the Scriptures with a fresh pair of eyes on the topic.
I will praying that God will show you what He has showed me.
Anyways, may the Lord's love shine upon you in a great way today, my friend.
And may you please be well.
I think for now, it is best we agree to disagree for now.
I will be praying that you re-examine the Scriptures with a fresh pair of eyes on the topic.
I will praying that God will show you what He has showed me.
Anyways, may the Lord's love shine upon you in a great way today, my friend.
And may you please be well.
There are those that live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God,
Ie: Luke 12:4 "I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. 5"But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him! 6"Are not five sparrows sold for two cents? Yet not one of them is forgotten before God.…
Romans 8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36Just as it is written, "FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG; WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED."…
And then there are those who can't even talk the talk let alone walk in the spirit.
Ie: nothing here..........but echos of the faithless heart
What a sharp contrast between physical people living spiritually and physical people spiritually blinded.
1 Kings 19:11 So He said, "Go forth and stand on the mountain before the LORD." And behold, the LORD was passing by! And a great and strong wind was rending the mountains and breaking in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind. And after the wind an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake. 12After the earthquake a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire; and after the fire a sound of a gentle blowing. 13When Elijah heard it, he wrapped his face in his mantle and went out and stood in the entrance of the cave. And behold, a voice came to him and said, "What are you doing here, Elijah?"…
When you truly trust in God with yours and your neighbors and families well being, beatings and rape and murder
are for God to deal with oh little fearfull Elijahs with guns.
Ie: Luke 12:4 "I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. 5"But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him! 6"Are not five sparrows sold for two cents? Yet not one of them is forgotten before God.…
Romans 8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36Just as it is written, "FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG; WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED."…
And then there are those who can't even talk the talk let alone walk in the spirit.
Ie: nothing here..........but echos of the faithless heart
What a sharp contrast between physical people living spiritually and physical people spiritually blinded.
1 Kings 19:11 So He said, "Go forth and stand on the mountain before the LORD." And behold, the LORD was passing by! And a great and strong wind was rending the mountains and breaking in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind. And after the wind an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake. 12After the earthquake a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire; and after the fire a sound of a gentle blowing. 13When Elijah heard it, he wrapped his face in his mantle and went out and stood in the entrance of the cave. And behold, a voice came to him and said, "What are you doing here, Elijah?"…
When you truly trust in God with yours and your neighbors and families well being, beatings and rape and murder
are for God to deal with oh little fearfull Elijahs with guns.
Oba 1:11 "In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them."
There was the occasion the enemy (Chaldeans) attacked Jerusalem/Israelites and the Israelites brothers, the Edomites, stood passively by and watched and one of the reasons God condemned Edom was for their not helping their brethren fight off the enemy, God looked at the Edomites as one of the enemies for just standing and watching.
Num 32:22,23 just being passive in not doing what the Lord has said is sinful.
Eph 5:29 there is a natural instinct in man to care, provide and protect himself and he is to use that natural instinct also for his wife, v31.
Mt 24:43 "But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up."
The homeowner has a right to protect and defend his property.
Jn 18:36 "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."
Jesus did not oppose fighting when deemed necessary.
Lk 11:21,22 "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils."
A man is safe when he is 'armed' from attack. A homeowner matches his attacker with same force the attacker brings.
Mt 5:39 has to do with taking retaliation/revenge not self-defense. The Christian is not to retaliate or take revenge for "...avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." Rom 12:19
There was the occasion the enemy (Chaldeans) attacked Jerusalem/Israelites and the Israelites brothers, the Edomites, stood passively by and watched and one of the reasons God condemned Edom was for their not helping their brethren fight off the enemy, God looked at the Edomites as one of the enemies for just standing and watching.
Num 32:22,23 just being passive in not doing what the Lord has said is sinful.
Eph 5:29 there is a natural instinct in man to care, provide and protect himself and he is to use that natural instinct also for his wife, v31.
Mt 24:43 "But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up."
The homeowner has a right to protect and defend his property.
Jn 18:36 "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."
Jesus did not oppose fighting when deemed necessary.
Lk 11:21,22 "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils."
A man is safe when he is 'armed' from attack. A homeowner matches his attacker with same force the attacker brings.
Mt 5:39 has to do with taking retaliation/revenge not self-defense. The Christian is not to retaliate or take revenge for "...avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." Rom 12:19
Jesus used parables about spiritual truths. The main issue of the parable was not self-protection but Jesus condoned self-protection in revealing the underlying truth. "Parable" comes from the Greek parabole which means to place one thing along side another for the purpose of comparison. Jesus "threw along side" earthly truths (self-protection) to compare to spiritual truths.
If a "strong man" breaks in and rapes the homeowner's wife, is the homeowner to "turn the other cheek" and lead the strong man to his his daughters to them rape also? Of course not.
