What did the Jew receive first?

[peacefulbeliever]

When you grow in understanding you will be able to connect all scripture together. You won't be reading the epistles and then going backward from that, but you will be able to do it like Christ the man and Paul did it, you will read the OT and see how the NT evolved from that. Your focus will be on God's overall plan for our salvation and also for our life as we live it here, and all things of scripture, your life, and the world will revolve around the absolute harmony of all of this in scripture. Then you will be able to read Hebrews as the Jews read it, from the vantage point of all the Old testament teaches and seeing what is better in Christ, and how it is better.

Mysteries will not start with Paul, it will start with God.

I haven't even addressed Hebrews. The mystery of the body, Gentiles being fellowheirs, being ONE in the body of Christ is not found in the OT - it was not revealed until it was given to Paul by revelation of Jesus Christ - Paul being the minister of the dispensation of grace. Again - in the body of Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile. THAT IS WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS . . . .

Thank you and God bless.

 

[Apostol2013]

to the jews first then to the gentiles , for the jews received first then the gentiles received that is the order in everything does one not read isaiah and see that in prophecy , the law lets examin it paul said it is spiritual now lets look at whats been cancelled , the sacrfices and oblations , meaning no more attonement by blood , no more rites and burnt offerings harshities but the righteous principles (commandments) move over to the new covenant because His purpose is carried over God would not give a commandment for no reason , so the question would be " why did God say that? find the reasoning behind the commandment break the yoke in the spirit

 

[RedTent]

I haven't even addressed Hebrews. The mystery of the body, Gentiles being fellowheirs, being ONE in the body of Christ is not found in the OT - it was not revealed until it was given to Paul by revelation of Jesus Christ - Paul being the minister of the dispensation of grace. Again - in the body of Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile. THAT IS WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS . . . .

Thank you and God bless.

I realize that you are solid in your perception of scripture, listening to other ways of seeing is not accepted by you for your mind is closed, but for other people reading this: You do need to search scripture for what the arc meant in the temple and how the high priest and sacrificial blood was used for atonement. Now, go to Matt. 27, starting at verse 50. See why and how the veil was torn, how all now had access to God and the real blood of Christ was used. How Christ became our high priest. Remember, as you study, that we still have the temple and we still have a high priest doing the same things, but the temple is in our hearts instead of in a building and the High Priest is Christ---they took over the same functions. Paul and others were assigned the job of telling us about this change of the temple being in our hearts, and the change in the High Priest. As you read what the epistles are saying about it, keep your minds on that this was all new to the people these letters were written to.

The book of Hebrews is especially telling for us, because it was written to Jews whose parents had trained them in ways that were to be followed before Christ came, and telling of the changes Christ made. Galatians is a book of Paul's outrage over people telling new Christians that God wouldn't accept them as gentiles, only as Jews accepting all the traditions of the Jews.

 

[just-me]

The "mysteries of the kingdom of heaven" is NOT the same as the mystery of the church revealed to Paul. Is what you are saying contrary to doctrine? Romans and Ephesians are doctrinal epistles directed toward the church . . . both speak about the mystery that was hid and that was revealed to Paul and explain what that mystery is and it is not what you are saying nor was it revealed beforehand.

It appears to me that you believe the church and the kingdom of God (kingdom of Jesus) are 2 different things. It seems you believe that Paul is the first revelator of the church, making Jesus' ministry to His disciples without revelation concerning the mystery of His own kingdom.

Matthew 16:13-18
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist : some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said , Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou , Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

John 17:14-19
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

John 18:36 Jesus answered , My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Jesus said to His disciples, "Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God:" (Luke 2:10a)
"But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:" (Romans 2:10)

Colossians 1:12-13
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

 

[just-me]

I realize that you are solid in your perception of scripture, listening to other ways of seeing is not accepted by you for your mind is closed, but for other people reading this: You do need to search scripture for what the arc meant in the temple and how the high priest and sacrificial blood was used for atonement. Now, go to Matt. 27, starting at verse 50. See why and how the veil was torn, how all now had access to God and the real blood of Christ was used. How Christ became our high priest. Remember, as you study, that we still have the temple and we still have a high priest doing the same things, but the temple is in our hearts instead of in a building and the High Priest is Christ---they took over the same functions. Paul and others were assigned the job of telling us about this change of the temple being in our hearts, and the change in the High Priest. As you read what the epistles are saying about it, keep your minds on that this was all new to the people these letters were written to.

The book of Hebrews is especially telling for us, because it was written to Jews whose parents had trained them in ways that were to be followed before Christ came, and telling of the changes Christ made. Galatians is a book of Paul's outrage over people telling new Christians that God wouldn't accept them as gentiles, only as Jews accepting all the traditions of the Jews.

