The "Impossible" Gospel

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No mention of the gospel and salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ?
That's a given. Do you need to see it in print in all of my posts? Check out my signature.
 

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That's a given. Do you need to see it in print in all of my posts? Check out my signature.
I also believe through faith in Jesus Christ,

but i also believe there is still other promises still given.


Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;

He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.

Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
 
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Well the same wrote...

When I go to do good I find a law that SIN IS PRESENT WITH ME
HE also said he was the number 1 chief sinner

and John wrote...

If we say that we HAVE NO SIN

so..reject he premise that most sins are choice and by your definition all will be lost..

DID DAVID CHOOSE to take BATHSHEBA, DID DAVID CHOOSE to send URIAH to the front line and then have the soldiers retire from him so he would be killed MURDER?

YET DAVID'S SIN WAS FORGIVEN

Your theology lacks credence and truthfulness!

I will add that DAVID knew what he had done was SIN and when he heard the story from NATHAN knew the punishment was DEATH!
Not until Nathan defined the truth of the law to David did he understand his infraction. David then came to the knowledge of the truth.

Exodus 22:1-4
1 If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.
2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die , there shall no blood be shed for him.
3 If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution ; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.
4 If the theft be certainly found in his hand alive, whether it be ox, or ass, or sheep; he shall restore double.

2 Samuel 12:1-7
1 And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.
2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:
3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.
4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.
5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:
6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.
7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

"wilfully" is the key word to define a clear cut rebellion.
 
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Elin, I thought you knew Paul backwards and forward. ..a little disappointed here, but oh well.

Romans 11:1 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

18. Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

and also Paul said..
1 Corinthians 13
1. I may speak in the tongues of men, even angels;
but if I lack love, I have become merely
blaring brass or a cymbal clanging.
Read the rest of the story in Ro 9:27, 11:4-5. . .and note the "if" in Ro 11:23.
 
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I also believe through faith in Jesus Christ,

but i also believe there is still other promises still given.
All the promises of God are yea and Amen in Christ (2Co 1:20).

There are no promises of God to the people of God outside of Christ.
 
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Not until Nathan defined the truth of the law to David did he understand his infraction. David then came to the knowledge of the truth.

Exodus 22:1-4
1 If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.
2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die , there shall no blood be shed for him.
3 If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution ; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.
4 If the theft be certainly found in his hand alive, whether it be ox, or ass, or sheep; he shall restore double.

2 Samuel 12:1-7
1 And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.
2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:
3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.
4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.
5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:
6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.
7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

"wilfully" is the key word to define a clear cut rebellion.
The only such willful sin in the NT is unbelief.
 
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Read the rest of the story in Ro 9:27, 11:4-5. . .and note the "if" in Ro 11:23.
Romans 9:27-28
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved :
28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

Isaiah 10:22-23
22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
23 For the Lord GOD of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.

Romans 11:1-6
1 I say then , Hath God cast away his people? God forbid . For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

1 Samuel 12:22 For the LORD will not forsake his people for his great name's sake: because it hath pleased the LORD to make you his people. "if"

1 Kings 19:10, 14, and 18
10 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left ; and they seek my life, to take it away.
14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

Romans 11:23 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

It doesn't appear that God has changed after the fulfillment of Christ. And you say........
The only such willful sin in the NT is unbelief.
Seems the same was also in the OT.
 
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All the promises of God are yea and Amen in Christ (2Co 1:20).

There are no promises of God to the people of God outside of Christ.

20For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen,

unto the glory of God by us.


so you say this verse does away with promises?
where does it say that.

so God can flood the earth now, you set that covenent aside,
this covenent is not for all man and only Gods people?
how do you choise to keep or do away with one of his covenents

He hath remembered his covenant for ever,
the word which he commanded to a thousand generations


God promised to a thousand generations are over and void?

would that make God a lier if these verses are thrown out

 

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God's law 10 Commandments has always been valid and not just given to the Jews. At the end of Creation God's sign and seal and signature at the end of His creation was the 7th Day Sabbath that He blessed, hallowed, sanctified and made as a sign between us and Him.

Adam and Eve knew they had broken God's law as they sinned against it by coveting something they should not have which was fruit off a tree told not to eat from as they hid from God when He came looking for them in the garden. Then they tried to place blame on anyone and anything rather than own up to their sin. They also showed they loved themselves more than God when they disobeyed.

Cain knew he had broken God's law not only with the wrong sacrifice of just vegetables, fruits and grains, but by murdering his brother because Cain knew he should not murder his brother.

