The Sin of Pacifism

[dcontroversal]

Many would say that Marine Corps doctrine (or military doctrine as a whole) is demonic. Especially with what you have just said, that just seems to add to that statement. This is even coming from non-pacifists in the military. I've talked to a number of people who have admitted that the military is not a good place for Christians and the stuff we do can be satanic.

So...many would also say you came from an ape or electrified pool of protein filled sludge...does that make them right?
And for the (number) of people you have talked to...I can easily say the same thing about my stance....people who have studied 20, 30, 40, 50 years intently......so....Your points are moot!

 

[dcontroversal]

Please inform us about your experience with the military.

Like the years and years of experience that you have as well right?..........HAH!

 

[elf3]

You cant help those who are willfully ignorant no more than you can help the heroin addict that refuses to quit buying and shooting heroin!

You are absolutely correct. Shows how highly we value life that we are too afraid to kill one person to save many lives.

 

[dcontroversal]

Wow, you really do have an answer for everything. Can you say it just once "I'm a sinner and sometimes I'm wrong", I know I am.

You can forget that one.....He rejects truth, embellishes the word and stands on his man made doctrine......Just like Jesus driving the money changers from the temple....go read what he said about that...He starts off with I don't believe....says it all!

 

[elf3]

You can forget that one.....He rejects truth, embellishes the word and stands on his man made doctrine......Just like Jesus driving the money changers from the temple....go read what he said about that...He starts off with I don't believe....says it all!

Well then there is the whole water turned into grape juice thing...don't forget about that one.

 

[dcontroversal]

This is a very sad and disturbing thread. I can't believe that there are those who would stand idly by and watch their family being savaged because of their twisted view of scripture. I find this to be appalling.

That is what you get when you have people who reject truth, embellish truth, twist truth, deny truth while standing on their own twisted man made doctrine.......imagine being a spouse to one of them....your being assaulted and HE stands there and prays....while your being choked out, you are wondering why HE is doing nothing...NO LOVE THERE for SURE!

 

[Deadtosin]

This thread has without doubt the most disgustingly twisted doctrine I've ever read. As in, makes me physically ill. I just picture a little girl being kidnapped and beaten, and in her fear she looks around hopefully for her father. She spots him and for just a second her eyes show strength knowing he will protect her. Only.. He doesn't.. Her heart breaks and the fear returns, but this time it's worse than before, she has been betrayed and her hope is lost. This is stupid, callous and an epic failure on every side. I've never been ashamed of my brethren before.. I am utterly ashamed.

 

[mpaper345]

When Peter smote the ear of the servant Jesus told him to put away the sword for if you use the sword you shall perish with the sword.

In the book of Revelation when the beast makes war against the saints God warns them to not fight back for they will suffer the same fate they dish out.

Jesus said be wise as serpents but be harmless as doves and if they hit you on one cheek turn the other cheek to them to strike.

God said vengenace is mine I will repay,which God is saying for us to not fight physically against anybody.God will handle it and no evil can befall anybody anyway unless God allows it which they could not touch Jesus until it was time.

If no evil can befall anybody unless God allows it then to intercede physically to harm someone seems like it would be going against God,which God said if you rebel against the government then you are going against God for that government cannot operate unless God allows it.

Nothing can happen unless God allows it and Jesus told us not to fight physically no matter what for then we are acting like them and if they are with God then everything is alright for to perish is to be with the Lord,and if they are not with God then they do not have His protection so who is someone is to protect them and harm someone else.

God said vengeance is mine I will repay so do not take vengeance out on anyone but allow God to do His will.

That is the understanding I get from the Bible.

When the saints were being persecuted at the time of the disciples in the book of Acts it never mentions they went about fighting physically against people to avenge them.

 

[dcontroversal]

When Peter smote the ear of the servant Jesus told him to put away the sword for if you use the sword you shall perish with the sword.

In the book of Revelation when the beast makes war against the saints God warns them to not fight back for they will suffer the same fate they dish out.

Jesus said be wise as serpents but be harmless as doves and if they hit you on one cheek turn the other cheek to them to strike.

God said vengenace is mine I will repay,which God is saying for us to not fight physically against anybody.God will handle it and no evil can befall anybody anyway unless God allows it which they could not touch Jesus until it was time.

If no evil can befall anybody unless God allows it then to intercede physically to harm someone seems like it would be going against God,which God said if you rebel against the government then you are going against God for that government cannot operate unless God allows it.

Nothing can happen unless God allows it and Jesus told us not to fight physically no matter what for then we are acting like them and if they are with God then everything is alright for to perish is to be with the Lord,and if they are not with God then they do not have His protection so who is someone is to protect them and harm someone else.

God said vengeance is mine I will repay so do not take vengeance out on anyone but allow God to do His will.

That is the understanding I get from the Bible.

When the saints were being persecuted at the time of the disciples in the book of Acts it never mentions they went about fighting physically against people to avenge them.

