Joyce Meyers- false teacher.
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One thing false teaches love to do is take verses out of context, if they're not simply changing the words. They do it because they're liars. They're professionals, so they can't be excused with the presumption that they just don't know better. But, I'm telling you so now you'll know better, Romans 14:10-12 has nothing to with protecting false teachers.
The whole chapter of Romans 14 is about what what people do in good faith. Don't pass judgement on people acting in good faith. Paul is specifically addressing ceremonial law. Jews accepting Christ often had a hard time letting go of the ceremonial law. Paul tells the first century Christians not to judge them (this subject has little application today), and even then, that means nothing about letting them teach their weak faith to others.
Romans 14:1 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. 2 One person believes he may eat anything [even meat sacrificed to pagan idols], while the weak person eats only vegetables [to avoid risk of eating non-kosher meat, a legitimate no-no before Christ].
"For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge... Purge the evil person from among you." - Paul to the Corinthians.
The whole chapter of Romans 14 is about what what people do in good faith. Don't pass judgement on people acting in good faith. Paul is specifically addressing ceremonial law. Jews accepting Christ often had a hard time letting go of the ceremonial law. Paul tells the first century Christians not to judge them (this subject has little application today), and even then, that means nothing about letting them teach their weak faith to others.
Romans 14:1 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. 2 One person believes he may eat anything [even meat sacrificed to pagan idols], while the weak person eats only vegetables [to avoid risk of eating non-kosher meat, a legitimate no-no before Christ].
"For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge... Purge the evil person from among you." - Paul to the Corinthians.
K
I do know all of this, but what I said is to make sure everything they say is false.
I have seen some of Meyers stuff, and even others that people have called false teachers on here. Some of what she and others have said have been bible based, and others they have had wrong. This does not make a false teacher just because they are wrong on some things, it means they need to be corrected.
Meyers lived a lot of her life in anger toward her father. She came around when she finally accept and believed Jesus as her Lord and Savior. She is still learning and growing in the faith just like the rest of us. She has became popular because a lot of women can identify what she has gone through.
A false teacher the bible makes it clear that they will always teach falsely, and twist the scriptures. If some of what they teach is bible based then they are not a false teacher, but still learning and need help to be corrected in those areas. Which is why we are to be for the gathering together, to help each other to grow in knowledge and a better walk with the Lord.
We must take and use Peter as an example.
He was not right in what he did in certain situations, and faltered on more than one occasion. So was he a false teacher?
No he was not, not even when he tried to teach gentile believers they had to follow Jewish traditions that were part of their faith. Paul just corrected him for it, not condemn or call him a false teacher.
I have seen some of Meyers stuff, and even others that people have called false teachers on here. Some of what she and others have said have been bible based, and others they have had wrong. This does not make a false teacher just because they are wrong on some things, it means they need to be corrected.
Meyers lived a lot of her life in anger toward her father. She came around when she finally accept and believed Jesus as her Lord and Savior. She is still learning and growing in the faith just like the rest of us. She has became popular because a lot of women can identify what she has gone through.
A false teacher the bible makes it clear that they will always teach falsely, and twist the scriptures. If some of what they teach is bible based then they are not a false teacher, but still learning and need help to be corrected in those areas. Which is why we are to be for the gathering together, to help each other to grow in knowledge and a better walk with the Lord.
We must take and use Peter as an example.
He was not right in what he did in certain situations, and faltered on more than one occasion. So was he a false teacher?
No he was not, not even when he tried to teach gentile believers they had to follow Jewish traditions that were part of their faith. Paul just corrected him for it, not condemn or call him a false teacher.
K
Yes, but you still have to be careful when labeling somebody as a false teacher.
I have seen some on here, as well as some of the most well known and respected preachers/teachers of the bible be debated with other well known and respected preachers/teachers of the bible on meaning of scriptures.
Only when Jesus Christ comes again will He make all truth come to light.
If there was only way to interpret scripture, we would not have all these different denominations. The scriptures speak differently to people when they read them do to the situation they are in. For God speaks to us through His scriptures, and we are each given a measure of faith that we can handle at the time by what God decides.
Remember what the scriptures say, he who is of the devil can not produce good fruit.