Amen. So true.
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

 

[royalscot]

I am not hinting at anything. I totally agree that the mysteries were revealed first to the Jews and then to the Gentiles....

There is interference being run by others. This thread keeps running off the track from what should be very simple to understand. I'm saying that God used Israel as our example concerning His righteous judgment. It is ours to understand by the word of God. Gentiles are now included in this understanding through the Holy Spirit. As you read, and look closer to the previous posts, you will see that there are those that want to say Paul received a new and different enlightenment that those of the Jews.

through faith or through law , . both have to believe in jesus. one is tied to the law of moses, the other is not. now take a guess how both are saved
he did. thats why he calls them jew, and gentile. heirs according to promise

ware dose it say, justified by law or good deeds or self righteousness. but believing in jesus christ is lord.




he did say that,them and us, jew and gentile.
8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."Acts 15

them and us,

yolk of law
jew and gentile all justified by faith.
3 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.


ware dose it say, justified by law or good deeds or self righteousness. but believing in jesus christ is lord.
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.


But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."Acts 15

 

[just-me]

Jesus promised that the Comforter would teach the disciples all things, and bring all things to their remembrance, whatsoever He had said to them. Long before Paul was converted the disciples were gathered together concerned abut who should take the place of Judas Iscariot. The names of these disciples were Peter, James, John, Andrew, Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew, Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James, 11 men in all. Peter quoted David saying, “Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents. Let his days be few; and let another take his office.” (Psalm 69:25 and Psalm 109:8) The elected Matthias to take the place of Judas.

At the festival of Pentecost all the believers were gathered together. They began to speak with other languages as the Spirit made them capable. There were Jews dwelling in Jerusalem out of every nation under heaven, and they were all totally amazed because they understood in their own language because those that were speaking were all Jews from Galilee. This was about 2 weeks after Jesus ascended into heaven, keeping in mind that before Christ's death He had traveled all over Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom. (Matthew 4:23)

As time went on a man named Stephen was killed for preaching the gospel, and Saul (later Paul) held the coats of those who were stoning Stephen. (Acts chapter 8)

Paul was finally converted and told by Jesus that he will be told what to do. Ananias (who was a Jew) is the messenger sent by Christ to tell Paul that he will suffer for Christ's sake. (Acts 9:1-19)

From that point on, Paul preached that Jesus was truly the Son of God. I doubt that Paul needed to enlighten the 12 disciples about the mystery that was revealed to them by Jesus. Later, when Paul was giving his testimony about his conversion, (Acts 22:11-16) he mentions Ananias as being a devout man according to the law, and having a good report among the Jews that lived in Damascus.

The Mystery of the Gospel (Romans 16:25-27)
Paul’s good news included mystery truth: "that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel" (Eph. 6:19). In light of this, there are two ultradispensational errors that must be avoided:

1) Paul was the only person who received the revelation of the mystery. This error is corrected by Ephesians 3:5 which teaches that mystery truth was revealed to God’s holy apostles and prophets. No doubt Paul was the chief revelator of mystery truth but it was not given to him exclusively. He was not the only steward of the mysteries of God.

2) Mystery truth was not made known until Paul revealed it. The mysteries of God are revealed in all the fulness of their preciousness in Paul’s epistles, but Paul was not the first to reveal these secrets.

1 Corinthians 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

 

[just-me]

through faith or through law , . both have to believe in jesus. one is tied to the law of moses, the other is not. now take a guess how both are saved
he did. thats why he calls them jew, and gentile. heirs according to promise

ware dose it say, justified by law or good deeds or self righteousness. but believing in jesus christ is lord.




he did say that,them and us, jew and gentile.
8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."Acts 15

them and us,

yolk of law
jew and gentile all justified by faith.
3 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.


ware dose it say, justified by law or good deeds or self righteousness. but believing in jesus christ is lord.
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.


But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."Acts 15

You might have posted this on the wrong thread. Try this one.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/96677-what-does-law-really-say.html

 

[royalscot]

You might have posted this on the wrong thread. Try this one.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/96677-what-does-law-really-say.html

no, the full law for the jews was up to 70 ad.

the holy spirit was in place before this date.
[SUP]40 and saying, "You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in threedays, save yourself! If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross."
[/SUP]

what temple was he talking about.
[SUP]22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.2

Revelation 21
But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."Acts 15

when did you need a temple of stone to follow jesus. when was this forfilled
for both gentiles and jews. with the requirement the law of moses had to a temple of stone.
when we all meet the requirement with grace a gift. through the grace of the Lord Jesus
[/SUP]

 

[just-me]

Amen. So true.
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

through faith or through law , . both have to believe in jesus. one is tied to the law of moses, the other is not. now take a guess how both are saved
he did. thats why he calls them jew, and gentile. heirs according to promise

ware dose it say, justified by law or good deeds or self righteousness. but believing in jesus christ is lord.