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While I can 'preach' that Christians have no justification for war, I do so while being protected by the most powerful warriors in the world today. And our society is protected by policemen without which anarchy would rule the streets. The freedoms and liberty we have in America would not exist without such protection.
That I am a pacifist does not mean I condemn others who disagree and believe they are called to protect and even war. I do not believe pacifism is a sin which is the title of this thread, in saying that I do not believe all who go to war are sinners for doing so. Surely we can reach a balance in our understanding and realize that God judges both the pacifist and warrior, both being convinced in their own minds they are walking with Christ.
Just a thought.
That I am a pacifist does not mean I condemn others who disagree and believe they are called to protect and even war. I do not believe pacifism is a sin which is the title of this thread, in saying that I do not believe all who go to war are sinners for doing so. Surely we can reach a balance in our understanding and realize that God judges both the pacifist and warrior, both being convinced in their own minds they are walking with Christ.
Just a thought.
Jesus did not endorse the dishonesty of the steward but called him unrighteous, Lk 16:8:
What About the Unrighteous Steward?
Now to the case at hand. It can hardly be fairly suggested that Jesus endorsed the chicanery of the manipulative servant, since the Lord, as the narrator of this story, characterized the man as an unrighteous steward (v. 8). The term “unrighteous” is a strong one in Greek. For example, elsewhere it is used of the treacherous act of Judas in receiving a reward for betraying Christ (Acts 1:18).
The subsequent commendation of the unrighteous steward comes from his master (the very person who had been wronged), and the expression of admiration was not on account of the dishonesty. Rather, it was for a solitary, isolated trait—that of showing shrewdness in taking advantage of one’s present opportunities to provide for his future welfare.
To press it beyond that principle is to seriously abuse the story, and such reveals more of the critics’ desperation than anything else.
Consider the Reaction of Christ’s Audience
Is it not revealing that the Pharisees, who were “lovers of money,” and who “scoffed” at Christ on this occasion, nevertheless did not raise the charge that Jesus was promoting dishonest conduct among his disciples? Other ridiculous allegations were made from time to time, but this one never was.
By What Standard Will You Judge Christ?
Finally, those who censure the alleged compromise of ethics in this parable are obliged to show by what rule they make moral judgments.
If, for example, there is no God (as atheists contend), hence, no ultimate ethical standard, why should the steward’s conduct be judged “evil”?
Or Jesus’ supposed endorsement of it? If the ideology of “situation ethics” is permissible, why was not this a “situation” which justified the steward’s fraud? The critic ever is entangled in the web of his own spinning.
References
What About the Unrighteous Steward?
Now to the case at hand. It can hardly be fairly suggested that Jesus endorsed the chicanery of the manipulative servant, since the Lord, as the narrator of this story, characterized the man as an unrighteous steward (v. 8). The term “unrighteous” is a strong one in Greek. For example, elsewhere it is used of the treacherous act of Judas in receiving a reward for betraying Christ (Acts 1:18).
The subsequent commendation of the unrighteous steward comes from his master (the very person who had been wronged), and the expression of admiration was not on account of the dishonesty. Rather, it was for a solitary, isolated trait—that of showing shrewdness in taking advantage of one’s present opportunities to provide for his future welfare.
To press it beyond that principle is to seriously abuse the story, and such reveals more of the critics’ desperation than anything else.
Consider the Reaction of Christ’s Audience
Is it not revealing that the Pharisees, who were “lovers of money,” and who “scoffed” at Christ on this occasion, nevertheless did not raise the charge that Jesus was promoting dishonest conduct among his disciples? Other ridiculous allegations were made from time to time, but this one never was.
By What Standard Will You Judge Christ?
Finally, those who censure the alleged compromise of ethics in this parable are obliged to show by what rule they make moral judgments.
If, for example, there is no God (as atheists contend), hence, no ultimate ethical standard, why should the steward’s conduct be judged “evil”?
Or Jesus’ supposed endorsement of it? If the ideology of “situation ethics” is permissible, why was not this a “situation” which justified the steward’s fraud? The critic ever is entangled in the web of his own spinning.
References
- Dungan, D. R. (n.d.). Hermeneutics — A Text-book. Cincinnati, OH: Standard.
- Lockhart, Clinton (n.d.). Principles of Interpretation. Delight, AR: Gospel Light.
- https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1108-did-jesus-christ-endorse-dishonesty
- "Did Jesus Endorse Dishonesty?" by Wayne Jackson
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No doubt and I agree......to walk by faith is to have the ability to understand and see what God is leading you to do as each situation arises for sure......and to respond in a manner that is biblical....the path is narrow for sure, but lined with boundaries on both sides and as long as you stay within the boundaries you will be right before God in your actions and deeds!
