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There are weekly Sabbaths and yearly Sabbaths, the yearly Sabbath can fall on any day.
I was addressing the Sabbaths in the beginning, but according to the New Testament Hebrew tradition, you are right. I think it is really important to set aside, at the very least, one day every 7 to rest in the Lord and converse with God, brothers and sisters in Christ. I wasn't refuting a weekly Sabbath, but pointing out that we really don't know the specific day according to the calculations in the beginning. The Gregorian calendar has no comparison with the Hebrew calendar. It could be every Wednesday as far as I know. (smile)

AS I said :eek: "I may run into trouble on this one" LOL

By the way....I appreciate you and the good things in Christ that you present to conversation.
 
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I was addressing the Sabbaths in the beginning, but according to the New Testament Hebrew tradition, you are right. I think it is really important to set aside, at the very least, one day every 7 to rest in the Lord and converse with God, brothers and sisters in Christ. I wasn't refuting a weekly Sabbath, but pointing out that we really don't know the specific day according to the calculations in the beginning. The Gregorian calendar has no comparison with the Hebrew calendar. It could be every Wednesday as far as I know. (smile)

AS I said :eek: "I may run into trouble on this one" LOL

By the way....I appreciate you and the good things in Christ that you present to conversation.
lol no trouble, and thank you, I likewise appreciate your input and demeanor in presenting stuff. :) God bless you brother in Christ.
 

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There are weekly Sabbaths and yearly Sabbaths, the yearly Sabbath can fall on any day.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to LEPIDUS again.
 

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I was addressing the Sabbaths in the beginning, but according to the New Testament Hebrew tradition, you are right. I think it is really important to set aside, at the very least, one day every 7 to rest in the Lord and converse with God, brothers and sisters in Christ. I wasn't refuting a weekly Sabbath, but pointing out that we really don't know the specific day according to the calculations in the beginning. The Gregorian calendar has no comparison with the Hebrew calendar. It could be every Wednesday as far as I know. (smile)

AS I said :eek: "I may run into trouble on this one" LOL

By the way....I appreciate you and the good things in Christ that you present to conversation.
Sure we do, the seven day cycle of the week is not dependent on a calendar and has not been broken since creation.
 
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In Genesis 6:3

This is what is meant by the 120 years. Then His Spirit will no longer contend with man.
This is talking about angels that fell with Lucifer and took upon themselves human flesh but not humans that God made.

genesis 6:1-4
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose .
3 And the LORD said , My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh : yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

sons of God=fallen angels and their offsprings were giants.

Noah lived a whole lot longer than 120 years after the flood.

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up , and the windows of heaven were opened .
 
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The commandments are to love one another as He loved us. That is all.
We know love is all, but you are leaving out the very first commandment stated in both the new and old testament, for you guys who are so sure that God changed His ways between commandments, and that is to love the Lord. Loving one another is like to it. If you do that, can you possibility say that you want nothing to do with the scriptures about how to carry out that love that the love of your life gives you? When you say "that is all" it sounds as if you are stopping yourself for hearing anything else, is that your meaning?
 

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OK, so by this you are saying that Gods commandments are 1 believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ and 2 love one another, as Christ gave us commandment. And if we keep these commandments we dwell in Christ, and Christ in us, and God abideth in us by the Spirit he gave us.

OK, so I wanted to establish what you are saying with this verse. Am I correct is this what you are saying?




It is so easy to use three verses, take it out of context and establish a new commandment, sad, but true.


Lets address your assertion.

Lets establish one thing first.


1 John 2:


3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

So from NT scripture we can see that there is no new commandment given but an old commandment that has been heard since the beginning. Where do you find them, you might ask ?

Leviticus 19:15-18
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge , nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

We can see it was previously commanded.


Deuteronomy 6:1-6
1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged .
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 Hear , O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
OK, we can see that it is not a new commandment, it was first given to the house of Israel because the gospel had not been spoken to the gentiles, and when it came to the gentiles, the commandment didnt change it was already there.

Like just-me stated God checks to see if we love him, this is one example:


Deuteronomy 13:1-3
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass , whereof he spake unto thee, saying , Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known , and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Again from NT we can see no new commandment was given.



1 John 4


11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.


19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.


20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.


21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.


22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

and then it goes on to say what you try to use as a new and only commandment we art to follow. I don't think you know why he gave those commandments. I will show you towards the end.



