The "Impossible" Gospel

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That's like a Jehovah Witness giving me a proof passge that Jesus is a man and saying ''you can't have it both ways'. Another fallacy.
Often with God it is not either/or, but it's both.
Your view of God as an unjust Judge is so distorted its pathetic.
Where "just" is according to your foolish human reasoning, rather than the whole counsel of God.
 
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Jesus was among sinners and had to "bear" all the problems that go with it. To say that God holds anyone guilty for the sins of others transgresses scripture.
Previously addressed. . .multiple times.
 
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no matter how HOT any contention gets,
we are RESPONSIBLE for our mouths
and what comes out of them =
and the fruit of the lips bears witness
to Whom we serve, whether of wickedness or righteousness.

we cannot let someone else's idea or theology
control our emotions to the point of being as RUDE
as they are, lest we be exactly LIKE them.
 
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see this post cause I'm still waiting for an answer.
Well you can continue past 4 to chapters 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 etc. These are all types of offerings for different types of sins. Some are specific for the priests, chieftains, all of Israel or individuals. Some are bulls, goats, sheep and turtle doves. It depends on the type of sin and the type of offering. But Yom Kippur was an offering for all of Israel, and usually Christians will compare the death of Jesus to this because of the option given during Jesus trial to set one of the criminals free. The other criminal was set free and Jesus was killed. That is why I was sure you must be referring to Yom Kippur/Day of Atonement. Especially since you say that Jesus death was for all people.
I appreciate your comments but I didn't say what you quoted me as saying. I just asked a question about the laying on of hands to the head of a sacrifice. see this post first
 
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You absolutely have broken to word of God:

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die." Eze.18:20

Jesus did not sin.

"The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son:"

God doesn't hold people responsible for the sins of other people.


" the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him,"

Jesus was righteous

"and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."

Jesus was not wicked.

You're breaking scripture. Explain it.
Your setting the Sriptures against themselves only proves you do not correctly understand them,
for the word of God does not contradict itself.
 

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well...i believe the Bible makes it pretty clear Jesus died for all our sins.

but, indeed, it wasn't the Law that was ended...it was the Mosaic Covenant.
i know we won't agree on that, and that's fine.
just telling you what i think. :)
Jesus did not die for wilfull sins, only ignorant sins.

Jesus did not pray for all the world to be saved.

Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.


Mal_3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Heb_13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Joh_19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Joh 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life. (1Co 10:17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. )
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.


That last word there "world" is Greek=kosmos Strong's#G2889

Now using the LXX+ the following OT scriptures using #G2889=kosmos
- gives us a whole new perspective from our Western-Greco view.

(Gen 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

(Exo 33:5) For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee.

(Exo 33:6) And the children of Israel stripped themselves of their ornaments by the mount Horeb.

(Deu 4:19) And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

(Deu 17:3) And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;

(2Sa 1:24) Ye daughters of Israel, weep over Saul, who clothed you in scarlet, with other delights, who put on ornaments of gold upon your apparel.

(Pro 17:6) Children's children are the crown of old men; and the glory of children are their fathers.

(Pro 20:29) The glory of young men is their strength: and the beauty of old men is the gray head.

(Pro 28:17) A man that doeth violence to the blood of any person shall flee to the pit; let no man stay him.

(Pro 29:17) Correct thy son, and he shall give thee rest; yea, he shall give delight unto thy soul.

(Isa 3:18) In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,

(Isa 3:19) The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,

(Isa 3:20) The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,

(Isa 3:24) And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.

(Isa 3:26) And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground.

(Isa 13:10) For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

(Isa 24:21) And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

(Isa 40:26) Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

(Isa 49:18) Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth.

(Isa 61:10) I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

(Jer 2:32) Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.

(Jer 4:30) And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.

(Eze 7:20) As for the beauty of his ornament, he set it in majesty: but they made the images of their abominations and of their detestable things therein: therefore have I set it far from them.

(Eze 16:11) I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

(Eze 23:40) And furthermore, that ye have sent for men to come from far, unto whom a messenger was sent; and, lo, they came: for whom thou didst wash thyself, paintedst thy eyes, and deckedst thyself with ornaments,

(Nah 2:9) Take ye the spoil of silver, take the spoil of gold: for there is none end of the store and glory out of all the pleasant furniture.


G2889
κόσμος
kosmos
kos'-mos
Probably from the base of G2865; orderly arrangement, that is, decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally]): - adorning, world.