MAYBE re-read all posts...WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A SAINT being persecuted to death for the cause of Christ, but rather the COMMON decency of defending a little child being raped and murdered by a lost man or a little old lady being beaten to death and robbed by a gang banger.....There is a difference and if you honestly believe that GOD would expect a man to stand idly by while the above takes place...tells me all I need to know about your understanding for sure!

 

[Deadtosin]

I can't participate in this thread anymore. I'm ashamed of every one of you who would let a child be tortured. God give me peace- and God save you- (yes, at this point I feel like I am praying for my enemies)

 

[dcontroversal]

This thread has without doubt the most disgustingly twisted doctrine I've ever read. As in, makes me physically ill. I just picture a little girl being kidnapped and beaten, and in her fear she looks around hopefully for her father. She spots him and for just a second her eyes show strength knowing he will protect her. Only.. He doesn't.. Her heart breaks and the fear returns, but this time it's worse than before, she has been betrayed and her hope is lost. This is stupid, callous and an epic failure on every side. I've never been ashamed of my brethren before.. I am utterly ashamed.

I totally agree....just shows we are fast approaching the end of the age....ever learning and NEVER able to come to the knowledge of the truth and giving heed to fables and lies while rejecting the obvious truth!

Can you imagine a (so-called) believer (man or woman) standing idly by while a little child or an little old lady is being raped, beaten and or murdered and God taking pleasure in that.....I am the Lord thy God I CHANGE NOT there is a TIME to KILL and a time to HEAL<----Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and for ever....The principles of the WORD remain the same throughout all ages....NUTS and Stupid are two words that come to mind for sure...Maybe even cowards hiding behind falsehoods and man made doctrines for sure!

 

[gzusfrk]

There is more than one way to skin a cat, so to say( I dont skin cats). What if I see 2 big guys beating a little old lady so I go over and try to stop it knocking one of the guys to the ground he hits his head on the concrete and dies the other guy runs off, the lady ask me why I would risk my life to save her, I tell her I am a christian and I am suppose to help people and she says what is a christian? so I tell her, she believes and is saved. Had I done nothing she might have died a non-christian, and the evil guys would continue their evil, because most of those kinds of people are dead mens bones.

 

[elf3]

This is getting ridiculous. Let's all just sit back and watch as people are dying.

My trigger finger is getting itchy just thinking of only watching and not acting.

 

[elf3]

It's hard to comprehend the thinking behind not acting. I can understand not wanting to kill anyone because I don't want to kill anyone either. But to not do anything but sit and watch. I just really don't understand that thinking of indifference.

 

[dcontroversal]

It's hard to comprehend the thinking behind not acting. I can understand not wanting to kill anyone because I don't want to kill anyone either. But to not do anything but sit and watch. I just really don't understand that thinking of indifference.

No doubt as I agree HAHAHAHh for sure!

 

[tourist]

No doubt as I agree HAHAHAHh for sure!

I don't understand some of these responses at all. In the bible it talks about putting on the full armor of God. I don't believe that the purpose of this is to take an idle walk in the park and watch innocent people be savaged by barbarians. It is time for some people to man-up. Or re-up, but that is a military term that is not widely understood by those hiding behind a sign protesting the war.

 

[blue_ladybug]

When a person would rather stand and pray while a robbery, rape, murder etc is taking place, instead of taking action to step in and stop it, is beyond me!! Don't get me wrong, I believe in prayer, but NOT when someone's life and/or safety is at risk..Because while you're praying "God please stop this from happening," that person is STILL being raped, shot, and stabbed!!

I agree totally with Deadtosin and elf3. This thread has gotten BEYOND shocking AND ridiculous. It now borders on the idiotic and completely incomprehensible. ANYONE should be willing to step in and help someone from being hurt--not only christians are accountable to that.

To whoever would rather stand by and watch evil happen next time: if you watch a rape or robbery or whatever happen and don't intervene, you're just as guilty as the perpetrator themself is!! I wonder what kind of lame answer you will give God someday when he asks you "why did'nt you stop that robbery? why did'nt you help that man who got stabbed"??

I do NOT think God will accept the excuse, "But Lord, you said not to resist evil, that's why I did'nt step in"!

Just sayin'.....

 

[elf3]

I don't understand some of these responses as all. In the bible it talks about putting on the full armor of God. I don't believe that the purpose of this is to take an idle walk in the park and watch innocent people be savaged by barbarians. It is time for some people to man-up. Or re-up, but that is a military term that is not widely understood by those hiding behind a sign protesting the war.

I think most of us know the man - up meaning (or at least they should understand the term). Shoot ladybug said she would fight back. What does that say for some others here lol

 

[JesusIsAll]

Psalms 82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

Proverbs 24:10-11 If you faint in the day of adversity, your strength is small. Deliver those who are drawn toward death, and hold back those stumbling to the slaughter.

Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman's hand.

Luke 22:52 Then Jesus said to the chief priests, captains of the temple, and the elders who had come to Him, "Have you come out, as against a robber, with swords and clubs?"

 

[tourist]

There is a time for everything.

Ecclesiastes 3

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: [SUP]2 [/SUP]A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
[SUP]5 [/SUP]A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.


Proverbs 20:30King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]30 [/SUP]The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.

These are rules of engagement.