Contradiction of WORDS

[dcontroversal]

Here's a few more "wrong questions" dcon:

"There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth and they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless." Lk.1:5-6

"But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners? And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." Lk.5:30-32

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" Ro.3:10

Were Aaron and Elisabeth righteous? Did Jesus come to call them? Does Paul teach that Aaron and Elisabeth weren't righteous? Maybe you should call Elin so I can get another response filled with nonsense.

They were righteous because they rightfully believed the promises of God and the COMING messiah in the same manner that all O.T. saints were saved.....go read Romans 3 as none can earn salvation by the keeping of the law and or works of righteousness which you seem to be blind to!

 

[Elin]

Where does the text indicate Jesus expected anything of his enemies,"this wicked generation" (Mt 12:45) of Pharisees?

Jesus did not expect the Pharisees to repent.
His purpose was to announce judgment on this exceedingly wicked generation
for being more wicked than even the wicked pagan Ninevah, which repented
at the preaching of the prophet Jonah, while they did not repent at the preaching
of the prophet whom Moses said "is to come" (Dt 18:18-19; Jn 1:45, 6:14); i.e., the Messiah.

Jesus tells
Gods enemies, the exceedinly wicked Pahrisees that they are facing destruction,
but doesn't expect them to repent, yet Jonah tells
Gods enemies the less wicked Ninevites (who are so less wicked) that they are facing destruction,
but does expect them to repent???
What a joke.

Non-responsive.

His purpose was to announce judgment

Wrong again:

"And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." Jn.12:47

Elin, if only you had lived when Jesus walked the earth. You could have corrected Him that He came to save the world, except for the wicked Pharisees.

Finish the passage.

Jn 12:48 - "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words.
The very word which I spoke will condemn at the last day."

Yes, Jesus doesn't have to judge them. The very word they rejected has already judged them.

 

[dcontroversal]

"My sheep hear my voice and they follow me."

"Those who hear these teachings/words of mine and do/practice them, are like wise builders who laid their foundation on a rock."

And trial and testing, tribulation and persecution came and beat against this house, the house stood firm, for that wise builder patiently in practice dig down deep and found the rock/CHRIST and laid his foundation on HIM.

Sounds like work to me too.

This is about those who do not work to keep their salvation , after receiving Grace;

"And those who hear these teachings of mine and do not do/practice them, are like a foolish builder, who laid his foundation on the sand, ................................................................."

'It fall and great was the fall of that foundation.'

The foundation of ROCK is JESUS and eternal life/salvation and justification before the heavenly Father.....after salvation which cannot be gained nor lost by works is to be FITTED out as the bible in hundreds of scripture in context teach that works do not save and or keep saved..1st Corinthians 3....WORKS of GOLD SILVER and precious stones as opposed to works of wood, hay and stubble...quite simple when you open your eyes to the truth like as follows...

SAVED-->faithful--works that are indicative of GOLD, SILVER and precious STONES and honorable VESSEL in the house
SAVED-->not that faithful-->works of wood, hay and stubble--Dishonorable vessel in the house yet SAVED so as by FIRE I.E. by the skin of their teeth...

WOW...even a child can understand this.....!

 

[Elin]

Here's a few more "wrong questions" dcon:

"There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth and they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless." Lk.1:5-6

"But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners? And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." Lk.5:30-32

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" Ro.3:10

Were Aaron and Elisabeth righteous? Did Jesus come to call them? Does Paul teach that Aaron and Elisabeth weren't righteous? Maybe you should call Elin so I can get another response filled with nonsense.

Your view is more suitable to the synagogue where the NT is mocked.

 

[Elin]

"My sheep hear my voice and they follow me."

"Those who hear these teachings/words of mine and do/practice them, are like wise builders who laid their foundation on a rock."

And trial and testing, tribulation and persecution came and beat against this house, the house stood firm, for that wise builder patiently in practice dig down deep and found the rock/CHRIST and laid his foundation on HIM.

Sounds like work to me too.

This is about those who do not work to keep their salvation , after receiving Grace;

"And those who hear these teachings of mine and do not do/practice them, are like a foolish builder, who laid his foundation on the sand, ................................................................."

'It fall and great was the fall of that foundation.'

Yep, the obedience of faith is work.

But it's not the obedience of faith that saves, it's the faith only that saves.

 

[Elin]

Because the NT interprets the OT in a clearer way...or it should, but
Christianity has misinterpreted Pauls "faith vs. works" teachings.

Your view is more suitable to the synagogue where the truth of the NT is denied.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Non-responsive.


Finish the passage.

Jn 12:48 - "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words.
The very word which I spoke will condemn at the last day."

Yes, Jesus doesn't have to judge them. The very word they rejected has already judged them.

Elin, I's a feered yoo gonna' git plum tuckered. Mercy! Be takin' a brake, et sum Kosher dills 'n git wit impressin' da Lord wit yer wurks! We's gotta' be a showin' dem Heebrew roots liken' ta' a bleech blonde, don' ya' know, 'O have mercy!

 

[dcontroversal]

Your view is more suitable to the synagogue where the NT is mocked.

No doubt, and he doesn't realize that the O.T. saints who have believed in the coming Messiah were saved by faith (just like Abraham) and because of that belief were righteous in their standing before God because they were/are of the household of faith......It blows my mind how Satan can blind the minds of them that BELIEVE NOT and then lead them down the heresy road straight to the smoking pit while trusting in their own abilities and works in an attempt to gain and or keep salvation!

There is not a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not! Even Jesus who DID NO SIN, became SIN for us and took upon himself the sins of the whole world and fell under the penalty of death for all men....like I said the other day to some friends...in order for humanity to be redeemable there had to be at least one...the ONE being the very Son of the GOD!

 

[Elin]

Elin, I's a feered yoo gonna' git plum tuckered. Mercy! Be takin' a brake, et sum Kosher dills 'n git wit impressin' da Lord wit yer wurks! We's gotta' be a showin' dem Heebrew roots liken' ta' a bleech blonde, don' ya' know, 'O have mercy!

Indeed, we's do. . .dem roots show deys true nature. . .

 

[elf3]

elf, dcontroversal and Elin can't answer this simple question and maybe you can.

Why did Jesus condemn His listeners for not believing by using the example of The Ninevites repenting at the preaching of Jonah?

Not bad elf, but the "evil generation" doesn't mean everyone living at that time. It means those who "seek a sign." It means "dance for me." It means "I'll never be satisfied with what God does for me." (Lk.7:31-35)

The onus is on people, not God.

A couple things you fail to understand. First I went into this study with NO preconceived view of what this passage was saying. Second I didn't just read it over and over. I used 3 different study Bibles NIV Study Bible, KJV study Bible and the New Geneva NKJV study Bible. I also used 4 different commentaries one being online. Third I studied this two hrs before I wrote it on paper first (a couple times) before I posted it. Forth I wasn't concerned with trying to back up anything anyone else said about it.

First and foremost I prayed for guidance in my study and I prayed for the words to write.

Now yeah you didn't see me do all that but why would I lie about it.

Your going into a particular passage of scripture with a preconceived idea so you have your mind made up before you even read. That CANNOT be done with studying God's Word.

 

[elf3]

See I could post Eph 2:8,9 where Paul tells us our faith IS FROM God and it's NOT by works. But because some people already have a preconceived idea on faith and works they totally reject the words "is from" and "not". You ABSOLUTELY CANNOT study the Bible with a preconceived idea upon your own understanding. You actually have to pray to God with a genuine heart for understanding. If you pray in a nonchalant way about actually wanting to know truth (unless God touches your heart) you will NEVER find truth.

 

[elf3]

"My sheep hear my voice and they follow me."

"Those who hear these teachings/words of mine and do/practice them, are like wise builders who laid their foundation on a rock."

And trial and testing, tribulation and persecution came and beat against this house, the house stood firm, for that wise builder patiently in practice dig down deep and found the rock/CHRIST and laid his foundation on HIM.

Sounds like work to me too.

This is about those who do not work to keep their salvation , after receiving Grace;

"And those who hear these teachings of mine and do not do/practice them, are like a foolish builder, who laid his foundation on the sand, ................................................................."

'It fall and great was the fall of that foundation.'

I actually have just one simple question for you. Is it by your works by which you are saved or is it by the finished works of Jesus by which you are saved?

Or maybe this is just a post and run which you have written.

 

[JesusIsAll]

See I could post Eph 2:8,9 where Paul tells us our faith IS FROM God and it's NOT by works. But because some people already have a preconceived idea on faith and works they totally reject the words "is from" and "not". You ABSOLUTELY CANNOT study the Bible with a preconceived idea upon your own understanding. You actually have to pray to God with a genuine heart for understanding. If you pray in a nonchalant way about actually wanting to know truth (unless God touches your heart) you will NEVER find truth.

Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

 

[dcontroversal]

I actually have just one simple question for you. Is it by your works by which you are saved or is it by the finished works of Jesus by which you are saved?

Or maybe this is just a post and run which you have written.

No doubt.....simplistic question with a simplistic answer.....

If you believe that God has raised him from the dead....
Whosoever believeth in him....
If you confess with your mouth and BELIEVE with your mind (heart)
THY faith hath made the WHOLE....
Lord remember me when you come into your kingdom<--acknowledge the LORDSHIP of Jesus=faith

Paul said clearly that faith + works for salvation is a gospel of a different KIND with no power to save and double cursed to hell......FALSE gospel from Satan himself and propagated by the first lost man CAIN who was also a false teacher<--Jude

 

[dcontroversal]

Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

One of my favorite set of verses for sure...............!

 

[Elin]

See I could post Eph 2:8,9 where Paul tells us our faith IS FROM God and it's NOT by works. But because some people already have a preconceived idea on faith and works they totally reject the words "is from" and "not". You ABSOLUTELY CANNOT study the Bible with a preconceived idea upon your own understanding. You actually have to pray to God with a genuine heart for understanding. If you pray in a nonchalant way about actually wanting to know truth (unless God touches your heart) you will NEVER find truth.

Preach it, brother!

And all the saints said, "AMEN!"

 

[dcontroversal]

See I could post Eph 2:8,9 where Paul tells us our faith IS FROM God and it's NOT by works. But because some people already have a preconceived idea on faith and works they totally reject the words "is from" and "not". You ABSOLUTELY CANNOT study the Bible with a preconceived idea upon your own understanding. You actually have to pray to God with a genuine heart for understanding. If you pray in a nonchalant way about actually wanting to know truth (unless God touches your heart) you will NEVER find truth.

No doubt for sure...Satan has blinded the minds of them that believe not lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ should shine through unto them and they should be saved.......! They cannot grasp that our works have NOTHING at all to do with our biblical salvation........!

 

[dcontroversal]

Preach it, brother!

And all the saints said, "AMEN!"

No doubt...didn't Jesus say to yell from the rooftops those things which he had taught in secret HAHAHHAH!

 

[elf3]

Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Just some of the verses I read every morning. Amen!

 

[elf3]

Using our own understanding to study God's word would be like me using a piece of straw as a cane...doesn't hold up too well.