LXX related word(s)
H134 eden
H3627 keli
H4639 maaseh
H5716 maadannim
H5716 adi
H6635 tsava
H8499 tekhunah
H8597 tipheret
 

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Lots were cast and one would be marked for the Lord and the other marked for Azazel. The one marked for the Lord would be slaughtered for the peoples sin offering to the Lord and the blood would be brought behind the curtain and would be sprinkled over the holy of holies. After the Tent of the Meeting, the alter, the Shrine and all the Israelites have been consecrated the High Priest will go the the live goat (Azazel) and lay both his hands upon the head of the goat and confess over it all the iniquities and transgressions of the Israelites. The sins are put on the head of the goat and this goat is sent off to the wilderness through a designated man. In this way the goat shall carry on it all their iniquities to an inaccessible region and the goat shall be set free in the wilderness.


yes this speaks of day of atonement

Lot chosen was Christ, the lamb slain, taken to heaven

when he comes back, start of millinium,



Christ puts the origanal sin back on the devil(Azazel)

and sends the devil into the wilderness for a thousand years.


this will be at-one-ment with God without devils influance.


this does not mean we will not be held accountable for our actions
 
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Here's the difference between what you post and what I post. I've answered what "bearing sins" means without violating the scriptures.
Previously addressed. . .multiple times.
 
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For most people, accepting the entire word of God is just out, it is so much fun to understand a part of scripture so you can Lord it over others with superiority in the knowledge.
Agreed. . . .
 
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There's no fluff in being able to answer how Jesus can pay for sins when scripture says God doesn't make anyone pay for the sins of others. Why can't you answer this? Wake up! Same thing that happened to the Jews is happening to us through false teaching.


No doubt as they were blind and ignorant to the truth while teaching the traditions of men over the word of God such as yourself!....The scriptures are clear, and you fail to recognize what is actually being taught concerning Jesus and the fact that he took our sins upon himself.....change your name to fluff ball for sure HAHA!
 
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No offense, but your first statement is as far as I need to go....

Did Adam willfully eat of the fruit?
Did Cain willfully kill Abel?
Did Peter willfully deny the Lord three times?

Christ died for the WHOLE ORDER of things, would have ALL men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth and the grace of God that brings salvation has shined down upon ALL mankind.

Really, do you even read and actually study or do you regurgitate something that you have swallowed hook, line and sinker like your buddy fluff ball?

Jesus did not die for wilfull sins, only ignorant sins.
 
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Wrong. . .

God holds all men responsible for the sin of Adam (Ro 5:12-21), and

Jesus held the Pharisees responsible for all the murders of the prophets
from the beginning of the world (Lk 11:48-51).
Amazing how verse after verse teaches the truth about sin and how the sins of the world were laid upon Christ and then nailed to the cross with him.........!
 
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No offense, but your first statement is as far as I need to go....

Did Adam willfully eat of the fruit?
Did Cain willfully kill Abel?
Did Peter willfully deny the Lord three times?

Christ died for the WHOLE ORDER of things, would have ALL men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth and the grace of God that brings salvation has shined down upon ALL mankind.

Really, do you even read and actually study or do you regurgitate something that you have swallowed hook, line and sinker like your buddy fluff ball?
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
 
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Isaiah 53:4-6King James Version (KJV)

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and theLord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
These are awesome verses that teach the truth and yet (fluff ball) will reject these verses and argue some moot point while denying all the verses that teach contrary to his tainted view.......!
 
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Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Keeping in mind that the willful sin here is unbelief through returning to Judaism,
by which they would be rejecting the sacrifice of Christ and
there is no other sacrifice by which their sin may be forgiven, so the would die in their sin.
 

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Keeping in mind that the willful sin here is unbelief through returning to Judaism,
by which they would be rejecting the sacrifice of Christ and
there is no other sacrifice by which their sin may be forgiven, so the would die in their sin.
why such hatred for the ones God gave his oracles to?

you sound like the romans and the church(unholy roman empire)

and had them killed for Judaism and following the Sabbath.
 
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why such hatred for the ones God gave his oracles to?

you sound like the romans and the church(unholy roman empire)

and had them killed for Judaism and following the Sabbath.
Straw man. . .

Your methodology betrays your religious persuasion, more suitable for the synagogue.
 

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Straw man. . .

Your methodology betrays your religious persuasion, more suitable for the synagogue.
when in rome do as the romans do, i think not.

give to cesar whats cesars, give to God whats Gods.


On 7 March 321, Constantine I, Rome's first Christian Emperor (see Constantine I and Christianity),
decreed that Sunday would be observed as the Roman day of rest:[5]

On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest,