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1still_waters

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Honestly folks, if all these peeps are saying is..."Read about the feasts, festivals, Sabbaths, and their rituals, grasp their spiritual reality in Jesus. There is no need to actually act out the rituals or Sabbaths, you just have to understand their spiritual meaning in Jesus."<------If that's all they're saying...What is the big deal over?
 
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1still_waters

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Finally you got it!!!!!
I have been judged and called names and whatnot for my observation of these things. I question why? I am lashed out against before I can converse decently with some edification. What is it that causes people to do this? Why doesn't the administration take this into consideration? It's a shame to say the least. There are many people that have quit and many guests who would have joined but haven't because they see this all the time. Contention. Those such as myself do not start conflict. It's time to change your outlook on these things. This site could be dynamic, but it's slowly being ruined bit by bit.
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Maybe you need to find a way to say that in three sentences or less. :p

Jk...kinda...
 
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1still_waters said:
Honestly folks, if all these peeps are saying is..."Read about the feasts, festivals, Sabbaths, and their rituals, grasp their spiritual reality in Jesus. There is no need to actually act out the rituals or Sabbaths, you just have to understand their spiritual meaning in Jesus."<------If that's all they're saying...What is the big deal over?
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No deal when that is all anyone is saying.

And there should be no deal over any Biblical responses made to what anyone is saying.
 
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1still_waters said:
I honestly don't know anyone in my camp who'd disagree with that if that's all you're saying....
Because all that is saying is....Read all your bible and understand it.
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Take a look at this thread to understand more of what I am saying about the Sabbath, and how I see it. It was descent because the people that normally attack saw that I was questioning Sabbath keepers. By those of the same mind as me didn't argue and insinuate things that caused contention.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/100193-counting-sabbath-days.html?highlight=
 
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RedTent

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1still_waters said:
Sooo we SHOULD do the rituals to some extent?
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It is safer not to do the rituals, it is too easy to put too much importance on them. Doing the rituals will not lead you into hell unless you use them and do not acknowledge the Holy Spirit.

Looking at rituals as a letter of the law is not part of growing in Christ. You are allowed to use the rituals as a physical reminder of the spiritual they represent. No one is allowed to judge another by the rituals.

Some things are labeled rituals when they actually are something else. The feasts are an outline of the plan the Lord has for our salvation, and as such are more holy than such as cutting flesh with a knife to represent circumcision. As an example. But examining each ritual for how much is letter of the law and how much is God's plan for us could TRULY derail this thread! That requires a commentary on the entire Old Testament by the best minds closest to the Lord possible, keeping very close to all scripture, way beyond even CC.
 
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1still_waters

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just-me said:
Take a look at this thread to understand more of what I am saying about the Sabbath, and how I see it.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/100193-counting-sabbath-days.html?highlight=
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Lol if this is all you mean to say, I don't need to read more.

1still_waters said:
Honestly folks, if all these peeps are saying is..."Read about the feasts, festivals, Sabbaths, and their rituals, grasp their spiritual reality in Jesus. There is no need to actually act out the rituals or Sabbaths, you just have to understand their spiritual meaning in Jesus."<------If that's all they're saying...What is the big deal over?
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You're dealing with a GenX bite sized brain here. Not that I don't read many page books, but when online, I have a hard time sifting through more than a paragraph or two without gritting my teeth.
 
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1still_waters said:
Honestly folks, if all these peeps are saying is..."Read about the feasts, festivals, Sabbaths, and their rituals, grasp their spiritual reality in Jesus. There is no need to actually act out the rituals or Sabbaths, you just have to understand their spiritual meaning in Jesus."<------If that's all they're saying...What is the big deal over?
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Wonderful! Except when God blessed one day in seven at creation and speaks of keeping a day special so many times in scripture, I think it is important we listen to that. According to scripture it is to be thought of as something for our benefit and not to be honored in a letter of the law way but in spirit and truth. I think we should gather together every scripture regarding the Sabbath starting with Genesis 2, put every scripture together and learn about a Sabbath. Also, when man uses the rest we have in Christ as wiping out all other scripture, saying that is the rest spoken of in Genesis 2 when God created the special day, they are not truly listening to the Lord.
 
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Wonderful! Except when God blessed one day in seven at creation and speaks of keeping a day special so many times in scripture, I think it is important we listen to that. According to scripture it is to be thought of as something for our benefit and not to be honored in a letter of the law way but in spirit and truth. I think we should gather together every scripture regarding the Sabbath starting with Genesis 2, put every scripture together and learn about a Sabbath. Also, when man uses the rest we have in Christ as wiping out all other scripture, saying that is the rest spoken of in Genesis 2 when God created the special day, they are not truly listening to the Lord.
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So are there physical ways we observe Sabbath?
Or is that too just about reading and understanding the spiritual significance in Christ?
 