You might have posted this on the wrong thread. Try this one.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/96677-what-does-law-really-say.html

no, the full law for the jews was up to 70 ad.

??? you must mean this is when Rome tore it down. OK??

the holy spirit was in place before this date.
[SUP]40 and saying, "You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in threedays, save yourself! If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross."[/SUP]
what temple was he talking about.
[SUP]22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.2[/SUP]

So this temple doesn't apply?
[SUP]1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? Revelation 21
[/SUP][SUP]

But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."Acts 15

[/SUP][SUP]
will be?
[/SUP][SUP]

[SUP]
[/SUP]when did you need a temple of stone to follow jesus. when was this forfilled
for both gentiles and jews. with the requirement the law of moses had to a temple of stone. when we all meet the requirement with grace a gift. through the grace of the Lord Jesus

[/SUP]
I never needed a temple of stone. ???? And your point is????

"In that he saith , A new covenant, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary." Hebrew 8:13 and Hebrews 9:1

 

[Elin]

I realize that you are solid in your perception of scripture, listening to other ways of seeing is not accepted by you for your mind is closed, but for other people reading this: You do need to search scripture for what the arc meant in the temple and how the high priest and sacrificial blood was used for atonement. Now, go to Matt. 27, starting at verse 50. See why and how the veil was torn, how all now had access to God and the real blood of Christ was used. How Christ became our high priest. Remember, as you study, that we still have the temple and
we still have a high priest doing the same things,

Are you forgetting that Jesus was sacrificed once for all,
and there is no offering of atoning sacrifice going on in the NT?

Our new High Priest is the Mediator between God and man, as was the Levitical High Priest,
who ever lives to make intercession for us, and applies, by the Holy Spirit, to those who believe in him
the benefits of his once-for-all sacrifice.

 

[Elin]

1) Paul was the only person who received the revelation of the mystery. This error is corrected by Ephesians 3:5 which teaches that mystery truth was revealed to God’s holy apostles and prophets. No doubt Paul was the chief revelator of mystery truth but it was not given to him exclusively. He was not the only steward of the mysteries of God.

2) Mystery truth was not made known until Paul revealed it. The mysteries of God are revealed in all the fulness of their preciousness in Paul’s epistles, but Paul was not the first to reveal these secrets.

1 Corinthians 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

Poor attempt at diversion from the issue.

The issue is not who received the most mysteries.

The issue is they were not revealed to God's people until the NT.

 

[just-me]

Let's start again for about the 4th time.
Romans 2:9-10
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

What was this mystery? Hint.....Did any Gentiles/Greeks write any books in the Bible? Were there any Gentiles equipped to explain the spiritual concepts of the foreshadow of things to come when they knew nothing about God's Word in the Old Testament?

Ephesians 3:1-6
1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby , when ye read , ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles (plural) and prophets (Plural) by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth ; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 2:9-10
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

1 Corinthians 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

Hebrews 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testato .
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

 

[just-me]

Who is "us" and "we"?
Ephesians 1:9-12
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance , being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:1-2

1.Let a man so account of "us", as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.

Stewards=3623. oikonomos oy-kon-om'-os from 3624 and the base of 3551; a house-distributor (i.e. manager), or overseer, i.e. an employee in that capacity; by extension, a fiscal agent (treasurer); figuratively, a preacher (of the Gospel):--chamberlain, governor, steward.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I realize that you are solid in your perception of scripture, listening to other ways of seeing is not accepted by you for your mind is closed, but for other people reading this: You do need to search scripture for what the arc meant in the temple and how the high priest and sacrificial blood was used for atonement. Now, go to Matt. 27, starting at verse 50. See why and how the veil was torn, how all now had access to God and the real blood of Christ was used. How Christ became our high priest. Remember, as you study, that we still have the temple and we still have a high priest doing the same things, but the temple is in our hearts instead of in a building and the High Priest is Christ---they took over the same functions. Paul and others were assigned the job of telling us about this change of the temple being in our hearts, and the change in the High Priest. As you read what the epistles are saying about it, keep your minds on that this was all new to the people these letters were written to.

The book of Hebrews is especially telling for us, because it was written to Jews whose parents had trained them in ways that were to be followed before Christ came, and telling of the changes Christ made. Galatians is a book of Paul's outrage over people telling new Christians that God wouldn't accept them as gentiles, only as Jews accepting all the traditions of the Jews.

Thank you RedTent but I have read all this and do acknowledge this.