23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.


24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Again he give the same commandment but in a different phrase


1John 4:
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.


1John 5
2By this we know that we love the children of God (others), when we love God, and keep his commandments.

So this is saying we know when we love our neighbors, when we LOVE GOD AND KEEP GODS COMMANDMENTS.


1John 5

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

LOL and then it goes on to finish the last chapter of that book by encouraging to keep ourself from idols, one of The Ten Commandments.


1 John 5
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

And again in NT no new commandment



2 John 1:
5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.


6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments.This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

So the commandment he is giving is that we walk after The Commandments given from the beginning.

The following is advice


2 John 1:

8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.


9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.


10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

So I think we need to ask this question again, " What is Gods commandments?"

From scripture I have established that we believe in his son name to be able to believe what Christ said, which was to walk in the commandments heard since the beginning.

earlier I said I would tell you why he said that.

Matthew 22:

36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

If we don't love God with all our mind, heart and soul we wont keep the commandments that have to do with him which are four.

If we don't love our neighbors like ourselves we wont keep the commandments that have to do with other which are the last 6.

So tell me again, what are the commandments God wants us to keep?

Obey ONLY the NT?

The commandments of Christ was to magnify The Ten Commandments.



Jesus Plainly taught "A NEW Commandment I give unto You, Love One Another" When Jesus said a NEW commandment, He made ALL other commandments OLD. I believe every word of the Bible, I do not pick and choose which verses I will believe and which verses I have to interpret away or make void to suit my own beliefs.
If the Apostle John tells us plainly what HIS commandments are, I choose to believe what he plainly told us. Many who do not believe what the Apostle John plainly tells us, will interpret it to mean something other than what it plainly says. They do this because they do not agree with what he says. Plainly the Apostle John tells us what His Commandments are. leave it to this generation to not believe him, and to try to change what he said to mean something completely different. This is a wicked generation before the Lord God Almighty in these last days. It is better to simply believe what the Word of God plainly teaches, than to try to change His Word to fit your own beliefs.
His Commandments are to believe on Jesus Christ and to Love One Another, that is what the Word of God teaches, NOT what I teach, but what the Word of God plainly teaches. You will find NO Apostle nor Jesus Himself teaching Christians to continue to keep the 10 commandments which was a covenant (old) given to the Israelites to follow and obey. But leave it to this generation to negate plain teachings from the Apostles, to follow their own misguided thinking.
If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is in error. Interpretations belong to God, not to man.

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If i tell you, will you believe the Truth? The Question is What are His Commandments, false doctrine teaches His commandments are the ten commandments. However Scriptures teaches us plainly what His Commandments are:

I John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of Him, because we keep His commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment, (Pay attention here, Scriptures is about to plainly tell us what HIS COMMANDMENTS are) That we should (1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and (2) love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and He in him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.


OK, so by this you are saying that Gods commandments are 1 believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ and 2 love one another, as Christ gave us commandment. And if we keep these commandments we dwell in Christ, and Christ in us, and God abideth in us by the Spirit he gave us.

OK, so I wanted to establish what you are saying with this verse. Am I correct is this what you are saying?


NO, that is not correct, I am not saying that. You keep saying that I am saying that. The Apostle John is the one saying that. You know an Apostle of Jesus Christ. A person who heard first hand the teachings of Jesus Christ for three years. You know the man that Jesus Christ Himself hand picked to write His Words. This man, not me, says that His Commandments are to 1 Believe in the name of Jesus Christ and 2 Love One Another. you do not disagree with me, you disagree with the Apostle who said these things. I said nothing, I merely replied with what the Apostle John told us plainly what His Commandments are. if you do not believe that, then it is not I that you disagree with, but with the Apostle of Jesus Christ. Woe to those who pick and choose which verses they will believe and which ones they will interpret away, make void, ignore, or say that is just out of context, so as to not have to change what they believe to match with what the Word of God plainly teaches. They are lost and will never come to the Truth of God. It is only when a person believes every verse in the Word of God that they can come close to knowing the Truth.

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What Gospel will you preach if there are no commandments? How can you tell someone to turn from sin and follow Christ, if by no laws there is no sin?
There are two commandments, believe on the name of Jesus Christ and to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. If you LOVE one another you will not steal from another, you will not hate upon another, you will not harm another. If you Love One Another, you will feed the hungry, you will clothe the naked, you will help the needy, you will be generous to others, you will give to charities. A person who Truly LOVES ONE ANOTHER abide in Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ will abide in them. Those who do NOT love one another, does not know Christ, nor does HE know them.
A person can keep the 10 commandments perfectly and burn in hell for all eternity. An example, if a person keeps the 10 commandments perfectly yet they hate someone, according to the plain teachings of the Apostles, that person will not enter into Heaven, because they hate someone. Another example: if a person keeps all 10 commandments perfectly, but they do not forgive another of a terrible deed they have done. That person also will not go to Heaven, for it is written if you do not forgive men their trespassed, neither will your Father forgive you of yours. So a person can keep the 10 commandments perfectly and still not go to Heaven because they hate or have unforgiveness in their hearts. Keeping the 10 commandments is NOTHING, Loving one another, not that is commanded of the followers of Jesus Christ. Love one another and you fulfill all the law, as it is written. Woe to this generation who refuses to hear the Truth when it is presented to them.

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If i tell you, will you believe the Truth? The Question is What are His Commandments, false doctrine teaches His commandments are the ten commandments. However Scriptures teaches us plainly what His Commandments are:

I John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of Him, because we keep His commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment, (Pay attention here, Scriptures is about to plainly tell us what HIS COMMANDMENTS are) That we should (1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and (2) love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and He in him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.

It sounds to me like here is a poster with a one tract mind, telling the world it is very plain that everyone should also think the limited way this poster thinks.


Seriously? Can anyone else see where I am saying believe what I say? I plainly teach "Do not believe what men teach, not even me, believe what the Scriptures teach. Men are prone to false doctrines, false motives, easily persuaded by satan. If anyone has read some things at the website God instructed me to put up, would see I can care less about people believing what I say, but to believe what God says, not what men teach. I plainly teach there is ONE Truth, ONE Way to get to Heaven. and that way is the Word of God and what it says and teaches. That way is the Word, which is Jesus Christ.

At least the one track is onto the basic commandment, the one that all other commandments stem from. The problem only comes in with the idea that we must never consider, never think about, never read any scripture but what this poster allows by limited thinking.
Again, who is in your heart to say such things? You accuse me of limited thinking, when all I have done is to say believe what the Apostle John says, believe the Word of God and what it says. How do you say that is limited thinking. OH, I know.

I think the "pay attention here" and "PLAINLY tells us" in this post is sort of funny. Like saying pay attention to me, I tell you not to read any scripture except what I tell you to read.
Seriously? If a person says pay attention the Scriptures is about to tell us something, I have made it about me? Do you have a problem with all preachers? Preachers all over the world say "pay attention here the Word of God is about to tell us something" and according to you, the person who says that is talking about himself. Seriously that is what you believe? Or is it just me your attacking? Love you, and as far as I know, I have never not once said anything at all to offend you. That would be sin according to the Word of God. Have I done something to you to offend you? Reread all that you said, can you not see the hostility? Where is your love for one another? Where is Jesus in you?

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Jesus Plainly taught "A NEW Commandment I give unto You, Love One Another" When Jesus said a NEW commandment, He made ALL other commandments OLD. I believe every word of the Bible, I do not pick and choose which verses I will believe and which verses I have to interpret away or make void to suit my own beliefs.
If the Apostle John tells us plainly what HIS commandments are, I choose to believe what he plainly told us. Many who do not believe what the Apostle John plainly tells us, will interpret it to mean something other than what it plainly says. They do this because they do not agree with what he says. Plainly the Apostle John tells us what His Commandments are. leave it to this generation to not believe him, and to try to change what he said to mean something completely different. This is a wicked generation before the Lord God Almighty in these last days. It is better to simply believe what the Word of God plainly teaches, than to try to change His Word to fit your own beliefs.
His Commandments are to believe on Jesus Christ and to Love One Another, that is what the Word of God teaches, NOT what I teach, but what the Word of God plainly teaches. You will find NO Apostle nor Jesus Himself teaching Christians to continue to keep the 10 commandments which was a covenant (old) given to the Israelites to follow and obey. But leave it to this generation to negate plain teachings from the Apostles, to follow their own misguided thinking.
If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is in error. Interpretations belong to God, not to man.

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You need to reread post #85 again.