So if they bring others to the Lord, then they would be producing good fruit. A false teacher can not do this.
I have seen some on here, as well as some of the most well known and respected preachers/teachers of the bible be debated with other well known and respected preachers/teachers of the bible on meaning of scriptures.
Only when Jesus Christ comes again will He make all truth come to light.
If there was only way to interpret scripture, we would not have all these different denominations. The scriptures speak differently to people when they read them do to the situation they are in. For God speaks to us through His scriptures, and we are each given a measure of faith that we can handle at the time by what God decides.
Remember what the scriptures say, he who is of the devil can not produce good fruit.
So if they bring others to the Lord, then they would be producing good fruit. A false teacher can not do this.
brother I agree with you to an extent but I disagree as well. Please hear my words as they are intended, with love and patience. We do need to be careful before claiming someone is a false teacher, I didn't state my OP lightly. I truly believe that I looked into this fairly, that's why I searched "Joyce Meyer greatest teachings" I wanted what people had believed was her greatest work. I know that this is not full proof, but I tried. To say that only when Jesus comes back will the truth come to light, I don't agree with that. Why warn us if we had no way to discern? and as far as false teachers on CC, okay, that's true, but television pastors effect far more people and also they have much more documented teachings that we can decipher from. Also you are right, many people decipher scripture differently, but this isn't grape juice and wine where we can argue a dictionary definition, in the video I analyzed she touched nowhere near truth. To go a little further, she does emphasize on the importance of how we view ourselves, that we should "speak" our realities into existence. Now as far as "by their fruit you will know them, I think that actually supports my argument. Lets say she has a networth of 25,000,000 dollars. Why is she still asking for money?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And they spake unto Moses, saying, The people bring much more than enough for the service of the work, which the Lord commanded to make.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And Moses gave commandment, and they caused it to be proclaimed throughout the camp, saying, Let neither man nor woman make any more work for the offering of the sanctuary. So the people were restrained from bringing.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the stuff they had was sufficient for all the work to make it, and too much.
Now, I'm not trying to rely on any one thing. Let's add all of this together, and can you honestly tell me that anything in the OP video was biblically accurate?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And they spake unto Moses, saying, The people bring much more than enough for the service of the work, which the Lord commanded to make.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And Moses gave commandment, and they caused it to be proclaimed throughout the camp, saying, Let neither man nor woman make any more work for the offering of the sanctuary. So the people were restrained from bringing.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the stuff they had was sufficient for all the work to make it, and too much.
Now, I'm not trying to rely on any one thing. Let's add all of this together, and can you honestly tell me that anything in the OP video was biblically accurate?
K
Yes I see where you are coming from, and I myself do not like a lot of what televangelist do.
The reason I say all truth will come to light when Jesus comes back is because when that event takes place we will be able to look back on scriptures that we may have questions about, or thought may say this or be about that, and say that is what that was talking about and how it got fulfilled.
Look at how many Jews still do not believe Jesus fulfilled the first coming of the messiah.
Like I have said before, I have watched a few of Meyers sermons, and some of them were very much bible based.
Others she has done not so well, so I understand mixing a little bit of lie with the truth. But if the whole sermon is truth, then it can not be false teaching. So if say 7 out of 10 sermons are nothing but bible based, and the other 3 have areas she falsely misinterpreted scripture or gave her own opinion. This just simply means she needs to be corrected in those areas.
I do not believe in those televangelist taking and using a lot of the money given to them by people in their congregation on themselves, instead of giving it back out to others in need. They do not need personal jets, high dollar cars, high priced big houses, and other fancy things that are just luxuries. The money can be better spent on people in need.
Once again this is another area they need to be put in check with, and pointed out how they need to do better with the money God has led them to have. We are to esteem others more than self.
The reason I say all truth will come to light when Jesus comes back is because when that event takes place we will be able to look back on scriptures that we may have questions about, or thought may say this or be about that, and say that is what that was talking about and how it got fulfilled.
Look at how many Jews still do not believe Jesus fulfilled the first coming of the messiah.
Like I have said before, I have watched a few of Meyers sermons, and some of them were very much bible based.
Others she has done not so well, so I understand mixing a little bit of lie with the truth. But if the whole sermon is truth, then it can not be false teaching. So if say 7 out of 10 sermons are nothing but bible based, and the other 3 have areas she falsely misinterpreted scripture or gave her own opinion. This just simply means she needs to be corrected in those areas.
I do not believe in those televangelist taking and using a lot of the money given to them by people in their congregation on themselves, instead of giving it back out to others in need. They do not need personal jets, high dollar cars, high priced big houses, and other fancy things that are just luxuries. The money can be better spent on people in need.
Once again this is another area they need to be put in check with, and pointed out how they need to do better with the money God has led them to have. We are to esteem others more than self.
K
Yes I do, but once again we are to not completely hold somebody and categorize them as one way or the other.
We are called to correct them, if they are wrong at something. If they listen good, if not dust off your feet and move on.
If we just discount them as a false teacher, we do not do what we are called to do.
Did Jesus let Peter fall each time he faltered, or did Jesus left him up and correct him.
Same with Paul, did Paul call Peter a false teacher and not to be followed when he started falsely teaching gentile converts. No he correct Peter instead.
We are called to correct them, if they are wrong at something. If they listen good, if not dust off your feet and move on.
If we just discount them as a false teacher, we do not do what we are called to do.
Did Jesus let Peter fall each time he faltered, or did Jesus left him up and correct him.
Same with Paul, did Paul call Peter a false teacher and not to be followed when he started falsely teaching gentile converts. No he correct Peter instead.
brother I do hear what you are saying, but there is a time for everything. Clearly Peter was never considered a wolf in sheep's clothing, let me ask you this, are there no false teachers that we can label as exactly that? Joseph Smith? The pope? Benny HInn? Joel Osteen? it is not as if these people are slightly off regarding interpretation, neither are they at our disposal to reprove them. It is my focus to alert our brothers, sisters and seekers that a large portion of what they are teaching is not the truth in the bible. There was a post earlier that really explained where all these "new age" teachers came from. People who teach that we have the power to better our lives with what we speak into existence, that we are all little gods, that God wants us to prosper here in this world at this time, that we have nothing to be ashamed of or sorry for, that we are exactly the way that God made us and we need to understand and accept that we are perfectly how we are intended to be. Everything I just said is not the bible, it's not even a poor interpretation of the bible, these are flat out lies.
Proverbs 6:12-19 (NASB) [SUP]12 [/SUP]A worthless person, a wicked man, Is the one who walks with a perverse mouth, [SUP]13 [/SUP]Who winks with his eyes, who signals with his feet, Who points with his fingers; [SUP]14 [/SUP]Who with perversity in his heart continually devises evil, Who spreads strife. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore his calamity will come suddenly; Instantly he will be broken and there will be no healing. [SUP]16 [/SUP]There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: [SUP]17 [/SUP]Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, [SUP]18 [/SUP]A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil, [SUP]19 [/SUP]A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers.
Three of the key factors that point out the false prophets/teachers is haughtiness, arrogance, & pride. Because of these traits in them, they will:
1. Perform during their "sermon", amusing the crowd. They often "ham it up" on stage. They distort their faces to look serious or silly, whichever they feel works for them.
2. Act like divas (even the men).
3. Act out in a mean attitude towards their accusers & even curse them in the name of the Lord while on camera. I've seen Benny Hinn, Robert Tilton & Paul Crouch do this many times in the past.
4. Show off their riches, even bragging about them. To them, showing their success is everything.
5. Often preach loud, fast & growly, faking the anointing.
6. Show a total lack of humility. This is a trait they can't fake.
7. Never break down crying for the lost..... ever.
8. Rarely show an alter call during their program, unless it's a falling out in the spirit type, or a laughing spirit type.
Three of the key factors that point out the false prophets/teachers is haughtiness, arrogance, & pride. Because of these traits in them, they will:
1. Perform during their "sermon", amusing the crowd. They often "ham it up" on stage. They distort their faces to look serious or silly, whichever they feel works for them.
2. Act like divas (even the men).
3. Act out in a mean attitude towards their accusers & even curse them in the name of the Lord while on camera. I've seen Benny Hinn, Robert Tilton & Paul Crouch do this many times in the past.
4. Show off their riches, even bragging about them. To them, showing their success is everything.
5. Often preach loud, fast & growly, faking the anointing.
6. Show a total lack of humility. This is a trait they can't fake.
7. Never break down crying for the lost..... ever.
8. Rarely show an alter call during their program, unless it's a falling out in the spirit type, or a laughing spirit type.
E
This post i have to agree with... instead of asking man if they are fake, i ask God himself and i trust he will let me know.
I am the daughter of the King so i know he has everything under control, if there are those that is out there that is fake and that is teaching false then God himself will take care of it.
This is why i pray daily all day long to God himself.. We need to toon out the world and get connected with God himself,
Start praying and seeking.....
Mathew 7:7 - "Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and ye shall find, Knock and it shall be opened unto you"
I found this off a site, and i could not have wrote it better myself ...
(dont want to take the credit for writing something i didnt)
Tragically, those who are deceived in the last days by these false christs will sincerely regard themselves to be genuine believers, actively doing the work of Christ. They will even prophesy in the name of Jesus, cast out demons in the name of Jesus, and work miracles in His name. But they are serving a false Christ—not the real Jesus. “Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers’ ” (Matthew 7:22, 23, NIV). The followers of the false Christ disregard the commandments of Jesus. In contrast, Jesus declares, “Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him” (John 14:21, NIV).
Again i say, We all need to get connected with God and start praying for one another, pray for our leaders, pray for our president, and yes i am talking about Obama, we need to pray for him. The bible says we need to pray for our leaders. You dont see that on your facebook posts. But we need to. We need to see more love and prayers reaching for those who are lost. This is the end times and we are so blind that time is ticking, Yes we have said that for over 2000 thousand years, But you know what i am going to keep saying it because i BELIEVE our Father, our God, the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and the end, is coming back here and i am not missing the ride!!!!!
I am the daughter of the King so i know he has everything under control, if there are those that is out there that is fake and that is teaching false then God himself will take care of it.
This is why i pray daily all day long to God himself.. We need to toon out the world and get connected with God himself,
Start praying and seeking.....
Mathew 7:7 - "Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and ye shall find, Knock and it shall be opened unto you"
I found this off a site, and i could not have wrote it better myself ...
(dont want to take the credit for writing something i didnt)
Tragically, those who are deceived in the last days by these false christs will sincerely regard themselves to be genuine believers, actively doing the work of Christ. They will even prophesy in the name of Jesus, cast out demons in the name of Jesus, and work miracles in His name. But they are serving a false Christ—not the real Jesus. “Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers’ ” (Matthew 7:22, 23, NIV). The followers of the false Christ disregard the commandments of Jesus. In contrast, Jesus declares, “Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him” (John 14:21, NIV).
Again i say, We all need to get connected with God and start praying for one another, pray for our leaders, pray for our president, and yes i am talking about Obama, we need to pray for him. The bible says we need to pray for our leaders. You dont see that on your facebook posts. But we need to. We need to see more love and prayers reaching for those who are lost. This is the end times and we are so blind that time is ticking, Yes we have said that for over 2000 thousand years, But you know what i am going to keep saying it because i BELIEVE our Father, our God, the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and the end, is coming back here and i am not missing the ride!!!!!
And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground...
Jesus frequently withdrew from others when he prayed in earnest, with weeping. Jesus withdrew from others when he fasted and prayed for 40 days, not a bit of food, leading to great hunger. A bimbo-Christian of today calls it a fast to skip dessert for a day, if they bother with even that. Their religion is about [desperately] feeling good, and anguish is counter to that. They listen to false teaches like Joyce Meyer he tells them what they want to hear, rather than what God wants them to hear.
Jesus frequently withdrew from others when he prayed in earnest, with weeping. Jesus withdrew from others when he fasted and prayed for 40 days, not a bit of food, leading to great hunger. A bimbo-Christian of today calls it a fast to skip dessert for a day, if they bother with even that. Their religion is about [desperately] feeling good, and anguish is counter to that. They listen to false teaches like Joyce Meyer he tells them what they want to hear, rather than what God wants them to hear.