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It is safer not to do the rituals, it is too easy to put too much importance on them. Doing the rituals will not lead you into hell unless you use them and do not acknowledge the Holy Spirit.

Looking at rituals as a letter of the law is not part of growing in Christ. You are allowed to use the rituals as a physical reminder of the spiritual they represent. No one is allowed to judge another by the rituals.

Some things are labeled rituals when they actually are something else. The feasts are an outline of the plan the Lord has for our salvation, and as such are more holy than such as cutting flesh with a knife to represent circumcision. As an example. But
examining each ritual for how much is letter of the law and how much is God's plan for us could TRULY derail this thread! That
requires a commentary on the entire Old Testament by the best minds closest to the Lord possible, keeping very close to all scripture, way beyond even CC.
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That helps me understand what Paul means by freedom in Christ.
 
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Wonderful! Except when God blessed one day in seven at creation and speaks of keeping a day special so many times in scripture, I think it is important we listen to that. According to scripture it is to be thought of as something for our benefit and not to be honored in a letter of the law way but in spirit and truth. I think we should gather together every scripture regarding the Sabbath starting with Genesis 2, put every scripture together and learn about a Sabbath. Also, when man uses the rest we have in Christ as wiping out all other scripture, saying that is the rest spoken of in Genesis 2 when God created the special day, they are not truly listening to the Lord.
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Will the things I do on Sabbath, look different than the things I do on non-Sabbath days?
If yes, then you've just introduced a physical component to observing Sabbath, which means to a certain extent there is ritual.
Also if yes, that cancels out any claims that this is only about spiritual understanding.
 
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Wonderful! Except when God blessed one day in seven at creation and speaks of keeping a day special so many times in scripture, I think it is important we listen to that. According to scripture it is to be thought of as something for our benefit and not to be honored in a letter of the law way but in spirit and truth. I think we should gather together every scripture regarding the Sabbath starting with Genesis 2, put every scripture together and learn about a Sabbath. Also, when man uses the rest we have in Christ as wiping out all other scripture, saying that is the rest spoken of in Genesis 2 when God created the special day, they are not truly listening to the Lord.
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I cannot find a perfect church because when I would walk in it wouldn't be perfect any longer. I attend a Presbyterian church. We meet on Sunday. I would meet on Saturday but there is no church in my area that meets on this day. The pastor of this church that my wife and I go to preaches straight from the Bible. He's a Scotsman and truly lead by the Holy Spirit.
 
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1still_waters said:
Will the things I do on Sabbath, look different than the things I do on non-Sabbath days?
If yes, then you've just introduced a physical component to observing Sabbath, which means to a certain extent there is ritual.
Also if yes, that cancels out any claims that this is only about spiritual understanding.
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If you take communion you are involved with ritual. Jesus said to do this to remember Him. Is communion to you spiritual or just works of the flesh without faith?
 
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It pointed to God's rest, and our rest in Jesus from saving ourselves.
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Could you provide scripture thanks
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Hebrew 4:9-11
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as *God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

*That was the 7th day according to Genesis
 
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just-me said:
If you take communion you are involved with ritual. Jesus said to do this to remember Him. Is communion to you spiritual or just works of the flesh without faith?
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The Lord's Supper is the NT sacrificial meal, akin to the OT meal of the fellowship sacrifice,
wherein believers participate (1Co 10:16) in the benefits of Christ's death by taking them into themselves, as they participated in the benefits of the fellowship sacrifice by eating of the sacrifice.

It's not a ritual, it's a spiritual reality.
 
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Elin said:
It pointed to God's rest, and our rest in Jesus from saving ourselves.
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What is the rest that Jesus did not give thanks
[h=1]Hebrews 4:8-9King James Version (KJV)[/h]8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
 
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Elin said:
The Lord's Supper is the NT sacrificial meal, akin to the OT meal of the fellowship sacrifice,
wherein believers participate (1Co 10:16) in the benefits of Christ's death by taking them into themselves, as they participated in the benefits of the fellowship sacrifice by eating of the sacrifice.

It's not a ritual, it's a spiritual reality.
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Being baptized in water is a ritual. Lighting a candle during the church service is a ritual. Taking the offering is a ritual. Singing the Doxology is a ritual. Religious rituals have never ceased. They're all over in every church.
 
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