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Luke 16:19-31 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Matthew 13:40-42 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:41,46 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels... And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Mark 9:42-48 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Revelation 14:9-11 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Plainly states that this happens at the end of the world - nowhere does it state that it happens upon one's death. Please provide the scripture that says man is burned in fire upon his death. Here you are speaking of the Lake of Fire - not the Hell you preach one goes to upon one's death. You folks really need to get this stuff straight in your minds.
 
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The Lord's Day the day of his resurrection and not the Sabbath.

Matthew 28:1-3New International Version (NIV)

Jesus Has Risen

28 After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. [SUP]3 [/SUP]His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.


Acts 20:7New International Version (NIV)

Eutychus Raised From the Dead at Troas

[SUP]7 [/SUP]On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.



1 Corinthians 16:1-2New International Version (NIV)

The Collection for the Lord’s People

16 Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. [SUP]2 [/SUP]On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.
To keep this thread on topic, I responded to your post here:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...rs-exempted-during-sabbath-8.html#post1721624

God Bless
 

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You have shared some Scripture, but that is hardly an answer. Humble yourself enough to read the post I made. Are you even willing to look at it, or are you past that point?

Claiming I am a Seventh-Day Adventist, just because I confess the Sabbath from the Bible, is a bit of an assumption.

God Bless
 

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Then you say there are only nine Commandments left since you abolish the Commandment to keep the Sabbath? More false doctrine.

Who Changed The Sabbath To Sunday - Constantine Or Pope?
You ignore context. The ten commandments were given to whom? It is law. New Testament believer's live by the spirit and not by the law. The law saves no one. That does not mean that God's moral code is done away with. Where is your common sense?

[h=1]Matthew 22:34-40New International Version (NIV)[/h] [h=3]The Greatest Commandment[/h][SUP]34 [/SUP]Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. [SUP]35 [/SUP]One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: [SUP]36 [/SUP]“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and greatest commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]40 [/SUP]All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

The Sabbath is not on Sunday. The Sabbath is on Saturday but New Testament believer's don't observe the Sabbath. Only Jews do and some cults. Believer's have the Lord's Day which coincides with the resurrection which is on Sunday. The Sabbath is not the Lord's Day and the Lord's Day is not the Sabbath.
 
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You've already been answered. You don't want to accept the answer. That is your problem.

Sola Scriptura is usually a term used by reformed theologians. If you are SDA then why are you using that name? Seems more than a tad dishonest to me.
You stole my thunder! He has, consistently, posted garden variety Ellen White doctrines, has used stealth SDA websites and such in his closing, yet is going by Bible alone, now? (Let the reader understand a defunct user here who pushed sabbath threads seems to have "resurrected" shortly thereafter...) But I was first going to ask, yes or no, whether he repudiates Ellen White, as these people put nothing on the table as to who they are, until busted. If the answer not affirmative, Sola Scriptura is very deceptive. Sola Scriptura is actually the doctrine of mainstream, Protestant Christianity they mock and repudiate the teachings of.
 
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You have shared some Scripture, but that is hardly an answer. Humble yourself enough to read the post I made. Are you even willing to look at it, or are you past that point?

Claiming I am a Seventh-Day Adventist, just because I confess the Sabbath from the Bible, is a bit of an assumption.

God Bless
There is no need for personal attacks.

You were given an answer. You don't want to accept the answer. Who is really the one who needs to be humbled?

Past what point? I'm not scared of you or any other person promoting false doctrine.

The only thing that matters is truth that is based on the scriptures.

I have limited time but I will look at the post.
 

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You stole my thunder! He has, consistently, posts garden variety Ellen White doctrines, has used stealth SDA websites and such in his closing, yet is going by Bible alone, now? (Let the reader understand a defunct user here who pushed sabbath threads seems to have "resurrected" shortly thereafter...) But I was first going to ask, yes or no, whether he repudiates Ellen White, as these people put nothing on the table as to who they are, until busted. If the answer not affirmative, Sola Scriptura is very deceptive. Sola Scriptura is actually the doctrine of mainstream, Protestant Christianity they mock and repudiate the teachings of.
I'm sorry. Next time I will let you talk first. I don't always have to be first you know. I can share.

The serpent in the garden of Eden was sneaky too.

Be wise like a serpent but harmless like a dove.
 
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If I sounded like I was attacking, I apologize. It is not my desire to attack anyone, as we are all on the journey in Christ Jesus.

There is no man to fear, but the LORD Himself.

Yes, truth based on Scripture is the only way.

Thank you for taking what time you have to read what I posted. The Scripture speaks for itself.

God Bless
 
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I'm sorry. Next time I will let you talk first. I don't always have to be first you know. I can share.
Just a friendly expression, absent any acerbic meaning. Didn't mean to offend any delicacies. Whatever.
 

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Just a friendly expression, absent any acerbic meaning. Didn't mean to offend any delicacies. Whatever.
Don't be getting snarky. I was being sarcastic. I was joking with you in a twisted sort of way.
 

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Just a friendly expression, absent any acerbic meaning. Didn't mean to offend any delicacies. Whatever.
Oh, no problem. Delicacies? I'm kind of delicate and not delicate at the same time. Depends on what day, the situation and the phase of the moon.
 

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If I sounded like I was attacking, I apologize. It is not my desire to attack anyone, as we are all on the journey in Christ Jesus.

There is no man to fear, but the LORD Himself.

Yes, truth based on Scripture is the only way.

Thank you for taking what time you have to read what I posted. The Scripture speaks for itself.

God Bless
Okay then. The truth is what matters. People usually resort to personal attacks when they run out of reasonable arguments. Once you resort to personal attacks then you have lost the debate as far as I am concerned.

I like to stick to the subject within reason and not get sidetracked unless I am making a stupid joke, of course.

I will look at it but I can almost predict you are not going to like my response.
 
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That is OK. I have been called crazy names for speaking what I have on this forum. I am sure you have had evil things said to you as well. Sometimes I can be bold, and it may come off as an attack, but it is more zeal for the Bible than anything.

An open mind is necessary to learn anything from Scripture. Unfortunately, we as humans tend to let pride get in the way. I have had to fight with that for several years now.

God Bless
 

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Not at all. It's one of those "My God is too just to sentence anyone to centuries of torture upon his/her death without the due process of a trial. It is only after having received a sentence of death in the Great White Throne Judgment that he/she may be sent to the Lake of Fire.

It is the position of the few on here that a just God would sentence a man who committed a murder a thousand years ago to a place of fiery punishment called Hell while another many might commit murder and have to only serve two days in that fiery Hell should Christ return in two days. Meanwhile, neither of the two men had been served the due process of a fair and impartial trial.
YOUR human sense of what is just and fair is severely flawed, because you do not see sin as all that bad, or at least you see your sins as little sins only deserving of a spanking.

GOD SEES ANY SIN NO MATTER AS SMALL WE THINK IT IS, AS HORRIBLY BAD, AND EQUAL TO BREAKING ALL OF THE LAW.

James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Therefore GOD sees one sin, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, as being deserving of the eternal punishment in HELL.

THAT IS WHY CHRIST HAD TO DIE!
THAT IS WHY WE DESPERATELY NEED A SAVIOR!!
THAT IS WHY WE CAN NEVER EARN ANY PART OF OUR SALVATION!!!
THAT IS WHY WE ARE SAVED FROM ETERNITY IN HELL, BY GRACE, NOT DESERVING ANY OF IT!!!!
THAT IS WHY WE LOVE HIM WITH OUR WHOLE BEING!!!!!
THAT IS WHY WE LOVINGLY SUBMIT TO HIM AS LORD AND MASTER!!!!!!
THAT IS WHY WE SHOULD BE GIVING HIM ALL THE GLORY FOR OUR SALVATION!!!!!!!
 