Many examples of the 10 commandments were being broken before they were ever given on Mt. Sinai, but no one wants to pay attention to the fact that God's law has been in effect forever and will continue to be obeyed throughout eternity.

Jesus has always and only been our means of salvation and reconciling ourselves to God, but God has a law that runs His government and I will never understand why people fight against and want to disregard those laws. Jesus is our Savior, but even He asked us to obey is better than sacrifice. When we love Him we want to do what is asked of us and the only way to do it is with the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit, Jesus living in us to will and to do His good pleasure. I don't understand why people don't get this....

We are so blinded by sin - God please help us.
 
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Elin said:
All the promises of God are yea and Amen in Christ (2Co 1:20).

There are no promises of God to the people of God outside of Christ
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20For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen,

unto the glory of God by us.


so you say this verse does away with promises?
where does it say that.
I didn't write 2Co 1:20.

Is that how you read it?

That would explain a lot about your misunderstanding of Scripture.

 
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God's law 10 Commandments has always been valid and not just given to the Jews. At the end of Creation God's sign and seal and signature at the end of His creation was the 7th Day Sabbath that He blessed, hallowed, sanctified and made as a sign between us and Him.

Adam and Eve knew they had broken God's law as they sinned against it by coveting something they should not have which was fruit off a tree told not to eat from as they hid from God when He came looking for them in the garden. Then they tried to place blame on anyone and anything rather than own up to their sin. They also showed they loved themselves more than God when they disobeyed.

Cain knew he had broken God's law not only with the wrong sacrifice of just vegetables, fruits and grains, but by murdering his brother because Cain knew he should not murder his brother.

Many examples of
the 10 commandments were being broken before they were ever given on Mt. Sinai, but no one wants to pay attention to the fact that God's law has been in effect forever
Actually, sin is not taken into account where there is no law,
as there was none from Adam to Moses (Ro 5:13-14).
 
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prove-all

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I didn't write 2Co 1:20.

Is that how you read it?

That would explain a lot about your misunderstanding of Scripture.

yes i know you did not write 2Co 1:20

but you posted it as proof Gods promise where void but
only the new covenent and not any older promises.

i read it but not see where it viods anything

unto the glory of God by us

God promised to a thousand generations are over and void?

would that make God a lier if these verses are thrown out

im good at math and a thousand generations is not over yet
 

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Actually, sin is not taken into account where there is no law,
as there was none from Adam to Moses (Ro 5:13-14).
The sad part is that you really believe this...like I said God help us.
 
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Elin said:
Read the rest of the story in Ro 9:27, 11:4-5.

The only such willful sin in the NT is unbelief
.
Seems the same was also in the OT.
Actually, other things, such as gathering wood on the Sabbath, were willful sins in the OT.
 
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Elin said:
"All of God's promises are yea and Amen in Christ." (2Co 1:20)

I didn't write 2Co 1:20.

Is that how you read it?

That would explain a lot about your misunderstanding of Scripture.
yes i know you did not write 2Co 1:20

but you posted it as proof Gods promise where void
Your false theology causes you to read stuff into texts that is not there.

The text states what it means and means what it states.

Read the text carefully, paying attention to the word "all."

"All" does not void God's promises, and "in Christ" tells how they are fulfilled.
 
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Your false theology causes you to read stuff into texts that is not there.

The text states what it means and means what it states.

Read the text carefully, paying attention to the word "all."



"All" does not void God's promises, and "in Christ" tells how they are fulfilled.
Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God,
which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him
and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

im still not sure how you say Jesus done away with promise above
 
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Elin said:
Actually, sin is not taken into account where there is no law,
as there was none from Adam to Moses.

"before the Law was given, sin was in the world (as proven by the death of all men).
But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses,
even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam,
who was our pattern to come.
(Ro 5:13-14).
The sad part is that you really believe this...like I said God help us.
Yes, I believe every word in the Bible.

And I'm thinkin' that is not where the sad part lies.
 

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Yes, I believe every word in the Bible.

And I'm thinkin' that is not where the sad part lies.
Are you forgetting that God actually walked and talked with Adam and Eve? They had a close relationship connection that we can't even dream about and you really think that Adam and Eve would not know what the rules of God's Kingdom was? Not everything has to be written on paper. They knew between right and wrong and they knew they had broken God's law.
 
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Elin said:
Your false theology causes you to read stuff into texts that is not there.

The text states what it means and means what it states.

Read the text carefully, paying attention to the word "all."

"All" does not void God's promises, and "in Christ" tells how they are fulfilled.
Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God,
which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him
and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

im still not sure how you say Jesus done away with promise above
You really have a hard time comprehending text.

Read again my statement above.
 
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