Contradiction of WORDS

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elf3

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Alligator said:
complete nonsense. What you are really saying is we don't ever have to,obey any of God's commands. Why should we inconvenience ourselves, we're saved anyway no matter what we do or think.
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I never said don't obey God's commands not even once. You just took my words and twisted them as you are doing with God's Word. I said we are not saved by anything but the Work of Christ. We still have to obey God's moral commands.

It's amazing how you twist words.
 
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elf3 said:
I never said don't obey God's commands not even once. You just took my words and twisted them as you are doing with God's Word. I said we are not saved by anything but the Work of Christ. We still have to obey God's moral commands.

It's amazing how you twist words.
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And what we don't obey His commands?
 
posthuman

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Alligator said:
complete nonsense. What you are really saying is we don't ever have to,obey any of God's commands. Why should we inconvenience ourselves, we're saved anyway no matter what we do or think.
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seriously dude, you don't have to hold eternal condemnation & hellfire over my head before i'm willing to do some work. gratitude & love are motivation enough.
are we called to be sons & daughters or wage-slaves?
 
dcontroversal

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posthuman said:

seriously dude, you don't have to hold eternal condemnation & hellfire over my head before i'm willing to do some work. gratitude & love are motivation enough.
are we called to be sons & daughters or wage-slaves?
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According to their heretical works for salvation God OWES you salvation based upon your human abilities...it is of debt not of grace and free based upon mercy.......NOT!
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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Alligator said:
complete nonsense. What you are really saying is we don't ever have to,obey any of God's commands. Why should we inconvenience ourselves, we're saved anyway no matter what we do or think.
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Hey gecko...this is another lying assumption that works for salvation heretics spread about people who understand that it is BY GRACE that you ARE SAVED OUT OF FAITH.....NOT one person who believes in salvation by grace through faith on this site teaches the lie that you and sea perch spread about us saying that YOU do not have to follow God's word.
 
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psychomom

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dcontroversal said:
According to their heretical works for salvation God OWES you salvation based upon your human abilities...it is of debt not of grace and free based upon mercy.......NOT!
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and, sadly, it implies there's something lacking in the Work of Christ on our behalf... :(
 
dcontroversal

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psychomom said:
and, sadly, it implies there's something lacking in the Work of Christ on our behalf... :(
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Yes in deed...It states clearly that the work of Christ was not complete or good enough and disregards the fact that the completed work of Christ satisfied the will of the Father and disregards the fact that our complete salvation is based upon the perfect FAITH of JESUS........!
 
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CRC

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7 None of them can ever redeem a brother
Or give to God a ransom for him,
8 (The ransom price for their life is so precious
That it is always beyond their reach); Psalms 49:7.8 No amount of work could ever yield the price required for redemption! Is is indeed a gift! Undeserved kindness and grace from a loving God! ( John 3:16)
 
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Alligator said:
complete nonsense. What you are really saying is we don't ever have to,obey any of God's commands. Why should we inconvenience ourselves, we're saved anyway no matter what we do or think.
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dcontroversal said:
Hey gecko...this is another lying assumption that works for salvation heretics spread about people who understand that it is BY GRACE that you ARE SAVED OUT OF FAITH.....NOT one person who believes in salvation by grace through faith on this site teaches the lie that you and sea perch spread about us saying that YOU do not have to follow God's word.
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And I ask again, what happens to one who does not obey God?
 
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dcontroversal said:
Yes in deed...It states clearly that the work of Christ was not complete or good enough and disregards the fact that the completed work of Christ satisfied the will of the Father and disregards the fact that our complete salvation is based upon the perfect FAITH of JESUS........!
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You see, this is what you have to,resort,to to,avoid answering tough questions. It is the biggest lie,on this forum. More times than I can count I have said that Christ is our savior,He has done His part. But we also,have our part to do to accept His Grace.
Salvation has always been conditional. Does,rhat mean we are earning our salvation? How silly.
 
dcontroversal

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And I ask again, what happens to one who does not obey God?
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If they are genuinely born again they will be whipped as in CHASTISMENT which yields the peaceable fruits of righteousness
as there is not one man that is without sin....

A Lost man will have no conscience of his sin and will live a continual lifestyle of sin whereas a saved child of God can and does sin, but will be convicted and come back to God....

Hebrews, 1st John, prodigal son etc. PAUL who wrote almost half of the N.T. said that he was number 1 chief sinner among men...said the things he said he would do he didn't, the things he would not do he did and even said that when he goes to do GOOD hat he finds a law the SIN IS PRESENT WITH HIM.....

Salvation has nothing at all to do with works period as it is based upon the perfect faith of JESUS and someone who is saved will make a reasonable attempt to follow the word...but in a HOUSE there are many VESSELS SOME to HONOR and some that are not AS HONORABLE!
 
dcontroversal

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Alligator said:
You see, this is what you have to,resort,to to,avoid answering tough questions. It is the biggest lie,on this forum. More times than I can count I have said that Christ is our savior,He has done His part. But we also,have our part to do to accept His Grace.
Salvation has always been conditional. Does,rhat mean we are earning our salvation? How silly.
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No what is silly is to say that something that is called a FREE GIFT is conditional.....now that is silly for sure!
 
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elf3

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elf3 said:
I never said don't obey God's commands not even once. You just took my words and twisted them as you are doing with God's Word. I said we are not saved by anything but the Work of Christ. We still have to obey God's moral commands.

It's amazing how you twist words.
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Alligator said:
And what we don't obey His commands?
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Crocogator did you not actually read my post? I quote from my own post "we still have to obey God's moral commands". All of the ceremonial commands of God were done away with on the cross. God's moral commands are still and ever will be in effect. I am sorry you misunderstood the word "moral".
 
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elf3

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Funny cause I have been saying that about the word "free" on another forum but I guess that word doesn't mean what I think it means. I never knew that free costs something. That's actually kinda good cause now I can collect up on all the free stuff I have given away. I figure that's about 100,000$ nice round number. Can we collect on free advice? OK add 100,000$. Sweet I need some money anyway.
 
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posthuman said:

seriously dude, you don't have to hold eternal condemnation & hellfire over my head before i'm willing to do some work. gratitude & love are motivation enough.
are we called to be sons & daughters or wage-slaves?
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Sorry...................
 
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jdbear

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john832 said:
These blanket statements that simply ignore scripture do nothing for my understanding. Wanna impress me? Show me the scriptures.
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Good idea:

"...I will cause My fury to rest upon them...and they will know that I am the Lord..." Eze.5:13

"....I have told you before...that ye might believe." Jn.14:29

"...by reason of him (Lazarus), many...believed on Jesus." Jn.12:11

God acts in our lives so we have faith. Nothing confusing about that.
 
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