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That is OK. I have been called crazy names for speaking what I have on this forum. I am sure you have had evil things said to you as well. Sometimes I can be bold, and it may come off as an attack, but it is more zeal for the Bible than anything.

An open mind is necessary to learn anything from Scripture. Unfortunately, we as humans tend to let pride get in the way. I have had to fight with that for several years now.

God Bless
I have been called a lot more than some crazy names. Still learning to let the insults fall off like water on a duck's back.

Nothing wrong with being zealous if you are zealous for the right thing.

I am definitely zealous and passionate about my faith.

Maybe you need a thorn in your side like the Apostle Paul.

But I would caution you regarding the open mind. You need to make sure you are not imposing your beliefs onto the Bible instead of letting the Bible form your beliefs. Anyone can use the Bible to support anything if they really want to.

Even the Devil quoted scriptures but he misapplied them.
 
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I have been called a lot more than some crazy names. Still learning to let the insults fall off like water on a duck's back.

Nothing wrong with being zealous if you are zealous for the right thing.

I am definitely zealous and passionate about my faith.

Maybe you need a thorn in your side like the Apostle Paul.

But I would caution you regarding the open mind. You need to make sure you are not imposing your beliefs onto the Bible instead of letting the Bible form your beliefs. Anyone can use the Bible to support anything if they really want to.

Even the Devil quoted scriptures but he misapplied them.
An open mind meaning I am ever learning and must adjust my belief to the Bible. As I have been studying in the last couple of years, the Scripture has proven me wrong on many things I believed. That is why I now allow the Bible to interpret itself, so that what I now believe is what the Bible actually says.

God Bless
 
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You ignore context. The ten commandments were given to whom? It is law. New Testament believer's live by the spirit and not by the law. The law saves no one. That does not mean that God's moral code is done away with. Where is your common sense?

Matthew 22:34-40New International Version (NIV)

The Greatest Commandment

[SUP]34 [/SUP]Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. [SUP]35 [/SUP]One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: [SUP]36 [/SUP]“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and greatest commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]40 [/SUP]All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

The Sabbath is not on Sunday. The Sabbath is on Saturday but New Testament believer's don't observe the Sabbath. Only Jews do and some cults. Believer's have the Lord's Day which coincides with the resurrection which is on Sunday. The Sabbath is not the Lord's Day and the Lord's Day is not the Sabbath.
The Lord's Day is the day Christ returns to set up His earthly Kingdom. Nowhere is Sunday declared to be the Lord's Day or a day of worship of any kind. Show me scriptural proof where the Christ, Paul, or any of the Apostles changed the Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day of the week. You're only making the excuse.
 
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YOUR human sense of what is just and fair is severely flawed, because you do not see sin as all that bad, or at least you see your sins as little sins only deserving of a spanking.

GOD SEES ANY SIN NO MATTER AS SMALL WE THINK IT IS, AS HORRIBLY BAD, AND EQUAL TO BREAKING ALL OF THE LAW.

James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Therefore GOD sees one sin, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, as being deserving of the eternal punishment in HELL.

THAT IS WHY CHRIST HAD TO DIE!
THAT IS WHY WE DESPERATELY NEED A SAVIOR!!
THAT IS WHY WE CAN NEVER EARN ANY PART OF OUR SALVATION!!!
THAT IS WHY WE ARE SAVED FROM ETERNITY IN HELL, BY GRACE, NOT DESERVING ANY OF IT!!!!
THAT IS WHY WE LOVE HIM WITH OUR WHOLE BEING!!!!!
THAT IS WHY WE LOVINGLY SUBMIT TO HIM AS LORD AND MASTER!!!!!!
THAT IS WHY WE SHOULD BE GIVING HIM ALL THE GLORY FOR OUR SALVATION!!!!!!!
None of your posts go toward answering the question I posed. Again, show me the scripture that states that anyone is judged and sentenced at his/her moment of death. Prove your claim.