 

[just-me]

1 Corinthians 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

So Paul, and those ministering with him are stewards, governors, and overseers of the mystery. This is scripture, but why did he say that the Jew comes first? It isn't in the Bible that the Gentiles taught the mystery to the believing Jews.

Romans 11:7-11
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

Sounds like a secret to me. Continuing...........

9 And David saith , Let their table be made a snare , and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened , that they may not see , and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid : but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

So if Paul were the first in line to receive the mystery, why would he say the "Jew" first?

Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

 

[peacefulbeliever]

It appears to me that you believe the church and the kingdom of God (kingdom of Jesus) are 2 different things. It seems you believe that Paul is the first revelator of the church, making Jesus' ministry to His disciples without revelation concerning the mystery of His own kingdom.

Matthew 16:13-18
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist : some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said , Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou , Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The church is not the kingdom - Jesus Christ is the Rock upon which the church is built - Him being the chief cornerstone.

John 17:14-19
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

We are not of this world because we have been set apart by God. Are we still living in the world? of course.

John 18:36 Jesus answered , My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Jesus said to His disciples, "Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God:" (Luke 2:10a)
"But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:" (Romans 2:10)

Colossians 1:12-13
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

The future kingdom on earth is called the kingdom of God, the kingdom of heaven, the kingdom of our father David [Mk. 11:10], my kingdom [Luke 22:30], the kingdom of Christ and God [Eph. 5:5] the kingdom of his dear Son [Col. 1:13], his heavenly kingdom [2 Timothy 4:18], the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ [2 Pet. 1:11]. John the Baptist came preaching the "kingdom of heaven is at hand". But see they didn't realize that there was a period of time between the "suffering servant" and the "King of Kings" - because this was the period that was hid in God, hid from ages and generations - THE MYSTERY, the church. Jesus Christ came first as the "suffering servant" when many were expecting a "conquering king." That is one of the reasons the Jews had so much trouble excepting him as the Messiah because instead of Christ being crowned king he was crucified BUT when he returns he will set up his kingdom and he will be Lord of Lord and King of Kings - There is one king, Jesus Christ, and there will be one future kingdom. We know from Scripture that when the Lord Jesus comes from heaven to earth to set up his Kingdom, the Church will come with him, and therefore we also will participate in his Kingdom.

But see they didn't realize that there was a period of time between the "suffering servant" and the "King of Kings" - because this was the period that was hid in God, hid from ages and generations - THE MYSTERY, the church, the Jew and Gentles ONE new man, fellowheirs.

In Luke 4:18-21 when quoting Isaiah: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set a liberty them that are bruised,

To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down.

And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled your ears.

If you go to Isaiah 61:2 this is what it says in it's entirety: To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God . . . He quit at that little comma - with a period - because he had fulfilled - to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. There is a time period between "to preach the acceptable year of the Lord and the day of vengeance of our God . . . . that time period is the "dispensation of grace".

 

[Mem]

By what will those be judged that are judged? Those that have Christ will be judged by His righteousness, yes, and those without by their own filthy works, but by what is righteousness measured? Is it simply belief and unbelief in Jesus or something more?

 

[just-me]

By what will those be judged that are judged? Those that have Christ will be judged by His righteousness, yes, and those without by their own filthy works, but by what is righteousness measured? Is it simply belief and unbelief in Jesus or something more?

Good question. You and I both know what the Bible says. I'll let someone else answer. I'll just post a verse or 2. It's needful to be redundant for some can't get it, or most likely don't want it in their preconceived doctrine. (smile)

Romans 2:9-10 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

 

[RedTent]

Are you forgetting that Jesus was sacrificed once for all,
and there is no offering of atoning sacrifice going on in the NT?

Our new High Priest is the Mediator between God and man, as was the Levitical High Priest,
who ever lives to make intercession for us, and applies, by the Holy Spirit, to those who believe in him
the benefits of his once-for-all sacrifice.

I do not understand the purpose you have in all your negative posts. It would help if you would simply state what of the bible you are so against? Perhaps your purpose is against all that God did as our creator and how powerful Christ was before Christ lived on earth?

This post seems to be saying that the symbol of Christ's blood in the sacrificial system was inferior to the real once and for all blood shed, and everyone knows that. But this post is scolding me for "forgetting" something in connection with it.

You keep denying and scolding, but never being clear how you have something better. It is as if you think someone is not recognizing the wonders of Christ, but surely you don't think the wonders of Christ wipes out the wonders of God for the thousands of years of time the earth spent before Christ lived here, or that Christ wasn't powerful before but only had power after the crucifixion in our kind of time? Your constant scolding and denying is truly upsetting!!